Russian, French warships off Syria, Iran, US drones over Iranian coast

Originally posted by Camperguy

Originally posted by mkgandhas
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Syria's research reactor ? Is there is any thorough evidence like radioactive emissions?? or classification of the reactor.Secondly Russia has a mutual cooperation and defence treaty with Syria since soviet era.

Will lead to nuclear war.

NTI link

Syria's nuclear program has come under significant international scrutiny since Israel's September 2007 airstrike on Al-Kibar (referred to as Dair Alzour in IAEA documents), a site alleged by Israeli and American officials to have been an undeclared plutonium production reactor. An IAEA investigation into the matter is ongoing, with progress hindered by limited Syrian cooperation. Furthermore, IAEA inspectors discovered the presence of undeclared anthropogenic uranium particles at the SRR-1 in 2008 and 2009.[1] The investigation is ongoing, but the most recent information provided by Syria indicates that the particles originated from undeclared yellowcake conversion activities in 2004.[2]

Lots of info out there really,

Bill

NTI is a conservative neocon thinktank. And please some more authoritative evidence than american and israeli officials.

Estimated or not, its within the range of Russia bo!!! Russia dont want none!!

Originally posted by mkgandhas
reply to post by princeofpeace

 

estimated to have range of 4800-11500 km. Estimated is key.Not official.Any official proof??
en.wikipedia.org...

No official proof...

edit on 10-1-2012 by mkgandhas because: (no reason given)

Originally posted by mkgandhas

Originally posted by Camperguy

Originally posted by mkgandhas
reply to post by Camperguy

 

Syria's research reactor ? Is there is any thorough evidence like radioactive emissions?? or classification of the reactor.Secondly Russia has a mutual cooperation and defence treaty with Syria since soviet era.

Will lead to nuclear war.

NTI link

Syria's nuclear program has come under significant international scrutiny since Israel's September 2007 airstrike on Al-Kibar (referred to as Dair Alzour in IAEA documents), a site alleged by Israeli and American officials to have been an undeclared plutonium production reactor. An IAEA investigation into the matter is ongoing, with progress hindered by limited Syrian cooperation. Furthermore, IAEA inspectors discovered the presence of undeclared anthropogenic uranium particles at the SRR-1 in 2008 and 2009.[1] The investigation is ongoing, but the most recent information provided by Syria indicates that the particles originated from undeclared yellowcake conversion activities in 2004.[2]

Lots of info out there really,

Bill

NTI is a conservative neocon thinktank. And please some more authoritative evidence than american and israeli officials.

Hopefully the IAEA isnt to "neocon" for you.

B. Assessment of the Dair Alzour Site
11. As further described below, the Agency has assessed that:
• features of the destroyed building are comparable to those of gas cooled graphite moderated
reactors of the type and size alleged;
• prior to the bombing, the configuration of the infrastructure at the site, including its
connections for cooling and treated water, was able to support the operation of such a reactor
and was not consistent with Syria’s claims regarding the purpose of the infrastructure; in
addition, a number of other features of the site add to its suitability for the construction and
operation of a nuclear reactor;
• analysis of samples from the site indicates a connection to nuclear related activities; and
• the features of the destroyed building and the site could not have served the purpose claimed
by Syria.
B.1. Features of the Destroyed Building
12. The Agency has assessed that the dimensions, shape and configuration of the destroyed building
are comparable to those found in reactors of the alleged type.
13. Based on commercial imagery from 2001 to 2007, the dimensions of the building6 are
comparable to those for nuclear reactors of the type and power alleged, i.e. similar to the 25 MW(th)
gas cooled graphite moderated reactor at Yongbyon7 in the DPRK. The Agency’s analysis of a
photograph of the bombed building that was provided to the Agency by a Member State corroborates
the allegation that Syria attempted to conceal the features of the building’s configuration by the
addition of wall and roof sections.
14. Analysis of imagery provided by two Member States, taken shortly after the building was
destroyed, indicates that internal features of the building correspond to a large central hall, acylindrical biological shield, a containment structure, heat exchanger shielding structures and a spent
fuel pond; all of which would be required for a reactor.8 The Agency procured a radar image of the
building taken shortly after its destruction. Within the limits of the resolution, the image is consistent
with those provided to the Agency by the two Member States.
15. The imagery of the destroyed building showed that the feature interpreted as being a containment
structure had similar dimensions, shape and layout to other known reactors of the type alleged, and the
overall size of the building was sufficient to house the equipment needed for such a nuclear reactor.
Photographs of a reactor vessel at the Dair Alzour site released by a Member State simultaneously
with the publication of the allegations are not inconsistent with the Agency’s assessment of the
dimensions of the containment structure. Based on all the information available to the Agency,
including the Agency’s analysis of these photographs, it is estimated that the reactor core had 843 fuel
channels and 79 access ports, and, depending on the heat transfer characteristics of the fuel, the reactor
may have had a thermal power of 25 MW or higher

International Atomic Agency

Bill

A Russian naval task force, led by the Admiral Kuznetsov aircraft carrier, has left the Syrian port of Tartus after a three-day visit.

en.rian.ru...

Originally posted by Max Devoe
A Russian naval task force, led by the Admiral Kuznetsov aircraft carrier, has left the Syrian port of Tartus after a three-day visit.

en.rian.ru...

Some media reports said the visit of the Russian warships was a signal of Russia’s support for Assad’s regime but the Russian military denied any connections of the visit with the political situation in the country.The Russian Defense Ministry repeatedly stated that the purpose of the visit at the Syrian port was to replenish water and food supplies during the naval task force’s long-term training mission in the Atlantic and the Mediterranean

Well there goes that theory...

Bill

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Well, that is the official news. What is the actual reason for the visit and length of stay? Is it coincidence that they arrived during these trying times?

I wonder if US and Russia made a deal which gave Russia a backdoor to leave the area without losing face. You know both countries were talking thru other channels about this potential flashpoint.

Originally posted by guppy
reply to post by Camperguy

 

Well, that is the official news. What is the actual reason for the visit and length of stay? Is it coincidence that they arrived during these trying times?

I wonder if US and Russia made a deal which gave Russia a backdoor to leave the area without losing face. You know both countries were talking thru other channels about this potential flashpoint.

Who knows, it could be a face saving manuver,pretty sure most of the people want al-assad out. Dont know how the Russians could win backing assad and he does get overthrown.Pretty sure they would lose their only base in the area.

Bill

Wait a minute !

Why would the Russians launch missiles while still in port ?

They would need to be at sea right ?

Hmmm.

I have a hunch.

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All along Russia said that this trip was planned way back in Winter 2010, it had nothing to do with the current Syrian situation. They visited the port mainly to refuel and pile the food supplies. Russia is not a stupid trigger happy country like US and UK are. Russian support to Syrians has been shown via UN veto and supply of S300 advanced types and Yakhont missiles and other weapons. If needed Russia will supply more weapons and support to Syria and Iran.

I allways take Debka.com with a grain of salt. But then I noticed something that coul mean a UN war is about to start with Iran. The US has pulled out Timothy Giethner and sent him to China and Japan to make deals about Iran. Last time they did that was Libya. Geithner made a deal with France to give up a contract with Brazil worth billions and gave it to the US as a deal to get the US to create a no-fly zone.

Geithner Discusses Iran Sanctions During Beijing Talks
english.chosun.com...

Originally posted by guppy
reply to post by Camperguy

 

Well, that is the official news. What is the actual reason for the visit and length of stay? Is it coincidence that they arrived during these trying times?

I wonder if US and Russia made a deal which gave Russia a backdoor to leave the area without losing face. You know both countries were talking thru other channels about this potential flashpoint.

Why does the world expect so much from Russia and give nothing in return. Libya was plush with $150B in investment assets all over the world but when it came to give Russia a contract for Tripoli Subway the Libyans asked the forgiveness of $4B Loan that they took from Russia. Gaddhafi had his nose way up the rear of Italy and France when it came to awarding contracts and soon he found himself in backstabbed s___ by the same darling western Europeans. Same with Algeria $4B forgiveness. Same with Syria, only thing is the figure was $10B in their case. While Russian weapons are not better than those of the US but they are around 80-90% as good. Further, US will never sell these countries such weapons fearing one day they will be turned on the source.

Bottomline is fanantics, mullahs and dictators should get their mindset in a stable platform. When it comes to awarding contracts they suck up to the west and the same west when turns on them, they expect Russia to come to their help. Russia is not the guarantor of the third world anymore and will help only those nations which did not prostitute themselves to the west at the time of convenience.

Russia just used this as a supply stop and nothing else. This port was planned back in 2010. I dont understand what the big deal is? Russia has ONE CARRIER!!! They dont want to do anything stupid to lose it.

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only muslim brotherhood wants to overthrow Assad.Assad has the support of the alawities and Druze christians.

reply to post by princeofpeace


After what USA attempted regime change in Russia,Russia wants USA to attack its assets.Once done they will initiate a full scale thermonuclear war and biological war.

reply to post by Camperguy


it does not say that the reactor was precisely for nuke weapons.

reply to post by guppy


Losing face? Russian general staff is mad after the subversion attempt made during the elections...

Backing down...They want a war themselves now....

Originally posted by ludwigvonmises003
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only muslim brotherhood wants to overthrow Assad.Assad has the support of the alawities and Druze christians.

There is no problem if Assad wants to stick to power but he should offer some real reforms in the society whereby common citizen can enhance the daily quality of life. Small small freedoms like protests, questioning the government acts, ability to start businesses easily without much bureaucratic hassles, make political parties with decent agendas etc. Common citizen cares more about his or her immediate well being and those are much easy to provide even for a third worldish country like Syria.

If Assad cannot provide such basic reforms than he should be ready to face continuous protests and riots. In the peaceful areas of his country he should immediately melt down 'emergency laws' by a notch or two and show his serious intent to make people's lives better not just sit like a unwanted monster hated by his own population.

Syria should not face the chaotic and unplanned fate of Iraq and Libya and Egypt to some extent. Top leadership can remain but easily provided freedoms and reforms should immediately take place.

Originally posted by ludwigvonmises003
reply to post by guppy

 

Losing face? Russian general staff is mad after the subversion attempt made during the elections...

Backing down...They want a war themselves now....

there is a huge difference between wanting something and being able to afford one.

reply to post by victor7


study the mass civil defence network in Russia. Russia can survive a mass nuclear exchange with 40-50% of its population. West will be totally destroyed.

Things are getting very hot now.

reply to post by victor7


Assad was reforming already and had plans to leave in 2014.Muslim brotherhood changed it and is being sponsored by West.

A lot of propaganda is being printed against Syria.