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both articles for the viewer PM examines the evidence and consults the experts to refute the most persistent conspiracy theories of September 11. Jim Hoffman's response to Popular Machanics 9/11 article [edit on 12/2/2005 by Sauron]
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If the nose "liquified" on impact, how did it make it through the third ring of the Pentagon leaving a perfectly circular "nose-print" hole?
Originally posted by CatHerderUh, the photo you are referring to is the inside of the 3rd ring - the final point of penetration. The Pentagon wall would be through that hole, through two buildings, and 5 other walls - which is where the plane first impacted. I think a lot of people get confused by that. (Lots of photos to absorb without seeing the other 500 I've waded through while trying to just select 10 or so to post here). Here's a visual aid for you (they're free today only!). This picture here, to which you are reffering: Is in this location shown on this photo. The crash simulation video is by no means perfect - it does not take into account, properly, the effect the wall would have on the tail (only the body and wings are actually mathematically simulated - it says that if you'd read the included links to the website and whitepaper). I guess I could have included that information in my original post - but I assumed people would click all the links provided and read all the information before responding to individual parts of the post (parts that were coverred in the links). Sorry about that.
Originally posted by johnlear About half way down the presentation there are 2 pictures of the hole in the Pentagon. One shows a policeman and the other shows a sign to the left of the hole that says No Parking. Now in neither of these pictures is the slightest damage, not the slightest charring of the walls next to the wall. How did the wings, which are shown still attached to the aircraft in the simulated video of the penetration get through the wall into the inside without leaving the slightest trace of damage?
So what is this a picture of? What are you saying?
Originally posted by SMR Your linking to an html file rather than image.....here As for your posts,awesome find! I have tried 3/4 times to point this out,but there are those that chose to ignore or have it stuck in their head that it is what was said it is in the CH post. From the start I could see it was in no way from an APU and even showed proof with images. There are just those who will not realize that it was NOT a 757. Great post
Originally posted by GabrielleSo what is this a picture of? What are you saying?
Originally posted by SMR Your linking to an html file rather than image.....here As for your posts,awesome find! I have tried 3/4 times to point this out,but there are those that chose to ignore or have it stuck in their head that it is what was said it is in the CH post. From the start I could see it was in no way from an APU and even showed proof with images. There are just those who will not realize that it was NOT a 757. Great post
Originally posted by Foxx The post-attack cleanup at the Pentagon shed some light on the fact that it was not a 757, but exactly what the part recovered was has not been easy to find or locate. It is not a "turbofan" component, it is in fact a "turbojet" component from an US Air Force/Navy vintage type of jet engine technology that was used on just a limited number of fighters, bombers and reconnaissance planes. This new evidence has been hand-delivered to New York Attorney General Eliot Spitzer. www.onlinejournal.com... Any comments you'd like to make on this article Catherder?
[edit on 25-2-2005 by uknumpty]
JAMIE MCINTYRE: From my close-up inspection, there's no evidence of a plane having crashed anywhere near the Pentagon. The only site, is the actual side of the building that's crashed in. And as I said, the only pieces left that you can see are small enough that you pick up in your hand. There are no large tail sections, wing sections, fuselage, nothing like that anywhere around which would indicate that the entire plane crashed into the side of the Pentagon and then caused the side to collapse. Even though if you look at the pictures of the Pentagon you see that the floors have all collapsed, that didn't happenm immediately. It wasn't until almost about 45 minutes later that the structure was weakened enough that all of the floors collapsed.
grrrrr!
Go live in you fantasy world of NWO Plots and evil secret societies.
And that is where that photo is taken. It baffles me how many people who claim to have done extensive research in this subject, fail to recognize this, and claim it is where the plane initially hit.
Originally posted by HowardRoark There is an inner service drive. in the middle of the building.
I would have to say it is a fire hose.
Originally posted by HowardRoark Is that a pole or a fire hose?
Trust me as a former firefighter, they don't stay yellow for very long and most of the ones I have seen start off white. They turn the color that is shown in the photo rather quickly.
I have searched Pentagon images,and in every photo taken,that I could find,showed YELLOW hoses being used.
Just because the fire is out , doesn't mean you wonk need the hose any more. There were numerous hot spots for several days that had the potential to rekindle. Likely the hose was just charged and not being used at the time, but ready to be used if the need arose. [edit on 26/2/05 by Skibum]
But,in the image,does anyone know if it had a time stamp or anything saying when it was taken?Reason I ask is because if it is a fire hose,it seems that since it looks straight,it must have full pressure.If this is the case,why,if taken way later in the day after all fire is put out,would they keep the water going at full pressure?