Paul camp cries fraud over Nevada Caucus results

the single moment vote fraud is proven

the people of this nation need to b urn the controlling establishment to the ground and start over

reply to post by Wookiep

Whatever reason they wanted to give for turning down voters was not only against the constitution but also against those voters civil rights!

Ummm...no. This is not a government election...it is a party event. It is the same as a club having a vote on who should lead the club. The parties aren't required to have these primaries/caucuses...they do it to give their members a voice. That is why some of them are non-binding and most are done with the informal process of writing down someones name.

But it is not against the Constitution and it isn't against any civil rights...if they wanted to the GOP could say they are only allowing people over 50 to vote in these primaries/caucuses and the only thing the would face is backlash from members.

The GOP can't discriminate because of someones religion, that's nonsense! They were forcing people to sign something in order to vote and LIE about their religion.

They didn't...everyone had a chance to vote at their own regularly scheduled caucus site. Orthodox Jews and Seventh Day Adventists couldn't participate until after sunset...so the GOP created this special caucus for those people only.

It was the Ron Paul supporters that screwed it up and decided to crash it.

The Paul supporters didn't buy it, and refused to lie by signing it. Lazy huh? I cannot fathom how you could defend this completely crazy idea. Don't EVER ask why this country is in complete turmoil and collapse when it happens, because we're witnessing it right now and people like you are defending it.

What we are witnessing are Ron Paul supporters too lazy, too stupid, or too uninformed to make it to their regular caucus. And we are witnessing the Ron Paul campaign giving out false information to their supporters telling them they could go to this caucus if they missed their other caucuse for any reason.

reply to post by abovesecret
Voter Fraud probably proven in Truman vs Dewey but in recent times I would point to Bush VS Gore Florida hanging chad syndrom. Either way it probably wouldnt have mattered.

reply to post by OutKast Searcher
Nice. "Are we witnessing the laziness of the Ron Paul youth?" But at the same time seeing the most youth at ANY of the speeches of any other Candidate?? The percentage is the key. It looks like the same ol from what I see if even though he has the young vote not many of them are turning out so the percentage is higher. Need to talk to the older folk who actually go out and vote.

Derp...where did I come from. Dr. President Ron Paul since 2003.

Originally posted by Wookiep
Whatever reason they wanted to give for turning down voters was not only against the constitution but also against those voters civil rights! The GOP can't discriminate because of someones religion, that's nonsense!

Is this the misinformation and uneducated norm for Ron Paul supporters? I don't want to paint a broad brush here but obviously you do not understand what a Party Caucus is -- and that it is in no way affiliated a Government; local/State/Federal.

A caucus is held by a particular party to gain an understanding of what that particular State or local area voters of said party desire in terms of their leadership -- in this case, who should carry the Republican ticket into the Nevada State Primaries and ultimately onto the General Election.

They are not bound by any State or Federal election laws and only by their own Party's By-Laws. As Outcast just stated -- they could say only people who registered to be a Republican between 1947-1948 that have grey hair and know the words to Oklahoma! can attend. Of course such restrictions would alienate their party base.

The caucus did nothing unconstitutional nor violated anyone persons "civil-liberties".

Don't EVER ask why this country is in complete turmoil and collapse when it happens, because we're witnessing it right now and people like you are defending it.

I think people like myself and Outkast do need to ask; if you are any indication of electorate of any given State -- with an anemic and dismal understanding of how elections work -- I think it is only fair to question and then address it.

reply to post by ownbestenemy
Voter fraud doesnt have to be proven to exist.

And vise versa...so where do we stand?? Romney, Newt, Obama....lol...im waiting.

Originally posted by hoochymama
reply to post by ownbestenemy

 

Voter fraud doesnt have to be proven to exist.

And vise versa...so where do we stand?? Romney, Newt, Obama....lol...im waiting.

edit on 7-2-2012 by hoochymama because: (no reason given)

The burden of proof lies with the Ron Paul supporters that are up in arms -- because their candidate failed to carry a state in which was one of his best hopes -- decided to take up the "voter fraud" charge. Instead of retooling, readjusting their strategy and making for bigger pushes in the remaining contests.

That would have been a better message -- but no...."Our guy lost! Voter Fraud!"

Is this to say that shenanigans haven't taken place? Not at all, but this manufactured 'outcry' is getting about as old as Congressman Paul's manufactured base that claims 'everyone' wants Mr. Paul.

reply to post by ownbestenemy
LOL..."the burden of proof". Sound like a Bush supporter.

Originally posted by hoochymama
reply to post by ownbestenemy

 

LOL..."the burden of proof". Sound like a Bush supporter.

And this is where you and I depart from even maintaining a discussion. Critically thinking can be tough I know and does require a bit more than "LOL" but I have faith that in time, you will eventually get the hang of it.

Care to address what I wrote? Or are you going to stick to childish remark and "emoticon" to make yourself feel better about the fact that Dr. Paul has not garnered the support that the Internet claims he has?

Hell, the "youth" that supposedly is for him cannot even get up to go to the Caucus in Nevada -- the very event that could have propelled him to a nice sizable delegate chunk. Instead they stayed home and moved onto complaining how they have no voice and they need more democracy.

The very nature of it sounds like a Monty Python skit -- yet it is reality.

reply to post by ownbestenemy
So you who knows all the truth please enlighten me. Again, regardless of who is for Dr. President Ron Paul and who is against him. The question still remains, Romney, Newt, Obama. LOL. No Voter Fraud Here because it seems your the majority. STUPID!!!!! Thats why I use LOL.

Oh yah, and your right about the youth vote even though I touched on the youth vote in a previous post but god forbid you read that.

And just to be fair, in your own Definition of the Caucus the whole point in Dr. President Paul going to these particular states is to gain Caucus votes so he can show the Establishment that the Party is changing. If the Caucus is not fair than what?? Oh ya, we need to show proof. LOL.

Unfortunately I think it's much easier to pretend to be a Ron Paul supporter online than it is to go out and actually vote! A shame in my opinion as people still don't realize how important this election is.

Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
reply to post by Bilder

 

From your own source.

Even the Ron Paul supporters will concede they have no concrete proof of actual election fraud regarding the tabulation of the Nevada Caucus ballots.

So how about they stop crying until they have some concrete proof???

Paul lost...again...deal with it.

Is your post a joke? A bit of veiled sarcasm? Or are you feeling intellectaully challenged this evening? Enough said. I'm sure others further down this thread have amply pointed out the glaring flaw in your illogic..

Originally posted by Grimpachi

Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
reply to post by Bilder

 

From your own source.

Even the Ron Paul supporters will concede they have no concrete proof of actual election fraud regarding the tabulation of the Nevada Caucus ballots.

So how about they stop crying until they have some concrete proof???

Paul lost...again...deal with it.

* * * when there are accusations of voter fraud then I open it an there is no proof. Outcast just call it as you see it.

edit on 6-2-2012 by Grimpachi because: (no reason given)

Counting votes in secret allows those who count the vote to determine the outcome of the election. Only a fool would trust a political group with an agenda to count ballots in secret. Josef Stalin (look him up in Wikipedia if you don't know who he is) is reputed to have said the following:

"Those who cast the votes decide nothing. Those who count the votes decide everything."

So, even way back in Stalin's days before most ATS members were born, it was well known how to commit election fraud. Nothing like learning from history how to get your guy elected/nominated.

I continue to be amazed by the Ron Paul naysayes who assert that they see nothing suspect in secret counting of ballots by politcal organizations with an agenda, and then openly display their lack of intellect by proclaiming that since no independent observers witnessed the fraud and as a result have no "concrete proof" of the fraud (because no independent witnesses were allowed to observe the ballot counting), there was no fraud, or since no honest person saw or heard the tree fall in the forest it didn't fall and if it did fall it didn't make a sound.

Frankly, any candidate who is aware of those kinds of activities occurring and nonetheless claims the benefit of that brand of misconduct is not fit to hold public office but, rather, should be in prison.

Originally posted by hoochymama
reply to post by ownbestenemy

 

So you who knows all the truth please enlighten me. Again, regardless of who is for Dr. President Ron Paul and who is against him. The question still remains, Romney, Newt, Obama. LOL. No Voter Fraud Here because it seems your the majority. STUPID!!!!! Thats why I use LOL.

Cute....really. First the Dr. "president" Paul reference but then the constant "LOL" comments. Really -- a gem to cherish. So anyone who isn't for the estimated Dr. Paul is instantly "LOL"ed by those who blindly and ignorantly follow his path. Glorious!

Oh yah, and your right about the youth vote even though I touched on the youth vote in a previous post but god forbid you read that.

If I missed your thesis on this, I am sorry. I too have produced a thread dedicated on the fact that not only the youth...but the "masses" that are supposedly to follow the good Dr. to exist.

Originally posted by Xcalibur254
This is the problem every politician whose base is the youth vote faces. They don't vote. Every election the candidates spend tons of money on trying to convince the youth to vote and every time it fails.

Absolutely wrong. I don't know how old you are, but Bill Clinton won the presidency in a great part by doing what you claim has never been done. Remember "Rock the Vote"?

Obama did the same. Much of his support came from idealistic young people, many who had never voted before.

reply to post by dubiousone


Where are you getting that they counted the ballots in secret? Everything I read says they counted right there at the caucus with campaign staff of all candidates observing.

Please find me a source that says they counted ballots in secret without any campaign staff observing the counts.

reply to post by DrNotforhire


If you want evidence of the media and/or establishment shutting Dr. Paul out look no further than CNN, where he is continuously made out to be a mad man or shut out. Over Christmas I was watching CNN when an active duty military officer was being interviewed by a correspondent reporter on the Wolf Blitzer show....just as he began to express his support for Dr. Paul and talk about how the USA should NOT invade Iran, and how Israel can take care of themselves a funny thing happened...THE NEWS FEED CUT OUT! How convenient?

And then Anderson Cooper later suggests it isn't a conspiracy as many on the internet believe.

Common now, how blind are you people?!?!?!?!

Anakark

Originally posted by AntiNWO

Originally posted by Xcalibur254
This is the problem every politician whose base is the youth vote faces. They don't vote. Every election the candidates spend tons of money on trying to convince the youth to vote and every time it fails.

Absolutely wrong. I don't know how old you are, but Bill Clinton won the presidency in a great part by doing what you claim has never been done. Remember "Rock the Vote"?

Obama did the same. Much of his support came from idealistic young people, many who had never voted before.

You can't just make things up...look up the facts.

Youth voter turnout has always been low and pretty constant. Obama didn't really increase turnout, he dominated the youth vote, but it wasn't really "much" of his support. He drew from all age groups.

www.ropercenter.uconn.edu...
1984 Election....the 18-29 vote was 23%

www.ropercenter.uconn.edu...
1988 Election....the 18-29 vote was 20%

www.ropercenter.uconn.edu...
1992 Election....the 18 - 29 vote was 21%

www.ropercenter.uconn.edu...
1996 Election....the 18-29 vote was 17%

www.ropercenter.uconn.edu...
2000 Election....the 18-29 vote was 17%

www.ropercenter.uconn.edu...
2004 Election....the 18-29 vote was 17%

2008 Election....the youth vote was 18%

I really see no reason why people want to vote on other candidates than Paul.
Romney, Santorum,Gingrich they all proposed only minor changes in "system". But America needs cold shower, a fundamental change. We don't need more of the warmonger bull# from Romney,Santorum or Gingrich.
Yes for many people their bull# is appealing, because people believe that the country needs more of the "good old tradition", bringing country back to the roots, and they think these candidates can provide such policy.
But it's only populism. A good doctor is someone who tell you the harsh truth, not the one who tells that everything is fine. Some people just can't accept the truth as it's too distressing.

reply to post by ownbestenemy
Thats where you are wrong. No one is Blindly following anyone, I dont get your premise. As far as the voter fraud, which was your main point in this thread, there has been wide spread reports of Voter fraud for a long time in different elections whether for President, Congress, or the Senate. Again, what is your agenda and who do you support for President if anyone. Thanks.