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Originally posted by FlyersFan
It has to do with forcing religious organizations to provide health care that provides birth control.
The Catholic hospitals. Their religion dictates no artificial birth control and no abortion.
The whole point of a 'Catholic' hospital is to provide a place for patients to receive their health care, and for workers to work, in a CATHOLIC environment and in a place that follows church teaching.
It's actually the law stamping on the rights of freedom of religion.
So are you going to have the law force Jewish restaruants to provide bacon and pork chops because the eatery down the street from them has those things on their menu?
Originally posted by Annee
It is a hospital - - with specific purpose to treat the sick.
I would hate to think employment was based on religious belief.
Some employees do not share the belief of the employer - - therefore they can not deny services the employee requires.
Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
It is not required by law to provide health care to your employees, so the religious organizations are NOT being forced to do anything.
The Obama administration on Friday ruled that religiously affiliated nonprofit organizations, including hospitals and universities, will have to offer birth-control coverage to women employees but gave the organizations an extra year to comply
If a religion dictates that they don't USE birth control, ...
But they can't force their employees to practice their religion.
They but I assure you, they are free to practice their religion.
They just can't control others. Controlling others in NOT freedom.
I wouldn't know the point of a Catholic hospital, nor do I particularly care.
doubt the idea that their nurse is getting birth control through an insurance provider is going to mess with anyone's freedom.
You haven't answered: What freedom is being stamped on?
The right to restrict birth control from their employees, based on religion???
No. It's an entirely different situation.
The hospital is not being forced to provide ANYTHING.
Health insurance provides preventative care to their clients.
Originally posted by FlyersFan
- The potential employee knows it's a Catholic hospital run by the religious requirements of the Catholic church. If they don't like it .. they can go elsewhere to work.
- 'Birth control' paid for by the insurance company is NOT a 'service the employee requires'. Its' a benefit that the CATHOLIC hospital can not proivde or else it is no longer a CATHOLIC hospital.
Originally posted by The Sword
reply to post by anthonygillespie2012
I'm getting a little sick and tired of the patriotic sheep that "baaaa" every time they see something they think is anti-American.
Why don't you concentrate on the topic instead? Or is that too hard?
Originally posted by anthonygillespie2012
U.S. Churches groups forced to give Birth Control by Government
us.m.yahoo .com
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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The Obama administration on Friday ruled that religiously affiliated nonprofit organizations, including hospitals and universities, will have to offer birth-control coverage to women employees but gave the organizations an extra year to comply.
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Originally posted by Annee
How pathetic.
With a shortage of qualified medical personal - - to put doctrine over the best professional care for patients.
Your response is exactly what I expected.
BS. What's between an employee and the insurance company is none of the hospital's business.
The hospital itself is not providing anything
Do I have to provide health insurance to my employees?
The Affordable Care Act does not require employers to provide health insurance for their employees.
Originally posted by FlyersFan
You may be athiest and not like the Catholic church, but in order to say that you are for religious freedom FOR EVERYONE, ya' really oughta' understand the basics of why this law would be against freedom of religion.
In 2001, 31 percent of Americans received care in a Catholic facility. The Catholic health care system controls more than 11 percent of the nation’s total community hospitals and more than 16 percent of the nation’s total community hospital beds. Nearly 18 percent of all hospitals and 20 percent of all hospital beds in health systems are owned or controlled by the Catholic church. Thus, the Catholic health care system has a significant medical responsibility to millions of Americans.
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Catholic health care in the US is regulated by the Ethical and Religious Directives for Catholic Health Care Services (the Directives), which were issued not by doctors, ethicists or regulatory authorities, but by the nation’s Catholic bishops.
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The problem with this argument is that a social service run by an agency affiliated with the Catholic church is not the same thing as the Catholic church. The Catholic church is provided religious freedom by the US Constitution; its social services are subject to laws and regulations designed to protect consumers.
Originally posted by FlyersFan
The constitution gives Catholic organizations the right to practice their religion.
I'm not going to engage in this discussion any more.
Originally posted by colbe
FlyersFan,
I wish people would see God's plan as He has laid it out. All those
thinking oh yes, abortion is evil but there's nothing wrong with
Birth Control. To everybody who misunderstands God's teaching
on birth control. I am not making fun, it's God's choice, He decides
life and death. That's easy.
Originally posted by colbe
God decides life, not us, ever.
Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
reply to post by colbe
Originally posted by colbe
God decides life, not us, ever.
If that were true, then religious people would never take any medicines or have operations because "God decides life, not us"...
Here's one for you: I decide whether or not I'm going to have children, NOT you and NOT your God.
Besides, God is irrelevant in this discussion. This is LAW, not religion.