Russian, French warships off Syria, Iran, US drones over Iranian coast

Originally posted by TiM3LoRd
more empty threats and posturing by the military. Wouldn't surprise me if this was all theater to keep peoples mind off the fact that the entire world economy is broke.

I don't get that. How can the whole world be broke? Surely there's the same amount of money in the world now as there was when there was no recession. It can only be a redistribution of wealth. So is one mans recession not another mans financial boom?

It's not as if we're sending money to mars away from this planet.

Money i.e. paper is worthless anyway so folks are only broke if someone says the paper is worthless. Its all arbitrary.

Originally posted by hey1212

Originally posted by TiM3LoRd
more empty threats and posturing by the military. Wouldn't surprise me if this was all theater to keep peoples mind off the fact that the entire world economy is broke.

I don't get that. How can the whole world be broke? Surely there's the same amount of money in the world now as there was when there was no recession. It can only be a redistribution of wealth. So is one mans recession not another mans financial boom?

It's not as if we're sending money to mars away from this planet.

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Money is going into black markets,inflation and banks.Its draining the lifeblood of the economy

Originally posted by victor7

Originally posted by Patriotsrevenge

Originally posted by THE_PROFESSIONAL
This got interesting. The Russians have the best missile technology and their supercavitating torpedoes are unstoppable. I surely know they have the ability to wreak havoc on the HMS Daring and perhaps a few US Naval vessels. The question is how much are they willing to side with Iran. Is this the beginning of the Gog-Magog war? Sure seems like it.

So when are you moving back to Russia? If I hear oh and the Uber Russia Super cavitation Torpedoes are unstoppable one more time I am going to laugh myself right out of this chair. Russia has a horrible track record of losing butt-loads of military equipment to U.S. bombs, missiles and just about everything else.

The only thing that allows them any credibility is their massive nuclear arsenal. The U.S. just did a practice Naval exercise with them so I really don't see Russia losing any sleep for Iran or Syria. Russia wont like losing its Naval base in Syria but they will either get a prearranged agreement with the U.S. forces to leave as its only a six day visit or they could be blown the hell out of the water by Israel but like I said, this is not in Russia's best interest stand up to NATO at this time and Obama is to chicken shat to sink a Russian ship.

I doubt the U.S. will be bombing Syria at all as Israel can easily knock that terd out. Besides the U.S. doesn't get mentioned in the Gog-Magog war and that's what this will be. Remember, Obama is a jackal and I think he will bail on Israel when Russia gets involved. Sadly that will force Israel to go nuclear and with all the ABM systems in house that will be bad for Russia and the invading Arab armies.

Buddy what are you talking about regarding Russia vrs Israel. It will take only 1 Megaton Hydrogen Nuke from Russia and Israel will be nothing but ash. They can only retaliate via submarine missiles but Russians are clever enough to kill them before anything else. Would US go to war against Russia for Israel and face the same fate and exchange monster nukes which results in western Europe facing the same fate as Israel? New Russian military doctrine openly says that Russia will use tactical nukes to stop advancing armies as its conventional forces are in a low grade state and quality wise are outnumbered probably 10 to 1.

Do you how much damage can 1 Megaton Thermonuclear Bomb do? It takes out not only cities but big chunks of geographical regions.

Can't believe that just because Iranians spoke some tough crap about Israel, the whole world is facing a thermonuclear WW III. Leaders like Obama, Hillary, Nethayahu, Sarkozy, Cameroon ............ all should be rounded up, publically stripped, harshly spanked, whipped and kicked out of the offices before they hurt common global citizens who are already struggling to make ends meet.

However, it would be nice gesture if Iranian leadership, both political and religious, comes out and declares that nukes or no nukes, Israel has nothing to fear from Iran and should even come out and offer a mutual 'no use nuke agreement' to Israel. This will dissipate lots of tensions and might even send warships sailing home from the Persian Gulf for maintenance related repairs and peaceful vacation.

edit on 9-1-2012 by victor7 because: (no reason given)

Why do you guys think Russia will nuke Israel? Why? So it will protect a trading partner I wonder how trade would be after that. Russia has oil, natural gas and rare earth minerals. Its going to wipe out a country and risk a nuclear exchange for selling a couple of million in weapons? You guys are on crack.

Bill

Why would Ruissia nuke Israel? Israel has second strike capability. Bye-bye Moscow, and many others.

Originally posted by princeofpeace
Why would Ruissia nuke Israel? Israel has second strike capability. Bye-bye Moscow, and many others.

Moscow has a ABM system and vast network of civil defence.

So? Israel has Mossad and nukes already on Russian soil most likely.

Originally posted by mkgandhas

Originally posted by princeofpeace
Why would Ruissia nuke Israel? Israel has second strike capability. Bye-bye Moscow, and many others.

Moscow has a ABM system and vast network of civil defence.

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Farenheit 451 ends with atomic bombs destroying the main character's city.

Just sayin'.

Originally posted by princeofpeace
So? Israel has Mossad and nukes already on Russian soil most likely.

Originally posted by mkgandhas

Originally posted by princeofpeace
Why would Ruissia nuke Israel? Israel has second strike capability. Bye-bye Moscow, and many others.

Moscow has a ABM system and vast network of civil defence.

edit on 10-1-2012 by princeofpeace because: (no reason given)

And russia has bioweapons and nukes on western soil .So?

Israel will cease to exist if it does something stupid with russia.

Ok both Russia and Israel have nukes, why would they use them on each other? You guys talk H-bombs are like throwing rocks. There is planet wide consequences for using them. Do you guys really think either side would use them? Do you think Russia would nuke Israel over Syria? Do you think China would nuke US over Iran? Nobody wins, nobody. You cant bilk the population out of trillions and you cant control a burnt out cinder. They will do just enough to make money off of it and to push the agenda further just like they have always done.

Just a thought.

Bill

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Russia has a major naval base in Syria.An attack on Syria by NATO or Israel is an attack on Russian interests and thus Russia itself.Russia has a massive civil defence network too.

Russia will start pre-emptive nuclear strike and most Israeli nukes are aimed at Arabs ,a handful like 3-4 are aimed at Russia.

Our warships ect are sent over as precaution in any circumstance that poses threat?, I very much doubt a war is due in a few days, I think more heavy sanctions and chance of peace is still available, We need to show force first. we are just practicing and climatizing to the area. DONT PANIC.

And as for Russia, Well im not to sure they will want to get involved to be honest, They arn't finished recovering from previous wars barely lol, Just because a country is friendly with our enemy does'nt mean they are automaticaly going to get involved.

Originally posted by mkgandhas
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Russia has a major naval base in Syria.An attack on Syria by NATO or Israel is an attack on Russian interests and thus Russia itself.Russia has a massive civil defence network too.

Russia will start pre-emptive nuclear strike and most Israeli nukes are aimed at Arabs ,a handful like 3-4 are aimed at Russia.

So Russia will start a nuke war over Syria? I`m pretty sure Israel is more conserned about Iran right now. Russia didnt do anything when they went in and took out Syrias research reactor. I feel as long as Israel dosnt go after the Russian base it should be safe from reprisals. The Syrians no doubt would attack Isreal while it was busy with Iran. Seems like the boys in charge are getting nervous about Ron Paul getting in and having our troops and navy pulled back to home port and Paul using diplomacy over bullets.


Bill

Israel has ICBMs. Israel has subs with nuclear missiles. Israel has one of the best anti-missile defense shields in the world. Why would Russia risk losing say 10-20 of its largest population centers by hitting Israel? It would be suicide. Israel is a small country but is a Big Boy nuclear power with upwards of 400 of them. Russia would cease to exist.

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The subs are diesel meant for littoral waters.Israel has IRBM's not long range ICBM and Israel's has about 200 nukes.Secondly most of its nukes are aimed at middle east,not Russia.And the Jerichos are aimed at european capitals in EU and Russia.

cease to exist??? ] Is this a joke? At most Israel might manage to destroy 2-3 cities in Russia. Russia will obliterate it off the map if Israel dared something stupid.

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Syria's research reactor ? Is there is any thorough evidence like radioactive emissions?? or classification of the reactor.Secondly Russia has a mutual cooperation and defence treaty with Syria since soviet era.

Will lead to nuclear war.

israel taking russia is just completely absurd. no matter what many of you say or wanna think there are only 3. that is right 3. there is only 3 superpowers in the world. usa, russia and china. russia is the number 2 superpower no matter what you may think. china is not new but they are new to the current arms race. so they are only a superpower by population. they are coming around with the technology. but these 3 can only compete with each other. period end of story. and imo they cancel each other out in the course of a war. there would be no winners, only losers. this isnt peewee football, this is real life, and in this scenario there is just no way one or the other can win. no one can win in a global nuclear winter. and as an american i can tell you, we would obliterate the world if it meant giving up our freedoms to any country in the world. plus our own politicians are taking our freedoms without a fight. americans would nuke, and i believe that russia feels the same. nuke em before complete defeat. it is what it is.

Ummmm Jericho 3 (ICBM)?

It is estimated that the Jericho III entered service in 2008. The Jericho III is believed to have a three-stage solid propellant and a payload of 1,000 to 1,300 kg. It is possible for the missile to be equipped with a single 750 kg nuclear warhead or two or three low yield MIRV warheads. It has an estimated launch weight of 30,000 kg and a length of 15.5 m with a width of 1.56 m. It may be similar to an upgraded and re-designed Shavit space launch vehicle, produced by Israel Aerospace Industries. It probably has longer first and second-stage motors. It is estimated that it has a range of 4,800 to 11,500 km [7] (2,982 to 7,180 miles).

According to an official report which was submitted to the American congress in 2004,[7] it may be that with a payload of 1,000 kg the Jericho III gives Israel nuclear strike capabilities within the entire Middle East, Africa, Europe, Asia and almost all parts of North America, as well as within large parts of South America and North Oceania. MissileThreat.com reports: "The range of the Jericho 3 also provides an extremely high impact speed for nearby targets, enabling it to avoid any Anti-Ballistic Missile (ABM) defenses that may develop in the immediate region."

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estimated to have range of 4800-11500 km. Estimated is key.Not official.Any official proof??
en.wikipedia.org...

No official proof...

Originally posted by mkgandhas
reply to post by Camperguy

 

Syria's research reactor ? Is there is any thorough evidence like radioactive emissions?? or classification of the reactor.Secondly Russia has a mutual cooperation and defence treaty with Syria since soviet era.

Will lead to nuclear war.

NTI link

Syria's nuclear program has come under significant international scrutiny since Israel's September 2007 airstrike on Al-Kibar (referred to as Dair Alzour in IAEA documents), a site alleged by Israeli and American officials to have been an undeclared plutonium production reactor. An IAEA investigation into the matter is ongoing, with progress hindered by limited Syrian cooperation. Furthermore, IAEA inspectors discovered the presence of undeclared anthropogenic uranium particles at the SRR-1 in 2008 and 2009.[1] The investigation is ongoing, but the most recent information provided by Syria indicates that the particles originated from undeclared yellowcake conversion activities in 2004.[2]

Lots of info out there really,

Bill