U.S. Churches groups forced to give Birth Control by Government

Birth control is:

Preventative Medical Care

Like a colonoscopy, a physical exam, many blood tests, breast cancer screening, etc. Preventative care brings down costs and is covered by most insurance providers. Preventing the pregnancy of an unwanted child is the right thing to do... Unless you want the abortion rate to stay where it is or rise...

The only reason it hasn't been covered before is because it's strictly a women's issue and because of religious objections. Well, this is a secular state with secular laws.

It's time to curb the religious interference in our laws. Religion doesn't have a right to dictate legislation.

Originally posted by colbe
I wish people would see God's plan as He has laid it out. All those
thinking oh yes, abortion is evil but there's nothing wrong with
Birth Control. To everybody who misunderstands God's teaching
on birth control. I am not making fun, it's God's choice, He decides
life and death. That's easy.

If God has a plan for life and death, then he could easily make birth control fail when he see's fit.
By that logic, abstinance and chastity should be banned too. After all, you're messing up God's plan if he want's you preganant by you're not doing to the deed and can't become so.

If It's Gods choice, then nothing we'd do would make a difference, because our actions wouldn't change what he wants. Since our actions do change what happens, it'd be safe to assume, that he's not making those specific decisions, and it's up to us to decide how we see fit.

Originally posted by colbe

Do you want to arrive at your particular judgment at death to hear
it from God Himself? No! My parents had 10 children because they
accepted God's revelation on contraception.

As far as the bible goes, unless you completely miss the point of certain stories, there's nothing being said against contraception. So, I don't know where that 'revelation' comes from.

Are you saying you believe in enforcing, what you belief to be, God's will on others? Or are you personally saying what you believe? Because, as unfounded as I may see your beliefs to be, go ahead and believe them. What I'm against, is the aspect of anyone forcing their beliefs on others. Which is essentially what this topic is about.

Originally posted by colbe
Obama said a "pregnancy" is a punishment. Marxist Muslim. He
isn't Christian. Pray for his conversion...

I'd like to see the exact quote, in context. However, "Marxist Muslim" is both a ridiculous and unfounded accusation. Also, not being a christian isn't in itself a bad thing. Though, as far as his public actions, there's no reason to assume he isn't.

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well, tell ya something.....

I have a deep, firm belief that no one can write rules, laws or in any other way try to coerce me , or force me to buy something that I do not have the money for!!!

be it the gov't writing a law that says I have to buy an overpriced, next to useless insurance plan, to employers having rules that state I must have a doctor's note proving I am sick if I miss a day of work!!!
it's simple, one shouldn't be forced to go into debt, or go hungry, or homeless, just so one industry can be boosted up via laws made up by their buddies in gov't!!!!

and well, anything after that one is only a mild secondary annoyance in my opinion!!!!

besides, just how is them making religious groups provide health coverage that includes birth control any different than the a store forcing an islamic person to sell pork??? if a religion came up tomorrow that said that all red haired, blue eyed people are subhuman, would that exempt me from the anti-discriminatory laws that are on the books????

the simple fact of the matter is that some women face severe health problems if they become pregnant........
and therefore, they need the birth control!!!

how about instead of trying to force women to have more babies by standing between them and birth control, you try to restore a little honor to the act of motherhood?? why would a women want to have kids?? most of the families in the states with kids end up having to rely on gov't assistance to feed them!!!! women and men are about on pare now as far as income, till of course the child comes into the picture, then woops, all of a sudden that women isn't as valuable in the workforce. and then of course there's the subconcious belief that is probably still prevalent in some areas of the country where...
a man needs a job , he has a family to support!! but a women, na, she has a husband, or she should danged well have one!!!!!

reply to post by colbe

So you think a hospital offering the pill to its employees is going to cause nuclear war?

Dude, the pill is not that strong.

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Actually FTA

WASHINGTON - Many church-affiliated institutions will have to cover free birth control for employees,

This isn't about the hospitals patients, only the employees.

Originally posted by vogon42
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Actually FTA

WASHINGTON - Many church-affiliated institutions will have to cover free birth control for employees,

This isn't about the hospitals patients, only the employees.

For having actually read through the source, I'm very surprised I didn't pick that up.

Thanks for the clarification.

That is a different story with different things to consider.

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I think a lot of people see this story and think hospital are handing out birth control to their patients for free. That's why they're so pissed. But birth control is preventative care and most insurances cover that without copay. It should have been included all along. I'm for this as it will hopefully bring abortion numbers down.

Originally posted by colbe
Look at these times, so dark, almost all sexual sins are accepted, no
longer considered a sin!

People being free to do whatever they like, as long as all involved consent and no one's being harmed? People not having to suppress who they are, just so they won't stand out from the social norm? People being less hateful of those who are somewhat different, or love in different ways? People being accepted for loving people of different religions, races, or regardless of it's the same or different gender?

Whereas things like Spousal Abuse, Marital Rape, Sex Slaves, Forced marriages, Bans on interracial marriages, Hate crimes against members of the LGBT community, people being forced to keep their sexuality hidden, ect. All going away, mostly gone.

What you see as getting darker, I see as perpetually growing more enlightened. Both on the sexual stuff, and much everything else.

Originally posted by vogon42
reply to post by xxsomexpersonxx

 

Actually FTA

WASHINGTON - Many church-affiliated institutions will have to cover free birth control for employees,

This isn't about the hospitals patients, only the employees.

If the birth control is for employees of church affiliated hospials, wouldn't the next step be for gov to change is for the patients? Anyway that's what I'm thinking cause I'm not against birth control and I'm not for it but still this could cause agency's to shutdown in the future if the steps go further especially if the church is against birth control. But hey maybe I'm wrong and they'll continue as usual.

Originally posted by anthonygillespie2012
If the birth control is for employees of church affiliated hospials, wouldn't the next step be for gov to change is for the patients?

No.

Employees in a hospital have a insurance plan THROUGH that hospital, just as anyone does through their place of employment.

Preventative care is covered in most health plans.

Birth control is preventative health care (it prevents unwanted pregnancies)

This rule simply adds birth control to the list of preventative care options in health care plans and requires that there be no copay (just like most other preventative options).

There is no plan to force hospital patients to take birth control.

reply to post by anthonygillespie2012

The patients have their own health care plans.

As long as they dont work for a religious organization, chances are birth controll is already covered under their health plan.


ETA: oops, I see that has already been answered

Ori.

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