You are wrong about Iran.

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Why isn't there a star on Jordan, doesn't US have a military base in Jordan? That being said, the "death to America" slogan is just a slogan which expresses the Iranian frustration and anger towards the US regime which has been hostile towards Iran since the revolution. It in no way refers to the American people.

Iranians blame the US regime for the brutal dictatorship of the Shah, Iranians blame the US regime for the regime change which ended the Democratic phase in Iran, Iranians blame the US regime for the sanctions, the continuous insults against their way of life, the continuous threats, assassinations, sponsoring terrorists in Pakistan and Iraq against Iran, the invasion of their neighbors, the suffering of Palestinians, the suffering their neighbors received through US occupations, economic policies aimed against Iran, the continuous attacks against Iranian rights in the International arena (ie the right to acquire peaceful nuclear energy).... The list of reasons to be mad at US regime can fill a book, just read US history, even Americans should be angry at US regime, remember when US started testing Chemical weapons on its own soldiers? But ignorance is a bless I suppose..

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Israel is not obligated to sign the NPD, secondly Israel is not the one who is going around threatening their enemies they'll wipe them off the face of the earth with nuclear weaponry, thirdly Israel and the USA are not only very close allies but also partners in Intelligence and some areas of the military technology. Israel is so intertwined, it's more complicated than you realise.

I'm sure the Americans don't allow the NPD in to top secret locations where nuclear weaponry is being stored - and let's face it - the USA is the only country in the world who has used them. So who should we trust the most with nuclear weaponry? I'd trust Israel long before I trust the USA with them.

These "death to America" demonstrations in Iran are only in attendance of afew thousand people. The population of Iran is approx 74 million. Hellooooooooooooooooooo!

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Israel has wiped out 500 Palestinian villages, it is important to note that actions speak louder than words, and also important to note that words can easily be distorted.

Originally posted by nightbringr

Originally posted by RizeorDie

Originally posted by nightbringr

Originally posted by superman2012

Originally posted by nightbringr
While I do not advocate the bombing of Iran, I am certainly aware of their brutal human rights record.

All we have to do is look at their leadership. Famously announcing in front of the whole world at a UN convention that there are "no gays in Iran", shortly after publicly hanging teenage gay men with the explicit permission of the government is a sure sign of a very sick government.

You should check out the US's human rights record as well. Not just the US, but every country.

Your point is?

I'm quite aware the US is corrupt in the extreme. Does that mean I cannot say the same about Iran? At least we don't publicly hang homosexuals with the governments permission.

America is a big puppet and tool used to ensure Israels supremacy over the Middle East region. Iran is the thorn in the eyes of the extremist jews and christians.

This has nothing to do with Irans homo society, this is about jew supremacy. The jew controls USA, but it can never control the Islamic republic.

Do you deny that the hung gays in the street and Ahmadinejad declared "No gays in Iran"?

I suppose the big, bad Zionists paid Ahmadinejad to say that to serve their purposes then?

edit on 8-1-2012 by nightbringr because: (no reason given)

No the big bad Zionist paid for his speeches to be mistranslated. They do this because Israel is unwilling to face Iran on their own.

Originally posted by bluemirage5
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Israel is not obligated to sign the NPD, secondly Israel is not the one who is going around threatening their enemies they'll wipe them off the face of the earth with nuclear weaponry, thirdly Israel and the USA are not only very close allies but also partners in Intelligence and some areas of the military technology. Israel is so intertwined, it's more complicated than you realise.

I'm sure the Americans don't allow the NPD in to top secret locations where nuclear weaponry is being stored - and let's face it - the USA is the only country in the world who has used them. So who should we trust the most with nuclear weaponry? I'd trust Israel long before I trust the USA with them.

These "death to America" demonstrations in Iran are only in attendance of afew thousand people. The population of Iran is approx 74 million. Hellooooooooooooooooooo!

edit on 8-1-2012 by bluemirage5 because: (no reason given)

Israel will sell nukes to whomever has the money including places like Apartheid South Africa. Anyone who would sell to places like that should be stripped of all nukes.

This is my reply to another Iran thread, I believe it serves a purpose here:

We know, that once sanctions fail, the US has to either act or back down. In this case I see action is more likely, not just to obtain its national goals in relation to Iran, but also to simply not lose face. We have seen limited diplomacy, then international diplomacy designed to engage the international community to condemn Iran and get support for the US, then we have seen further sanctions and recently we have seen gun-boat diplomacy (the US carrier passing through the strait of Hormuz). Even though the strait of Hormuz incident is unrelated to the nuclear program (i.e. the US passed through when Iran threatened closure) it is still related indirectly (i.e. Iran threatened closure due to new sanctions).

Make no mistake, the actions the US is undertaking are detremental to itself. Blowing this out of proportion and acting as if it is the end of the world only isolates Iran and closes a diplomatic option (which hasn't been properly utilized as Obama promised too). Threats of military coercion will not stop Iran. When a weaker power is backed into a corner by a stronger power, it will at a point, act to defend its intersts. If Iran backed down now, not only would it set precedent for future US-Iran relations, but Iran would also lose face as a regional power and most importantly appear weak domestically, threatening the integrity of the Islamic Regime. The US needs smart and responsible foreign policy proffesionals to deal with this. It seems as if Obama, has either hired someone who is inexpirienced or is a neocon to deal with Iran.

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You mention your surprise that the US is not invading Israel, North Korea, India, or Pakistan. There are two large differences between them and Iran. One, they already have nuclear weapons. Iran claims it doesn't. Two, those countries are not violating terms of a signed NPT, Iran is.

Thank you for responding to this thread in a very respectful manner, from what I have seen of your posts that is something you do quite regularly.

In regards to the above quote, most of those countries(in that list) that have nuclear weapons have harbored or do harbor terrorists. Those countries are not violating terms of a signed NPT, but one of them actually dropped out of the agreement, North Korea. Wouldn't that be close to the same as signing it and not following it? If it isn't than I hope that Iran drops out as well.

Also, in regards to your post. If the NPT is not followed to the letter, whether the US does not follow a tiny fraction of it, why should any country follow any of it? If the US is the aggressor when it comes to Iran, shouldn't they lead by example?

Originally posted by britelite1971
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Iran sounds like an awesome place to live, at least according to you. Why don't you live there if it's so great? Perhaps a little hiking near their border should do the trick.

Anything to add in regards to this thread? If you have nothing constructive to add, go to facebook.

PS- After seeing this thread I do think it is a beautiful place to live...if you didn't have to worry about a war mongering nation ready to invade anyone for oil.

Edit: Here is another thread showing the beauty of Iran.

Originally posted by k1k1to
the universe has one big giant problem...


its called the middle east.....and how do we end all the problems and conflicts?




NUKE EM ALL!

No. The universe has one big giant problem, and that is war mongers. Thank you for providing a very great example.

Originally posted by Frira

Originally posted by FOXMULDER147

Originally posted by RizeorDie
The jew controls USA, but it can never control the Islamic republic.

Look at the map above - I wouldn't be too confident. Iran is utterly surrounded.

We have had this discussion.

Show the location of the former Soviet bases.

Indicate which of the American bases are there at the request of those governments, and for how long.

Then, and only then will that map indicate anything worth discussing-- LIKE HISTORY!... and then you will not want to discuss it-- until it gets posted again ...
* as if not already discussed;
* as if you do not know the dishonesty if its presentation--
and in hopes that bright educated persons will not descend upon the thread and point out the historically obvious to the bunch of blog-sucking morons who have not a clue of anything that ever happened in the world prior to 2001.

Harsh letter follows.

Like I said, we have had this discussion before-- and it will go the same way.

This has nothing to do with the current situation in Iran. Most of the 9/11 terrorists were from Saudi Arabia, none were from Iran or Iraq. There is no current reason for the economic sanctions besides what I have stated before.

I'm American and I want nothing to do with any of this. I dont want a war. I dont want to be Israels friend. I dont want to be Irans friend either. I'm tired of the events of my life having to be based off bitter fools ion the other side of the planet. I am so sick and tired of having to hear about the stupid middleeast all day every day for the last 30 got dang years.

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Dear superman2012,

I appreciate your kindness, and thank you for your response. From your posts, and others, I have gained a desire to travel to the Middle East and stay for a time with some ATSer there. I think I would learn a lot.

I agree with your comments concerning the treaty. I think Iran would be seen more favorably if it either 1) kept the treaty, or 2) cancelled it. The path they've taken is the worst of the three.

Your question about following the NPT gave me a thought. It reminded me of cars speeding on a highway. If one breaks the speed limit and doesn't get caught, that doesn't mean all the other cars can speed and get away with it.

But I have to admit confusion over this:

If the US is the aggressor when it comes to Iran, shouldn't they lead by example?

I'm not sure in what way the US or Iran is "the Aggressor." Does it do any good now to ask "Who started it?" And when you say "lead by example," do you mean by keeping the treaty?

I'm hoping for a change in the government and the foreign policy of both nations quickly. I don't know how to avoid war otherwise.

With respect,
Charles1952

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But I have to admit confusion over this:
If the US is the aggressor when it comes to Iran, shouldn't they lead by example?

I'm not sure in what way the US or Iran is "the Aggressor." Does it do any good now to ask "Who started it?" And when you say "lead by example," do you mean by keeping the treaty? I'm hoping for a change in the government and the foreign policy of both nations quickly. I don't know how to avoid war otherwise.

I state that the US is the aggressor as they are putting economic sanctions against a country where there is no proof that they are developing WMD...reminds me of Iraq and the aluminum tubes that were "proof" that they were developing WMD...until, whoops, we made a mistake that killed thousands of innocent civilians and thousands of troops that would have made great moms and dads. When you corner a caged animal, it fights back right? Regardless of the size of their aggressor.

When I say lead by example, I mean that the US and other countries condemning Iran should be held responsible to the NPT. Meaning that they should make sure that they are following it to the letter. Not straying by one line from what is written.

I also hope for the same as you.

Take care.

Originally posted by LongbottomLeaf
I'm American and I want nothing to do with any of this. I dont want a war. I dont want to be Israels friend. I dont want to be Irans friend either. I'm tired of the events of my life having to be based off bitter fools ion the other side of the planet. I am so sick and tired of having to hear about the stupid middleeast all day every day for the last 30 got dang years.

You sir, seem to be in the minority of Americans that post on these Iran threads. I wish you all the best in your future.

Well, it seems to me that Iran should be treating their extremist factions like criminals and turning them in. Right, we don't see that happening.

While i agree that no nation should have nuclear weapons, wishful thinking isn't going to change that. Nuclear weapons are the only deterrant to other nations that have them and refuse to give them up. That deterrant being that if they blow us to hell, just before their bombs hit us were going to launch our own back and and kill them off in return. So, in effect what we have is "treat us the way you want to be treated". If you want to be destroyed, by all means fire your nukes at us and we shall return the favor.

In essence were not really at war with Iran as a nation were more or less at war with their religion and even then their extremist factions who still boast that "convert or kill" Muhammadian doctrine.

I'd love for there to be world peace for eternity, but it's never going to happen because were human and not machines. Least it's not going to happen barring the return of the Messiah but this isn't really the forum for that and i don't want to derail the OP.

Humanity of it's own volition is not going to change. If we were going to change we would have done it long ago and it has not happened. So, the only option Iran has at this point is to give in to the "bullies" or to fight. It's a natural reaction for any nation that's feeling threatened to want to rise up and fight and personally i'd probably do the same if our positions were reversed. I don't think Iran is a threat to anyone personally because they have a 5th world military that is no threat to anyone and all the major world powers have technology that is vastly superior to theirs. I say give them nuclear weapons but let them know, if they launch their crap at anyone else, they will probably have some launched right back at them, but the only problem with that is that they have some suicidal zealots that would gladly hit that red button for Allah and that makes everyone else nervous.

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Thanks, Im just sick of war. People seem to forget people are dying, families are being torn apart. Its just all too much, I wish we had a reset button.

The Wars in the Middle East are over Who's gonna control the Oil................ PERIOD! Now I think we all know this but still we are talking about extremists and stuff because thats what they blast all over the news. Every country has extremist but that is just not what this war is about.

I hate that we are fighting over the Oil because we don't need it anymore. There have already been proven several ways around it, but because Oil is limited resource they want to control it and charge us accordingly.

good luck with this as far as getting the truth out....they will call you naive the way people did when we spoke out against Iraq......we are anti-American....we are anti-Semites....we are scum for asking for facts...and denying lies...

If you say anything too truthful...your post will be removed....they will gang up on you when you sign off...and totally skew the argument of peace....in the end calling YOU a war monger.....funny.....the same people that love to see the USA bankrupt....policing a world that is not OURS...in so much as we don't OWN it and have no right to tell other sovereign nations what to do.....

so in a world of CIA interference.....secret prisons...torture....and theft of tax moneys for a war machine always bent on justifying BS wars.....you are the enemy for trying to speak reason about a small group of wealthy people that bought world leadership.....

it's funny how on a conspiracy site.....everyone just says....naaaa....CIA.....naaaa they don't exist....Iran has never had CIA involvement in demonizing them or the situation or exaggerating the real threat.....

just like Iraq....and every other BS war we have fought......every generation of the USA has had a war....why...
It's not because MONEY and POWER are secured for TPTB over our dead bodies...no...it is really justified....this time we swear.....I mean.....Israel....come on....poor them....they can't defend themselves....they need BILLIONS of dollars and TONS of military equipment....sent over there at our expense.....it is the "right" thing to do....

I am sick of the people advocating WAR and then calling US enemies of peace....please....you are not posting on FOX news's site.....we are all skeptics here...or at least I thought....I am surprised the amount of nutters that are here....they can support ET´s and all but doubting the CIA or PTB had anything to do with yet another war being shoved down our throat....thats too much......you anti-Semite.......sick

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Hi Superman,

Unlike you, I had absolutely no proof of, or even solid knowledge to support my very deep feeling that false info is being lined up to serve as an excuse to attack Iran. It just feels totally wrong. Again.
Could it be my deep resentment for the long history the USA has to look for trouble in some other country, and if not found, to create it? I don't know.

Of course, your thread here has now shed some light to support my gut feeling, which has been that it is about the oil of course.
But then, I did not fall for the 9/11 and understood from the 9/13 that it is an inside job with ulterior motives. It is totally off the conventional road of how I came to know this 2 days after the event. I was totally alone in my view at that stage and felt like a space cadette amongst every one else's condemnation of Muslims etc. If you are interested, I will post my extraordinary experience which I have treasured but now feel ready to share.

I am going to venture my head on a slaugher block, disregard my inhibitions and brave looking totally stupid by asking you something that has never made sense to me, but I really want to know:

Why is it that the USA can have all these military camps in other countries? I can't imagine South Africa allowing Zimbabwe (for instance) to have military camps on our home ground? How is this achieved by the USA and how on earth is it justified?? Please switch on the lights for me on this one. I have always been to embarresed to ask, but perhaps you will kindly ignore my uneducated lack of knowledge.

Quoted from prev poster: Israel will sell nukes to whomever has the money including places like Apartheid South Africa. Anyone who would sell to places like that should be stripped of all nukes.

Hey man, you are living in the past. Apartheid was abolished in like 1994! South Africa is not a 'places like that' and has not been for what.... 18 years!!!

although, we now have reversed 'apartheid'. - complex subject matter.... you will not understand.

What proof do you have that they sold us nukes????????