Paul camp cries fraud over Nevada Caucus results

The state of Nevada went from among the more conservative states (outside of social policy) to one that makes California look positively right wing. They elected Harry Reid to another term, for the love of all that's Holy. What more need be said?

I was out in Vegas last year on family business and that place is little of what I recall about a special place to be. Whatever magic Nevada had, it's fresh out. I'm absolutely shocked that anyone believed Paul had a whisper's chance on a casino floor. Or...folks just haven't been to Nevada in years. It isn't the place it used to be, and this outcome was expected to my thinking.

Welcome to the new America. From Sea to polluted Sea.

reply to post by seagull


It seems like the Caucus system is antiquated, but how much would it cost for the states like Iowa and Nevada to switch to a more foolproof system? If they required use of electronic voting systems in every state, it seems like there would be less risk of human error or fraud. The cash-strapped states probably don't want to devote more money to the election system but does anyone know the estimated costs?

and yes... I know that any system can be defrauded. Just seems that there could be another system out there that doesn't break the bank.

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reply to post by Deja`Vu
Thank you for the wonderful videos...

I fear for our country if he doesn't get the nomination.Unfortunately "they" will go to any length to lie and cheat to keep Dr. Paul from being the nominee.Hopefully he will have a back up plan.

I've been around for a good while and have never seen the outpouring of total support and love for a candidate like Ron Paul .This is what politics should be like with all candidates,but sadly there are too many that become politicians for their own personal gain,and greed.

to say this will be an interesting election year is an understatement...Ron Paul 2012!!!

Isnt it funny that the only live precinct shown has Ron Paul winning by a landslide, but in all the others that were not shown he was a distant second and it was Romney who won by a landslide. Perhaps it was just bad luck on the media. What are the odds of only precinct shown be that skewed. Hmmm.


Oh well must be true, because America would never be involved in voting fraud.

Originally posted by The Sword
reply to post by Screwed

 

What?

They're not allowed to have an opinion on Ron Paul? Especially if it's an unpopular opinion?

This isn't the Ron Paul campaign website.

This is ABOVETOPSECRET.

Deal with it.

Weak minds prevail.
Can you show me where I said ANYONE was not entitled to an opinion?????
Hint: the answer is no.
I think I'll be able to "deal with it" as you put it.
It'll be real hard but I'll try to "deal with" people having opinions that I don't agree with.

What I will not "deal with" is people who express those SAME opinions in virtually EVERY THREAD about a political candidate. It has a name. It is called "political trolling" and it is a very real threat here on ATS if you haven't noticed. There are very REAL people getting paid very REAL money to do nothing but bombard every thread that can be found with negative hits against a particular candidate. If you think this is just a conspiracy then you are either blind,ignorant, or both.

When someone is not just content in letting their voice be heard but,rather has an obvious vested interest in making sure any particular candidate and his followers gets marginalized and sweeping generalizations are made so that any attempt at a rational, cohesive, and productive discussion gets effectively shut down and reduced to people telling other people to just..."get over it" or worse yet, name calling, then I will call it as I see it.

but thanks for your advise.
I am going to go reflect on this and try my best to "get over it".

reply to post by Screwed


You're being wildly paranoid if you think people are being paid to come onto ATS and trash Ron Paul.

reply to post by Screwed


So what you're saying is that all those Ron Paull supporters that post in every thread about the primaries and that don't miss a shot to insult Romney, Gingrich, or Santorum are getting paid?

Originally posted by Screwed

Originally posted by The Sword
reply to post by Screwed

 

What?

They're not allowed to have an opinion on Ron Paul? Especially if it's an unpopular opinion?

This isn't the Ron Paul campaign website.

This is ABOVETOPSECRET.

Deal with it.

Weak minds prevail.
Can you show me where I said ANYONE was not entitled to an opinion?????
Hint: the answer is no.
I think I'll be able to "deal with it" as you put it.
It'll be real hard but I'll try to "deal with" people having opinions that I don't agree with.

What I will not "deal with" is people who express those SAME opinions in virtually EVERY THREAD about a political candidate. It has a name. It is called "political trolling" and it is a very real threat here on ATS if you haven't noticed. There are very REAL people getting paid very REAL money to do nothing but bombard every thread that can be found with negative hits against a particular candidate. If you think this is just a conspiracy then you are either blind,ignorant, or both.

When someone is not just content in letting their voice be heard but,rather has an obvious vested interest in making sure any particular candidate and his followers gets marginalized and sweeping generalizations are made so that any attempt at a rational, cohesive, and productive discussion gets effectively shut down and reduced to people telling other people to just..."get over it" or worse yet, name calling, then I will call it as I see it.

but thanks for your advise.
I am going to go reflect on this and try my best to "get over it".

The thing is the never ending Rob Paul threads pretty much ask for it. What other canidate do we have shoved down our throats here at ATS 24/7? Its really damn annoying and if people think that others will just sit by when a small group anoints a new messiah and then creates a hundred threads about him then they are sadly mistaken. When Romney lost to Newt did we see massive threads calling fraud? No. In fact it appears the only time we have to hear claims of fraud is when Paul finishes in the back again. It would be one thing if polls said something different but, he ends up doing about as well as expected. When people keep pushing a guy, then people are going to push back.

Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
Well, I see a lot of people have stopped by just to comment on me commenting....but I have not seen anyone provide concrete proof of any voter fraud.

I think it's pretty self-evident: any voting system controlled by the establishment, Ron Paul does not win. Any voting system not controlled by the establishment he wins in a landslide. How do you explain the discrepancy?

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It's simple. All of these "non-establishment" polls are online polls. That means that not only will you be getting eligible voters, but also those who are too young and those who are not US citizens. Throw in the fact that there are more youth on the internet (which is the only age demographic Paul does well with) than any other age demographic and that's where you're getting these poll results from. In truth however this is only a very small portion of voting population and one which tends not to vote in "establishment" elections.

Vote fraud does exist. Here is some "concrete" proof for the outkasts of the thread.

Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
reply to post by eXia7

 

Can you show me proof of it NOT happening? You know with the whole secret ballot counting and what not? Do you have logs of these secret counts?

No, I can not prove a negative...sorry.

I am not the one making a claim here...Ron Paul supporters are claiming fraud...I'm just asking for the proof of this claim.

Do you understand that it isn't possible for one to show proof of something not happening? Because not being able to prove something didn't happen doesn't mean that it is in fact happening.

It's been how long since two planes caused THREE buildings to collapse?

You want proof for things that are intentionally covered up. You will not get your proof.
You must use your heart, and not your head. If you actually pay attention, you will see the conspiracy is all around you.

reply to post by imawlinn


Yes, voter fraud is possible...doesn't mean that everytime the candidate you support loses it is caused by voter fraud. Sometimes the candidate you love just isn't as popular as you think they are.

So until you can prove voter fraud in this specific case...your video is pretty meaningless.

reply to post by OutKast Searcher

So until you can prove voter fraud in this specific case

We can't prove anything if votes are counted in secret. Its basically meaningless since they like to hide the truth from us...Just continue feeding off the poison the MSM feeds you Outkast.

Originally posted by KonquestAbySS
reply to post by OutKast Searcher

 

So until you can prove voter fraud in this specific case

We can't prove anything if votes are counted in secret. Its basically meaningless since they like to hide the truth from us...Just continue feeding off the poison the MSM feeds you Outkast.

Then if you can't prove it...don't make the claim.

Making claims without proof is just simply crying and looking for excuses.

Show me proof of voter fraud in this caucus and I will accept it...or just take the loss like a grown up and move on.

They all agreed to the vote count method before the election, that includes Ron Paul officials.

Crying won't make the losses go away, but they will keep coming State after State.

Can't we get the ballots by the freedom of information act? Or the people in the remaining states demand that observers be watching the count.

Originally posted by Xcalibur254
reply to post by Screwed

 

So what you're saying is that all those Ron Paull supporters that post in every thread about the primaries and that don't miss a shot to insult Romney, Gingrich, or Santorum are getting paid?

If that is what you heard me say then so be it.
This is like trying to have a debate with my wife.
You are hearing what you want/need to hear based on your predjudices and taking an example to an extreme in order to marginalize my ideas. This tactic will work on most but, not me.

Are there paid trolls here on ATS?
You are a fool if you honestly believe that there aren't.
The easy way to get this unfortunate reality to disappear is to yet again use your marginalization tactics as well
ridicule and sarcasm. I'll be expecting this.
I accept this idea as fact and one of MY personal goals here on ATS is to find them and expose them or at the very least draw attention to thei presence by raising awareness of their presence.

reply to post by Bilder

It's tough accepting that your in the minority with your beliefs...yeah Ron Paul may be the better candidate but you need to accept that not everyone agrees with you. And you can't cry fraud every time he loses. You don't see that from Santorum supporters.

While I do support Newt I don't actually like -any- of the candidates. I would fully support Ron Paul if he just changed his foreign policy.

BTW I noticed in the s.car debate. Ron Paul destroyed the other candidates in the real-time polls. But Fox barely mentioned it, didn't seem fair to me.