Paul camp cries fraud over Nevada Caucus results

Originally posted by Xcalibur254
I have brought this up in a few other threads claiming voter fraud but have yet to really receive any kind of response. In fact the threads completely died after I posted. Just because Ron Paul has a strong presence on the internet doesn't mean it translates into the real world. There are many people on this site alone who are Ron Paul supporters, but are not from the US. We must also remember that the internet is still mainly the playground of the young. This means that Paul's strong base will most likely be composed of the youth vote. If you check the demographic data Paul's supporters are decidedly in the 18-24 age range. By contrast Romney pulls pretty much equally from everywhere, except the 18-24 demographic where he has almost no support. Now if we check the numbers of from Nevada we find that only 8% of the voters were from the 17-29 age range.

This is the problem every politician whose base is the youth vote faces. They don't vote. Every election the candidates spend tons of money on trying to convince the youth to vote and every time it fails. If a politician could actually get their younger voters out voting it would be a complete game changer, but it looks like not even Ron Paul is capable of doing that. There is no evidence of voter fraud. There is however evidence of Ron Paul's campaign relying on a demographic that has a long history of being apathetic when it comes to voting.

Couldn't have said it better myself, thank you.

reply to post by Screwed


What you were doing was accusing Outkast of being a paid shill because he comes on to every political thread and says the same thing. Ron Paul supporters do the same thing. So using your logic the Ron Paul supporters are also paid shills. Or are the only ones that are paid shills the ones that disagree with you?

Originally posted by Xcalibur254
reply to post by Screwed

 

What you were doing was accusing Outkast of being a paid shill because he comes on to every political thread and says the same thing. Ron Paul supporters do the same thing. So using your logic the Ron Paul supporters are also paid shills. Or are the only ones that are paid shills the ones that disagree with you?

If I'm supposed to be getting paid for this...I wish they would tell me where to send my invoice.

The fact is that Ron Paul supporters don't have any valid counter arguments against the facts I present...so it is easier for them to paint me as the "villian" and the "paid dis-info agent" than it is to actually try to argue their point.

The fact is there is no evidence of fraud, Paul's own campaign has said the results are legit. It's just that his supporters can't admit that they are a very small minority and that Ron Paul has very little chance of even winning a single state let alone the nomination.

reply to post by OutKast Searcher

In regards to the comment on human error, human error should not be a factor. When it should be scrutinized is when it takes place too many times to the detriment of a single candidate. All ballot counting should be conducted in full view of the participants as well. Though it is not proof positive; either of these points, with out question cast a shadow of doubt.

I think that in our society today we have a tendency to have to rationalize everything. I'm sorry, but Mitt Romney is a much better Candidate than Ron Paul. He is younger, more energetic, he doesn't get caught up in all the young people hype that Ron Paul does and he has more money and more support from big business, making him better and more influential on many fronts. Ron Paul's ideals are completely unrealistic and would lead us into a tyrannical socialistic society where freedom is a thing of the past. Eventually we will have to accept Ron Paul is not good for America, and that is the real reason no one is voting for him.

**DISCLAIMER**
Everything in this post as of now is unconfirmed. I will be searching for confirmation as time is available to me.

Well there are things coming out today which should clearly raise an eyebrow. I am seeing reports about ballot boxes being taken home. There is also a report of a man taking the ballots prior to counting into a gated community for 20 mins before returning with the results. Supposedly some of this was seen by a Channel 8 reporter. I am looking for the video and confirmation now.

I am seeing some postings on my facebook from one Caucus Chair who is describing the scene as "chaos" and that some precincts did not have anyone available to chair. In some cases people volunteered and "winged it".

There is a report that Nevada GOP chair, Amy Tarkanian resigned at midnight the night of the caucus.

Report of LA Times reporter being kicked out after being told no reports. Which is not true and she got her press pass from the GOP.

reports of voters being turned away in large groups.

Again, none of it is confirmed at this time, but it appears a lot of accusations are being made. There is one thing I found that I thought was very interesting. Apparently Newmax put out a report 2 days prior to the Caucus with the results of the Caucus. There are screen shots and youtube videos showing the original report and the date of the report being Thursday prior to the Caucus. However, you can now go to the same URL and see the same article, but the date has now been changed to Saturday... but its the exact same article.

Here is a Youtube video showing the article and you can clearly read it and see the date.


Now feel free to type in the URL you see in the video and that the video maker gives. You will see the same article, but now the date has been changed. The time stamp is still teh same 8:40pm. The article is still the same. The day and date are now changed from Thursday the 2nd to Saturday the 4th
Newsmax

Originally posted by Xcalibur254
reply to post by Screwed

 

What you were doing was accusing Outkast of being a paid shill because he comes on to every political thread and says the same thing.

You will of course be able to show me where I said this?
Hint:

the answer is no.

hadn't seen this reported other than some comments here. WOW

i can confirm i also watched the election results on CNN that nite and saw all the ron paul speeches by people there...and finally saw that black dude on CNN report that ron paul surprisingly WON by a huge amount

he showed no reaction...and the broadcast closed and went to break

my jaw dropped and i went to bed

Originally posted by FreedomXisntXFree
When counted out loud in public Ron wins by a landslide.

When counted behind closed doors he loses terribly.....

exactly

and for those who don't want to believe it...look at all the debates this time around and in 2008

the media literally censors or ignores him..

and we KNOW who owns the media.

do we really think they wouldn't be engaging in as much voting fraud as they could especially in caucuses with no light being shown on how the counting is being done, etc

mobile.nj.com...

this article says the paul camp is satisfied of the count. That means they dont see conspiracies around every corner for those who say they do.

I keep seeing, “Paul supporters crying voter fraud” when I have also seen those, admitedly not Paul supporters say the same things. Of coarse Mitt backers will deny fraud when it benefits their man! They know it's the only way their man can win.

Paul camp cries fraud at every election they lose.

reply to post by OutKast Searcher


Outkast searcher never misses a chance to slam Ron Paul supporters even though he claims to be tired of talking about them.

reply to post by ajay59


So then you should have no problem linking to the five or so threads that Romney supporters made claiming fraud when he lost to Gingrich in South Carolina.

The entire process is fixed and tweaked for the ignorant sheople. The masters of puppets already know who the next President of the United States is gonna be. They already know where the next war will be and who will start it. They had a hot dog over a bbq served by George W. Bush in his cooking apron up in Bohemian Grove. Trust me, I know. ~SheopleNation

reply to post by OutKast Searcher


I'm not sure why you are in this thread arguing with these results to begin with...?

The fact is, they held a mock caucus and the results from it were astronomically different from the "real" one.

What does this suggest exactly? It suggests vote fraud is occuring, and infact, I'm keeping a close eye on it in my Vote Fraud Watch 2012 thread.

Really, these are the kind of threads that give most Ron Paul supporters a bad name. Yes, Ron Paul has a big following on the internet, a large following among the...pseudo-educated, and finally a decent sized following within the actual educated groups. Politicians lose polls, votes get miss counted, etc etc; it happens. But, it is bad on the Paul supporters to cry fraud when they have no proof of such.

Not to mention the thinking that "everyone is out to get Ron Paul, or anyone who doesn't support Ron Paul is against him" is rather annoying. My cents.

reply to post by Chalupas


That's ok if you feel that way, but you're wrong. It may be annoying to some folks, but it's clearly the truth. The masters of puppets will never allow Paul to win the nomination, let alone the Election. Anyone who's eyes are open to how corrupt our Nation has become understands this. The mass media and their fake polls continue to bury Paul, while at the same time promoting their media fabricated flavor of the week. It started with Cain, then Newt, then Santorum, then Newt again and finally we have Romney. However, there circus side show is far from over. ~SheopleNation

Originally posted by v1rtu0s0
reply to post by OutKast Searcher

 

I'm not sure why you are in this thread arguing with these results to begin with...?

The fact is, they held a mock caucus and the results from it were astronomically different from the "real" one.

What does this suggest exactly? It suggests vote fraud is occuring, and infact, I'm keeping a close eye on it in my Vote Fraud Watch 2012 thread.

What "mock caucus"???

You clearly do not understand what is going on.

So ballets are counted in secret?

Is that true?

If so ... voter fraud could be very real and no one will have proof except maybe if a whistle blower from the inside came forward.

If ballets are counted in secret with no auditing by any third party then I say voter fraud is probably a reality.

If there is no public accountability, then we may as well assume voter fraud is a fact, because vote counting should be open and public.

How can we expect the democratic process and thus fair representation of the people if vote counting is done in secret?

That is absurdly obvious ...