You are wrong about Iran.

Originally posted by IranianBoy
Yes, you zionists are always hiding behind these tear-provoking stories

Tear provoking stories? ..

If it's anyone hiding, it's you. You didn't even address his post, but chose to denounce it, make up something about tear provoking tactics, then use the same tactic yourself.

Can't there be a single Anti-USA/Israel/West person that cares to actually debate the topic, rather than make up stereotypes and use them as an attack card?

Let me guess.. soon you'll whine about how you are misunderstood.

reply to post by IsraeliGuy


To be fair mate, with names like Israeliguy, and Iranianboy, there might be some people that might judge you even before you made a post. Not me, just saying, the names chose might lead to people understanding wrongly.

vvv

Iran is extremely intolerable against home-sexuality. It's just despicable.

Some Human rights activists and opponents of the Iranian regime claim between 4,000 and 6,000 gay men and lesbians have been executed in Iran for crimes related to their sexual preference since 1970

In 2007, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, speaking to Columbia University, said that homosexuality does not exist in Iran, though a spokesperson later stated that his comments were misunderstood.[2] Homosexuality is a crime punishable by imprisonment, corporal punishment, or in some cases of sodomy, even execution of the accused is legal under the laws of this country's theocratic Islamic government.[3] Any type of sexual activity outside a heterosexual marriage is forbidden.

en.wikipedia.org...-Islamic_period

Even though I oppose any military intervention, I completely despise this nations regime. I will never choose it's side.

When even the most mundane things such as sexual preference cannot be expressed in freedom, then you are truly still a barbaric nation.

Originally posted by superman2012

Originally posted by Frira

Originally posted by FOXMULDER147

Originally posted by RizeorDie
The jew controls USA, but it can never control the Islamic republic.

Look at the map above - I wouldn't be too confident. Iran is utterly surrounded.

We have had this discussion.

Show the location of the former Soviet bases.

Indicate which of the American bases are there at the request of those governments, and for how long.

Then, and only then will that map indicate anything worth discussing-- LIKE HISTORY!... and then you will not want to discuss it-- until it gets posted again ...
* as if not already discussed;
* as if you do not know the dishonesty if its presentation--
and in hopes that bright educated persons will not descend upon the thread and point out the historically obvious to the bunch of blog-sucking morons who have not a clue of anything that ever happened in the world prior to 2001.

Harsh letter follows.

Like I said, we have had this discussion before-- and it will go the same way.

This has nothing to do with the current situation in Iran. Most of the 9/11 terrorists were from Saudi Arabia, none were from Iran or Iraq. There is no current reason for the economic sanctions besides what I have stated before.

Correct! And you just added the map to your OP because you liked the pretty colors?

Dishonest presentation -- it none the less suits your agenda-- and so you used it.

That is my point. Which you just conceded.

There is no "discussion" when the agenda trumps the facts.

And when you get buried in facts which call you out and expose your dishonesty-- you (or another) will start another thread, so as to erase the facts from the discussion and try again with your propaganda.

Here was DJW001's analysis: www.abovetopsecret.com...

And here is mine: www.abovetopsecret.com...

Originally posted by dadgad
Iran is extremely intolerable against home-sexuality. It's just despicable.

Some Human rights activists and opponents of the Iranian regime claim between 4,000 and 6,000 gay men and lesbians have been executed in Iran for crimes related to their sexual preference since 1970

In 2007, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, speaking to Columbia University, said that homosexuality does not exist in Iran, though a spokesperson later stated that his comments were misunderstood.[2] Homosexuality is a crime punishable by imprisonment, corporal punishment, or in some cases of sodomy, even execution of the accused is legal under the laws of this country's theocratic Islamic government.[3] Any type of sexual activity outside a heterosexual marriage is forbidden.

en.wikipedia.org...-Islamic_period

Even though I oppose any military intervention, I completely despise this nations regime. I will never choose it's side.

When even the most mundane things such as sexual preference cannot be expressed in freedom, then you are truly still a barbaric nation.

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edit on 9-1-2012 by dadgad because: (no reason given)

This!

Thank you. My sentiments exactly.

Originally posted by superman2012

Originally posted by nightbringr
While I do not advocate the bombing of Iran, I am certainly aware of their brutal human rights record.

All we have to do is look at their leadership. Famously announcing in front of the whole world at a UN convention that there are "no gays in Iran", shortly after publicly hanging teenage gay men with the explicit permission of the government is a sure sign of a very sick government.

You should check out the US's human rights record as well. Not just the US, but every country.

Would you mind comparing in contrast a recent example to the hanging of a teen boy for no other reason but because he is gay?

And don't bring up unauthorized torture victims.

I eagerly await your reply.


-Alien

Iran just convicted a former American marine to death for accusing Him of being a CIA spy.

www.cnn.com...

Originally posted by newyorkee
good luck with this as far as getting the truth out....they will call you naive the way people did when we spoke out against Iraq......we are anti-American....we are anti-Semites....we are scum for asking for facts...and denying lies...

If you say anything too truthful...your post will be removed....they will gang up on you when you sign off...and totally skew the argument of peace....in the end calling YOU a war monger.....funny.....the same people that love to see the USA bankrupt....policing a world that is not OURS...in so much as we don't OWN it and have no right to tell other sovereign nations what to do.....

so in a world of CIA interference.....secret prisons...torture....and theft of tax moneys for a war machine always bent on justifying BS wars.....you are the enemy for trying to speak reason about a small group of wealthy people that bought world leadership.....

it's funny how on a conspiracy site.....everyone just says....naaaa....CIA.....naaaa they don't exist....Iran has never had CIA involvement in demonizing them or the situation or exaggerating the real threat.....

just like Iraq....and every other BS war we have fought......every generation of the USA has had a war....why...
It's not because MONEY and POWER are secured for TPTB over our dead bodies...no...it is really justified....this time we swear.....I mean.....Israel....come on....poor them....they can't defend themselves....they need BILLIONS of dollars and TONS of military equipment....sent over there at our expense.....it is the "right" thing to do....

I am sick of the people advocating WAR and then calling US enemies of peace....please....you are not posting on FOX news's site.....we are all skeptics here...or at least I thought....I am surprised the amount of nutters that are here....they can support ET´s and all but doubting the CIA or PTB had anything to do with yet another war being shoved down our throat....thats too much......you anti-Semite.......sick

edit on 9-1-2012 by newyorkee because: bite me

If this website is contributed to by the CIA, they sure are doing a lackluster job of responding or even refuting anything I have listed.

reply to post by UnlimitedSky

Why is it that the USA can have all these military camps in other countries? I can't imagine South Africa allowing Zimbabwe (for instance) to have military camps on our home ground? How is this achieved by the USA and how on earth is it justified?? Please switch on the lights for me on this one. I have always been to embarresed to ask, but perhaps you will kindly ignore my uneducated lack of knowledge.

The USA can have all these military camps in other countries because, most of the time, in my opinion, they have a big military, big economy, and they can go there and say, " hey, do you have a problem letting us set up a base here? We'll be your friend!". Either that or the other countries have an alliance with the USA and that is one of their clauses, or the country asks them.

You are wrong about Iran

No ... I'm very sure I've got the leadership of Iran figured out.
In the mean time ... here's some reading for ya'll ...
Iran Preparing Serious Cyber Attack Against US from Latin America.

Originally posted by IranianBoy
reply to post by Dembow

 

reply to post by superman2012

 

I am an iranian and its my firt post on this site. First when i was casting a look at your comments, most of them were just like some sentences made by people who indeen are not aware of iranian people attitudes and issues from inside Iran. Oh you are just watching the matter from above the house! I am inside. listen to me, we ARE hateful of American policies(those aimed at us) because every move that American government is to take, makes us remember bitter memories of America's interference to seek just his own advantages.Surely we like American PEOPLE. We know you as open-minded people who are kind and friendly. Mosadegh was overthrown by your government, Shah and his secret intelligence servise(SAVAK) tortured our people to death and our oil was stolen! , we just remember your government's vicious activities in Iran, we remember America's support of Shah even when he slaughtered iranian people, we know about your government's double policies, look at Bahrain! the king is just killing, torturing people but your media is just off about the issues that do not serve your government's interests, we remember WWII when western countries occupied our land and one third of our people DIED out of hunger because our stupid king at that time was just a tool at the hands of England and America and was feeding foreign troops. we know that your government is angry at every progress that is made in this land. i also hate those like Taliban who are just a bunch of murderers. We iranian want to stand on our own feet, independent, soemthing that your government is going to deprive us of. We have created Hizbollah to defeat those zionists who are committing whatever crime.

Yes, I want to hear from you as well, however, please stick to the topic being discussed. Don't muddy the waters. What do you think of the current sanctions and how do they affect you? Do you think your government is going to do the right thing? What is the right thing in your opinion? Do you believe this is all about oil, or is it really about your nuclear program? What reasons have you heard for Iran not following the NPT? Please let me know the answers to the questions I have asked.

PS- I am from Canada, I stand behind the American people as well, just not their government.

Originally posted by dadgad
Iran is extremely intolerable against home-sexuality. It's just despicable.

Some Human rights activists and opponents of the Iranian regime claim between 4,000 and 6,000 gay men and lesbians have been executed in Iran for crimes related to their sexual preference since 1970

In 2007, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, speaking to Columbia University, said that homosexuality does not exist in Iran, though a spokesperson later stated that his comments were misunderstood.[2] Homosexuality is a crime punishable by imprisonment, corporal punishment, or in some cases of sodomy, even execution of the accused is legal under the laws of this country's theocratic Islamic government.[3] Any type of sexual activity outside a heterosexual marriage is forbidden.

en.wikipedia.org...-Islamic_period

Even though I oppose any military intervention, I completely despise this nations regime. I will never choose it's side.

When even the most mundane things such as sexual preference cannot be expressed in freedom, then you are truly still a barbaric nation.

edit on 9-1-2012 by dadgad because: (no reason given)

edit on 9-1-2012 by dadgad because: (no reason given)

More children were murdered in the US during that same time...ATTENTION: THIS THREAD IS NOT ABOUT HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATIONS, THIS ABOUT EXACTLY WHAT I STATED IN THE FIRST TWO SENTENCES OF THIS THREAD. IF YOU HAVE NOTHING TO OFFER THIS THREAD AFTER READING THE FIRST TWO SENTENCES, THEN FEEL FREE TO LEAVE. Thank you.

Originally posted by FlyersFan

You are wrong about Iran

No ... I'm very sure I've got the leadership of Iran figured out.
In the mean time ... here's some reading for ya'll ...
Iran Preparing Serious Cyber Attack Against US from Latin America.

edit on 1/9/2012 by FlyersFan because: (no reason given)

Typical...so set in your ways. Did you forget about this? Your country can dish it out but it can't take it? Typical bully.

Originally posted by Alien Abduct

Originally posted by superman2012

Originally posted by nightbringr
While I do not advocate the bombing of Iran, I am certainly aware of their brutal human rights record.

All we have to do is look at their leadership. Famously announcing in front of the whole world at a UN convention that there are "no gays in Iran", shortly after publicly hanging teenage gay men with the explicit permission of the government is a sure sign of a very sick government.

You should check out the US's human rights record as well. Not just the US, but every country.

Would you mind comparing in contrast a recent example to the hanging of a teen boy for no other reason but because he is gay?

And don't bring up unauthorized torture victims.

I eagerly await your reply.


-Alien

Did I say I had a recent or any example of the hanging of a teen boy for no other reason but because he is gay? I said "check out the US's human rights record as well.". Might want to check into child murder in your country junior...especially Texas. Should the UN move in? Or another country? No. This thread is about the first two sentences in my opening post. Please stick to that.

Originally posted by superman2012
If this website is contributed to by the CIA, they sure are doing a lackluster job of responding or even refuting anything I have listed.

Maybe im CIA then?

You admitted you agreed to most of my counter-points.

Originally posted by Frira

Originally posted by superman2012

Originally posted by Frira

Originally posted by FOXMULDER147

Originally posted by RizeorDie
The jew controls USA, but it can never control the Islamic republic.

Look at the map above - I wouldn't be too confident. Iran is utterly surrounded.

We have had this discussion.

Show the location of the former Soviet bases.

Indicate which of the American bases are there at the request of those governments, and for how long.

Then, and only then will that map indicate anything worth discussing-- LIKE HISTORY!... and then you will not want to discuss it-- until it gets posted again ...
* as if not already discussed;
* as if you do not know the dishonesty if its presentation--
and in hopes that bright educated persons will not descend upon the thread and point out the historically obvious to the bunch of blog-sucking morons who have not a clue of anything that ever happened in the world prior to 2001.

Harsh letter follows.

Like I said, we have had this discussion before-- and it will go the same way.

This has nothing to do with the current situation in Iran. Most of the 9/11 terrorists were from Saudi Arabia, none were from Iran or Iraq. There is no current reason for the economic sanctions besides what I have stated before.

Correct! And you just added the map to your OP because you liked the pretty colors?

Dishonest presentation -- it none the less suits your agenda-- and so you used it.

That is my point. Which you just conceded.

There is no "discussion" when the agenda trumps the facts.

And when you get buried in facts which call you out and expose your dishonesty-- you (or another) will start another thread, so as to erase the facts from the discussion and try again with your propaganda.

Here was DJW001's analysis: www.abovetopsecret.com...

And here is mine: www.abovetopsecret.com...

So you are denying that the US is threatening Iran? Please show how I have started another thread to erase the facts from discussion? Your accusations are making your credibility fall faster than Obama's approval rating. I have never seen you before, but, if you are anything like DJW001, than I have to say that I expect this from you then. Stay on topic please. Read the first two lines of the opening post if you are still confused.

Originally posted by nightbringr

Originally posted by superman2012
If this website is contributed to by the CIA, they sure are doing a lackluster job of responding or even refuting anything I have listed.

Maybe im CIA then?

You admitted you agreed to most of my counter-points.

Silly, no one has ever heard of Canadian intelligence!

Originally posted by superman2012
More children were murdered in the US during that same time...

But once again the important thing to remember is these are murders carried out by sick individuals. These are not murders carried out with the explicit permission of the government! This is a very important distinction. If you do not understand why that is so important, you truely have no clue.

Iran hangs homosexuals with the permission of the government. That is so very wrong and evil on so many levels.

Originally posted by superman2012

Originally posted by nightbringr

Originally posted by superman2012
If this website is contributed to by the CIA, they sure are doing a lackluster job of responding or even refuting anything I have listed.

Maybe im CIA then?

You admitted you agreed to most of my counter-points.

Silly, no one has ever heard of Canadian intelligence!

Maybe im lieing about where im from. Maybe im CSIS?

CSIS IS Canadian intelligence. And yes, we do spy on other nations.

Originally posted by nightbringr

Originally posted by superman2012
More children were murdered in the US during that same time...

But once again the important thing to remember is these are murders carried out by sick individuals. These are not murders carried out with the explicit permission of the government! This is a very important distinction. If you do not understand why that is so important, you truely have no clue.

Iran hangs homosexuals with the permission of the government. That is so very wrong and evil on so many levels.

edit on 9-1-2012 by nightbringr because: (no reason given)

It is their way of life, their religion, their mores, their morals, their values. I don't agree with it either, but, if we don't let nations act in the way that they feel is best for their citizens, then we are giving all western nations free reign to go into any country that doesn't believe exactly what they believe. So why not have a one world government then? That is exactly what you are advocating. I don't agree with that either.