MY Experiences & Perspective From 50 Years of Studying the UFO Phenomena

Originally posted by blupblup
*sigh*


You post all this stuff about UFOs and Aliens and so on....great.

But then you have to throw religious rubbish in there too....

"Satan is a deceiver"

the "Most plausible" answer for aliens is Fallen Angels.

Really?

The most plausible...???


FFS

TOTALLY AGREE. . .not only is the OP hard to follow with his bullet points that arent really points, but he's full of BS.

Once you bring "satan", and the "second coming" into the mix, you lose all credibility.

Originally posted by BO XIAN
reply to post by andersensrm

4. the global government elites worship satan and are definitely planning to force the world to worship him as God.

5. That's simply a fact. Acknowledging facts helps deny ignorance.

source pls
and it would be nice if said source was more recent than a millenia old how-to guide for keeping the peasants in line.


EDIT: darn quotes!
@stirling; slightly offtopic but have you read Good Omens by Terry Pratchett and Niel Gaiman?
there is a fair bit of that sort of "what's god playing at" postulation there [and it's a pretty good read]

OP. . stop preaching about satan and god. You make this thread a joke. . . .

Give us more perspective on "My experiences and perspective from 50 years of studying UFO phenomena", not a dissertation on god.

Where the heck are you going with all this?

Originally posted by kwakakev
reply to post by BO XIAN

 

I know of NO evidence at all to suggest that deception was around long before satan.

What about the camouflage of a butterfly? Stealth of a lion? Trap of a spider? Approach of the dragonfly? And the many other interactions of the jungle before the time of man?

My conviction is that when rebellion entered into the heart of satan . . . and he actively rebelled, taking 1/3 of the angels with him . . . sin . . . missing the mark of perfection . . . as in the archery bull's eye . . . the origin of the meaning of sin . . . entered all Creation outside of Heaven.

That's why Scripture teaches that "ALL CREATION waits yearningly, groaningly, desperately for the manifestation of the sons of God." . . . evidently to be THEREBY liberated from the polluting clutches and infections of sin.

AT THAT POINT, deception entered and death entered.

We read that even in the millenium, the lamb will lie down with the lion and amazingly, the lion will eat grass. There will, AGAIN, be no need for nor operation of DECEPTION.

Indeed, those are the descriptions of Heaven from NDE visitors e.g. Colton Burpo in HEAVEN IS FOR REAL.

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Deception always has negative side effects, imho.

Absolutely, but when the main rule of the game is survival of the fittest, it is on the table. I agree that it does waste too much time and resources.

Ahhhhhhhhhhhh . . . there's the rub . . . the enemy of our souls insists that it is SURVIVAL OF THE FITTEST.

God Almighty insists

it is SURVIVAL OF THE LOVING, THE HUMBLE AND THE HOLY.

The paradox of The Cross and the empty tomb strikes again.

Guess who's construction on reality wins.

There are also issues when you cannot stand behind your actions, are they really the right thing to do?

I'm not certain what your point is in that sentence.

But just what is there exactly when we do look and try to move towards the stars? If as a species man is too stupid to look past the obvious deceptions going on, we will have no chance with the more subtle variations. It is good to see that most of the planet knows and are waking up to things not right with 9/11. The political pressure to affect change is lacking though as the war machine continues to beat its drums.

Certainly the globalist oligarchy has been deceiving the world and The Republic big time for 110+ years. And many evils have been done for one purpose and labeled per another purpose.

There are a lot of answers with the nature of nature in a lot of old texts. Looking back further in time and the evolution of our ancestors with archaeology also helps.

My conclusions from archeology are quite different from those of your perspective.

And, I think a lot of the noise about ancient texts is deceived noise.

I think Josh McDowell's research on ancient texts is more reliable.

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Thanks for your kind and meaty responses.

If you want the "truth" about UFOs i recommend to read the classics by

Jacques Vallee, which IMO is one of the best researchers out there with one of the best theses.

And it will also help you to make a connection to "Satan" and other deceptions like "religion" - and once you are done THINKING after reading Jacques Vallee, nothing stops you to dig deeper also with the Ancient Aliens Theory and you MIGHT slowly begin to see the pattern and what really is behind the phenomenon.


Also..i had the impression that after 50 years of study you still are not sure about what to believe or not (ok, me neither)...but your link list is rather...let's put it that way..."unsorted". You basically give everything from Bob Lazar, C2C, Multon Howe etc. as reference... and to be honest if i would make a list of recommended resources i personally would not add C2C or Bob Lazar in my list...just saying...

Originally posted by stirling
Well you may be right, its a sure thing nobody can prove you wrong......

I've often been wrong about many things . . . however, I try to major in majors and minor in minors. And I try to be very careful about eternal issues.

That's one 'bet' no one should get wrong.

However, there are others who have been down many of the same roads you have, and who have somehow missed the revelation its all about God.....

Yes. I consider myself blessed and fortunate on that score. And, I don't understand all the factors that go into that. As best as I can think of it--it is God's Grace and God's plan. And I know He does all things well. I'm not any more inherently worthy than an axe murderer, imho.

Satan, by the way, could also be characterised as a psychopathic personality .
The psychopath is pretty well the image of satan in human guise.....

I think that's a very very apt insight. Plenty true. Thanks.

But let me get this straight....
God creates everything....
He/She is all powerful, all knowing and everywhere at the same time.....
Some being which he has created ie satan rebels against God....ie God created an imperfect angel? plus 1/3 of heavens host?
What kind of perfect being is that?

There are plenty of mysteries. God provides sufficient evidence and guidance for building and maintaining an eternal relationship with Him. Lots of details are evidently quite unimportant compared to those priorities.

By definition then, God is not all powerful.....or no rebellion would have been possible....

There's evidently some very human assumptions there . . . which evidently do not apply well to the realities we don't apprehend well fromt he perspective of our finiteness.

I've found God Almighty to be infinitely powerful above all other powers. His choices are HIS choices.

The story goes on but the point is made that it contradictss itself in essence many many times.....
Why for instance, does the smell of burning meat please him?
and the smell of burning vegetables doesnt?

I don't find the contradictions you do. I find different colors off of different facets of the diamond.

However, Josh McDowell treats the purported contradictions well in his

NEW EVIDENCE THAT DEMANDS A VERDICT:

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God gets abraham to kill his son...but at the last minute he says hes only kidding......Sounds psychopathic to me....
The story is full of all kinds of wierdnesses

From your finite perspective.

Not from my finite perspective . . . in spite of its mysteries.

If God is all powerfull, and made everything, why does he require ua to worship him and hold him in adoration...(this is a quality of a psychopath)

I don't see it that way. I believe He knows that we MUST have such a focus and attachment to Him in order to live to the fullest of our design with the most joy, fulfillment, pleasure, effectiveness, glory.

And, IN ORDER TO PREVENT any more Heavenly rebellions.

He is sufficient in the Trinity for fellowship, unity and diversity. He chose to make us for fellowship as a choice, not a desperate need.

When we do not, he destroys us
(this is also psychopathic behavior)
ach! it all just makes my head ache.....

That's one perspective. It's not mine.

Even atheist, nihlist Jean Paul Satre noted that for the finite to have meaning, it HAD to have a meaningful, functional connection to the INFINITE. Sadly, he never found one.

Mixing God with UFOs is just icing on the insanity.....

I don't find that a very mutually respectful assertion so I'll just walk on by.

Why get angry at the man for giving his point of view? If you don't like what he's got to say... you know what to do. Insults are pointless really.. grow up.

reply to post by stirling


The beings Phil Corso described are not even alive in the real human sense,
They apeared to be some advanced type of biological robots.....


Yes. There certainly appear to be units fitting that description. I don't know that all are but evidently an alarming number are.

Taht they are trying to interbreed with humans (aparently) could be for a number of reasons...
Some say they are trying to obtain the eternal life which the human soul enjoys.....that by cross breeding, they will be able to eventually obtain souls such as humans have.

I've read that. And, that purportedly, some ET's have a technology to capture and contain a soul.

I think I'll continue to trust the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob with my soul, thank you anyway! LOL.

some say that they are a dying race,(even if they are robotic clones)and they are trying to regain their ability to reproduce as we do.

Yeah, I've read that, too. I can argue both sides of that. Plausible. My hunch is that there's more than a little charade in that for some reason.

some say it is because earth is about to go through such cataclysms as to be destroyed.

I don't doubt that there are to be some serious traumas. The Bible says it will be a worse time than the world EVER HAS KNOWN and worse THAN IT EVER WILL KNOW AGAIN IN THE FUTURE.

However, The Bible also makes clear that as long as the planet exists, there will be heat and cold; winter and summer; seed time and harvest. I'll continue to trust The Manual.

Whereupon the genetic materials will be replanted upon a new earth somewhere else in the universe or back on this planet if it actually survives.

Wellllllllll, that would certainly succeed in herding a LOT of hapless submissive humans onto the great ships . . . bound to . . . wherever for whatever purpose.

These little guys are working to preserve mankinds genetic signature and save the race from certain destruction.

That's a nice line. I no longer buy it.

Others claim they devour our emotions, and it is like food or drug to them.

Somehow, that rings true to me at some level in some respects.

If so it explains the sort of standard mutilations kind of......like we eat stew or spagetti
they eat fear or pain or all of it at once???

Plausible. However, I think the mutilations mostly have to do with another goal and objective, different from the recreational drug made off our terrorized brains.

The mutilations being kind of ritual because they bring out the most nourishment......

I've not heard of any sort of ritual except that it's a routine standard operation. The procedure appears to be related to some sort of testing and/or manufacturing from the selected organs and blood. Some say the slurry made is slathered on some of the critters for food through their skin.

There are many loose ends in the God and Devil scenario just as there are with other hypotheses ive encountered....

To me, there are FAR LESS loose ends and out of place puzzle pieces with that construction on reality, than with others. I realize that others find that mileage may differ for them.

The premise may have merit, but i dont absolutely believe it,,,,
as i dont nessessarily they eat our fear and pain.....

Diversity of convictions is still possible in this beleagured Republic. Thankfully.

Still your 50+yrs of research must have had you thinking other theories at times, i am curious what x ed them out in favour of God and devil theory.

The Bible kept providing more and better answers to a wider diversity of puzzle pieces than any other explanation or set of explanations.

It hangs together better; is more congruent; is more robust; is more comprehensive; etc. etc. etc.

Perhaps you could actually elucidate rather than generalise?

I don't know how much into the tedius level of dialogue I'm up to in the short term--as far as laying out a comprehensive detailed cosmology on it all . . . chapter and verse and footnotes. I don't enjoy that. If folks have specific questions over the longer period . . . I might respond more with such detail.

If these are fallen angels, correct me if wrong, but arent these fallen ones bound in chains beneath the earth somewhere?

Evidently some MAY be.

But most of that binding is still in the future.

Cledarly most are not bound at this point in the END TIMES drama.

After Armageddon, yup. And along the way, probably.

CONTINUED in next post.

reply to post by stirling

So are you calling the greys their constructs because they are all tied up down there and cant get here yet?

Sorry, I don't understand that sentence . . . at least I don't think I get your meaning accurately.

just wondering about some of the reasons for your conclusions, and what that means explanation wise to the reality of the phenomena.......

Welllllllllll, I started out quite open minded about whether the ET's were good, bad or neutral.

For a long time I postulated that there might well be both.

As time has gone on, it has appeared more and more convincingly that all the ones written about

ARE IN CAHOOTS one way or another with the satanic globalist oligarchy toward establishing the overt global government designed to enslave mankind and worship satan on pain of death for failure to join in that meme and allegiance.

That pretty much settled that issue for me.

Everthing else kind of falls into place accordingly.

And, I think Guy Malone's research was quite a convincing set of meaty icings on the cake.

No disrespect but a lot of skepticism......
peace ..........s

Much appreciate your tone. Healthy skepticism can be life saving.

Speaking generally toward other poster types below:

However an obsessive . . . rebellion or other dysfunction driven addiction to

AVOIDING A TYPE I ERROR at ALL COSTS

is irrational.

It merely lands one in the lap of a virtual certainty of being shredded by a TYPE II ERROR.

I wish more understood that scientific fact.

reply to post by amongus

TOTALLY AGREE. . .not only is the OP hard to follow with his bullet points that arent really points, but he's full of BS.

Once you bring "satan", and the "second coming" into the mix, you lose all credibility.

I'm trying to learn to avoid beating my head against brick walls.

Given the above demonstrated brazen assaultiveness,. . . enjoy your perspective unfettered by my replies.

I set this thread up in response to a request for my perspective.

My perspective includes my Christian cosmology quite thoroughly integrated, quite NECESSARILY into my convictions and observations of what is going on in the UFO related fields. NO OTHER COSMOLOGY fits my observations and puzzle collection remotely as adequately, as logically, as thoroughly, comprehensively.

I don't recall holding a gun to anyone's head to come onto this thread and throw fits because their sensibilities were jangled.
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reply to post by decepticonLaura


As I've noted, I didn't keep notes at any time over the 50 years.

However, there are, IIRC, threads on ATS about the topic you asked about. And, I think the search function works reasonably well now.

It is fairly well common knowledge that the ruling elites worship satan. I don't understand folks being out of that loop any longer.

reply to post by flexy123


Yeah. I do want to go back and read more of Jacques Vallee than I have read so far.

And, I'm aware of C2C's reputation as well as Bob Lazar's

Nevertheless, they are puzzle pieces in the vast array . . .

C2C can have high quality stuff as well as low quality.

Bob Lazar is likely a mixed bag as well. I'd rather have puzzle pieces and discard some later as unhelpful than miss out on even a tiny tidbit that was interesting ultimately.

reply to post by flexy123


In terms of not knowing what to believe.

I think it's more on the level of details.

I'm pretty settled on the broad outline stuff--at least in an overview sense.

Certainly no one seems to know convincingly specifically what the critters' detailed agenda is.

No one seems to be totally convincingly confident about the exact roles they'll play as the END TIMES global tyranny government takes more overt positions on the world stage.

No one seems to know precisely WHEN they will all be in our noonday skies and on the nightly news day in and day out.

etc. etc.

However, it is now inescapable to me that they are involved with the evil globalists to evil ends.

That's no longer a debatable issue, to me.

Originally posted by blupblup
*sigh*


You post all this stuff about UFOs and Aliens and so on....great.

But then you have to throw religious rubbish in there too....

"Satan is a deceiver"

the "Most plausible" answer for aliens is Fallen Angels.

Really?

The most plausible...???
FFS

Yeah, OP, kinda lost me there also. Mixing religion in with UFO/Alien phenomena is like mixing oil and water. And assigning religious names to things not fully understood may bring retaliation, we just do not yet know. There is an ET war, and the participants are definitely not "fallen angels," nor are they "demons." They are Beings from other planets in, and out of our system.

I suspect the bible was a way to get us to understand, unfortunately some people get so hung up on the terminology they throw it out without trying to understand it. Of course there are also problems related to interpretation. However, I think it gives us some food for thought regarding spirtual beings whatever they are called.

reply to post by autowrench

They are Beings from other planets in, and out of our system.



imho,

That is a BELIEF and evidently a rather RELIGIOUSLY HELD

BELIEF.

I know of NO evidence that would convincingly PROVE that in any respects.

Mortal humans do NOT have sufficient

reality based tangible PERSPECTIVE

to PROVE that.

For example: What cliff are you standing on that you can SEE that far?

Where did you get eyes to see light years away?

Your assertion, again, only fits the category of

BELIEF

and the intensity evident with your assertion causes it to be reasonably labeled a

RELIGIOUSLY HELD BELIEF.

BTW,

did you UTTERLY MISS the words "My ...Perspective" in my title?

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Originally posted by BO XIAN
reply to post by DaphneApollo

 

what is their purpose?

INDEED.

That's one of the big unfinished queries of my study and experiences in this field.

WHAT *IS* THEIR PURPOSE, GOAL

OTHER than to deceive, support the satanic one world government, trash as many humans as possible as their only way to throw sand in God's eyes for getting kicked out of Heaven etc. etc. etc.

Even considering all that . . . what is their route, their major scheme, the outline of their plans to achieve such?

Some claim they are going to offer to take the 'chosen' of them off planet in huge ships while the planet is trashed by whatever galactic cyclical whatever or big meteor crash or whatever . . .

Personally, I wouldn't take a ride anywhere in the fallen angels' ships.

I know that when God is done with them, their ultimate destination is hell and I don't trust any of their intermediate stops.

I'm not getting in their ships either, EVER! Or taking thier chips. Which brings to mind the metalic objects they implant into thier abductees. Is it a precursor/trial run to the 'chip' they (PTB) plan to initiate and already have/will be with the healthcare bill, you have to take an implantable device to be in their healthcare scheme.

On to William Cooper and Phil Schneider :

"The Demonic Hierarchy
And some of their challenges ...

But then you read "Behold a Pale Horse" by William Cooper. He was a high ranking military officer involved in the U.S. cover-up of this "alien / demon" phenomena (until "they"executed him). Cooper, being on the front lines, was tormented spiritually and even began to question his belief in Christianity. Cooper was a highly credible insider who had access to Top Secret military documentation and insider sources and saw these "things" with his own eyes. He confirmed the unthinkable. He confirmed that, not only had the U.S. government known and consorted with these "alien" entities, but in FACT had actually signed "Treaties" with them. Agreements.

Or as our Lord, the Most High God, and King Jesus would put it ... they signed OATHS!

These "oaths" of agreement, or treaties, allowed these demonic entities to have a certain amount of freedom and secrecy in exchange for "technological know-how". In exchange for this technology, our government agreed to "allow" these demons free access to "human beings" for their own purposes. We "agreed", (with some rather pathetic restrictions), to allow them to "harvest" human beings and perform abominations on their bodies. The U.S. government told LUCIFER he could have the "bodies" and "souls" of God's greatest creations (in his "own image") to torment, torture, mutilate, and genetically alter."
Source

And Phil Schneider fighting the 'Greys' in the underground bases. What a story that starts to come together. I read this in the mid 90's. Exciting and interesting times we do live in though.

Originally posted by amongus
TOTALLY AGREE. . .not only is the OP hard to follow with his bullet points that arent really points, but he's full of BS.

Once you bring "satan", and the "second coming" into the mix, you lose all credibility.

Exactly man.

This topic is difficult enough to get a decent discussion going...and to try and have a serious discussion can be almost impossible

When you start just saying "GOD DID IT".... what does that do....? how does that help?

The OP basically ruined and tainted his own thread for all but the "nutty" few.

Shame really.

Oh well.

reply to post by BO XIAN


Wow, when I asked for more, you didn't skimp a bit! Tons of info there, and enough links to keep me reading for months. That's a good thing. Many thanks for all the data and information, and S&F for the thread!

I have suspected for some time that some of the UFO stuff is faked, on purpose, by government people or someone. Mental techniques, holographic technology, lasers; all possible methods. We know they have experimented on people before, so this would not, or should not anyway, surprise anyone. The physical stuff is more disturbing, and a lot of it can't be explained away. I have a few ideas, especially concerning the baby issue. "Hybrids" to me is just another description of nephilim. We are told this happened before, and would again. "Little green men" would be a great cover story, wouldn't it?

Alright, off to check out the many links. Nice to see some crypto ones out there, too! BIG interest of mine, for ages. Actually have a personal story in a book by Gerhard and Redfern. For another thread, though!