Jesus Christ is the son of the one and only God, our creator.

Interesting thread.

I believe in a higher power but not specifically God, someone or something had to have sparked the big bang and set this all off, the Universe I mean. The way I see it, human's need something to believe in, and not all of us want to believe in one thing, hence the development of all the religions we see today. It just seems selfish to declare that everyone needs to believe in Christianity, with all that we have learned through science and space exploration and now the Kepler telescope there's more and more reason to believe that we are not the only species in this huge universe. That being said, if we are indeed not alone, then said unknown species do not have a single idea about Christianity, so that makes them die in damnation because they dont know about it?

Originally posted by gabby2011
reply to post by yourboycal2

 

There have been blind people who have had their sight restored by saints. Many many cancers and tumors have miraculously disappeared after prayers of the faithful.

I suggest you read more about Padre Pio..and the 1000's of miracles he performed through his great faith and devotion to Jesus...and it actually wasn't him..it was Jesus.. but it was through a faith so strong that it literally caused many supernatural things to happen.

Padre Pio was a man of such great faith and devotion.. and spent literally hours and hours in the confessional daily for the salvation of souls. Through the power of the Holy Spirit this man could read souls..and no one could get away with lying to him..or tricking him. He could tell people exactly what they were going to confess before they did.

I could go on and on about the miracles that people have testified to.. through the faith in Jesus from very spirit filled people as well as saints.

Because you are not aware of these things happening does not mean they do not happen.

reply to post by DoctorSarvis


Interesting thread folks... this raises one question in my mind - Why does god continually refuse to perform his miracles on amputees? I can understand a soldier in a war getting his leg/arm severed and God saying 'not helping this one - sort it out yourselves'. But why not perform a miracle on an innocent child in Cambodia who got her leg blown off by a land mine?

If anyone can find me an example of a leg/arm/head growing back... geez that would make my day. Might even buy an nice Jesus effigy with some candles so I can pray and wake up without needing my glasses.



Now that I'm thinking about Jesus I had another question for someone who knows a lot about Jesus - If he really was a human, and he really was a carpenter, do you think he had to measure twice? I'm building a shed right now and I was thinking about how fast I could build if I was Jesus because (I would think, being perfect and all) that he would be a super-fast builder in relation to all the other carpenters, and would have been extremely profitable worker for his employer.

Any insight to my ponders would be greatly appreciated and help me sleep tonight after a cold day of hammering nails.

Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by gabby2011

 

The Father was gracious enough to allow part of the trinity to be the atonement for our sins...He basically offered Himself up on the alter of the earth in the holiest of sacrifices for the atonement for mankinds sins.

What?
Who exactly is this altar made to that Jesus was offered on?

The earth was created by the father.. and it is the human souls on it that Jesus came to die for.

I read somewhere that the heavenly Father looked at the earth as an alter that His son died on for the souls of the earth.

I hope you take no offense at the reference.. but I understood it the way my heart and mind did at the time..and thought it made sense.

Originally posted by heyitsphil
Interesting thread.

I believe in a higher power but not specifically God, someone or something had to have sparked the big bang and set this all off, the Universe I mean. The way I see it, human's need something to believe in, and not all of us want to believe in one thing, hence the development of all the religions we see today. It just seems selfish to declare that everyone needs to believe in Christianity, with all that we have learned through science and space exploration and now the Kepler telescope there's more and more reason to believe that we are not the only species in this huge universe. That being said, if we are indeed not alone, then said unknown species do not have a single idea about Christianity, so that makes them die in damnation because they dont know about it?

Jesus was the savior for mankind..How God deals with His other creations is between Him and those creations.

I was reading messages that are being given to a woman called maria.. very important messages concerning what is happening in our times...and what will happen.

This one message made me stop and think and realize how loving prayer is much more powerful then trying to teach...and how great the love of God is.

www.thewarningsecondcoming.com...

I have just started reading these messages..and there are pages of them..but for some reason felt compelled to share this one.. and I may share more in the future...thanks to colbe for making me aware of them..and i think colbe has posted quite a few links to these already.

I found this part spoke to my heart.

Never tell those of different creeds or sexual preferences they are doomed To push My teachings in a manner where you tell those who are not followers that they will perish or come to harm by brandishing their ways as ‘evil’ will simply render them weaker than before. Many will simply turn their backs on you. Then you will have failed. Instead of lecturing, show compassion. Teach through example. Never tell or attempt to say to these people that they are doomed in My eyes. Because they are not.

Embrace each other. Show compassion to each other. Don’t exclude anyone irrespective as to whether they are Catholics, Other Christian Denominations, Islam, Hindu, Jews, Buddhist – even those new cults which have emerged who do not believe in God, The Eternal Father. Pray for them. Teach them the importance of opening their hearts to the truth. Teach through example. Spread conversion. But never ever inflict judgement on others or attempt to differentiate yourself from those who do not understand the truth.

reply to post by gabby2011

.. but I understood it the way my heart and mind did at the time..

Feel free to modify your statement as you wish.
I'm not interested in holding you to an exact phrasing.
I, along with some other people who post on this forum, don't think it makes sense to have God offering His son to Himself.

reply to post by heyitsphil

. . . if we are indeed not alone, then said unknown species do not have a single idea about Christianity, so that makes them die in damnation because they dont know about it?

Do you mean people on another planet?
You think they would go to their own planet's hell for not believing in or even knowing about the Christ on this planet?
I would imagine that if another planet was in need of salvation, God would supply a Christ for that planet as well.
We have a Christ that God has given to us, on this planet, to believe in and there is only one name we are given through which to find salvation, and that is, Jesus.

Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by gabby2011

 

.. but I understood it the way my heart and mind did at the time..

Feel free to modify your statement as you wish.
I'm not interested in holding you to an exact phrasing.
I, along with some other people who post on this forum, don't think it makes sense to have God offering His son to Himself.

edit on 3-1-2012 by jmdewey60 because: (no reason given)

Thats fine.. You are free to see things your way.

Someday you may see things differently.

I don't expect you to agree with me.. and I fully accept your freedom to come to your own conclusions .

I choose to believe what I understand as truth...and have much to learn concerning Jesus and His grace.

But I am curious .. in that you say Jesus is the only way to God.. how you cannot see that the Father offered Him up for the salvation of our souls?

reply to post by phishyblankwaters

What makes your creator the one and only? That's quite egotistical in my opinion.

Are you submitting for possible acceptance, an alternate creator?
I would have to imagine that there is only one creator but a lot of different views as to what or who this person would be like.
I think the idea of religion in general is that a god created human life on this planet.
I think what the OP is suggesting is that who or what did that, also sent Jesus for us to become a better sort of people, the race of man on this planet.

reply to post by yourboycal2

Thats why its called blind faith . You can't demonstrate these todays where we can verify it . So you stick to old fairy tales , and accounts of people who think they are healed because of it . Its all power of suggestion , trickery , placebo effect , hypnosis. Can you heal a blind person with your faith today ? yes or no? I promise you i will convert , if i bring a blind person to you and you heal him with your faith ? Come on , i'm not asking you to move a mountain or drink poison. Very simple. Can you prayers heal a blind person if i bring u one?

You are starting to sound like Satan mocking Jesus in the desert..telling him to throw Himself off a cliff to prove that God would save Him.

On one hand ..you say.. show me a blind person being healed by faith and I will join.. yet when I give you examples of that actually happening.. where blind people were given back there sight..through the intercession and faith of Padre Pio.. you call them hoaxes and untrue?

There seems to be no winning with you.. as you taunt others to give you proof..and when proof is given...you call it a hoax..and will not credit Jesus for it anyhow.

In His mercy the Holy Spirit decides what miracles will happen...and the who and the why.

Clearly your heart may not be ready to see proof..because you have already mocked the proof given to you.

I will say this though.. you will see clearly the mercy of Christ someday..to its full extent.. we all will.. and we should prepare our hearts to be open to receiving it.

Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by gabby2011

 

.. but I understood it the way my heart and mind did at the time..

Feel free to modify your statement as you wish.
I'm not interested in holding you to an exact phrasing.
I, along with some other people who post on this forum, don't think it makes sense to have God offering His son to Himself.

edit on 3-1-2012 by jmdewey60 because: (no reason given)

Were not the offerings for atonement in the old testament made to the Father .

Does it not make sense that if Jesus was offered up for atonement for the sins of mankind ..that this most loving offering was by God ..through God..and for God.

reply to post by gabby2011

.. how you cannot see that the Father offered Him up for the salvation of our souls?

Think of the word, present, as in a birthday present, and what that word means and where it comes from. To present, as in presentation, like an awards ceremony and you are presented with a prize or a plaque or a certificate, or something.
Jesus was presented as an atonement. Next, you would have to think, what is an atonement? Think of a reconciliation. What would be the split which needed to be repaired? Between God, and man. So a reconciliation in this relationship but who split? Did God split away from man, or did man split away from God? The reconciliation is the drawing of man back to a relationship with God. So Jesus is presented to us as a reconciliation with God.
This view I just described would be in direct opposition with a view that in order to draw God to us, Jesus is killed and his blood somehow makes God happy and he accepts it as a payment. This second interpretation I find wrong and without support and I consider it a misinterpretation of the point that was trying to be made by Paul in his writings.

reply to post by jmdewey60

Jesus was presented as an atonement. Next, you would have to think, what is an atonement? Think of a reconciliation. What would be the split which needed to be repaired? Between God, and man. So a reconciliation in this relationship but who split? Did God split away from man, or did man split away from God. The reconciliation is the drawing of man back to a relationship with God. So Jesus is presented to us as a reconciliation with God.

I think you are misunderstanding the meaning behind my words..
yes ..Jesus was presented to us as reconciliation.... therefore what He did was for Gods intentions..which is what I meant by "for god"..

You're just reading it not the way it was intended.. or I am not making myself clear.

Either way.. the fact remains that we both see Jesus as our salvation.. so lets focus on that truth..

reply to post by gabby2011

Were not the offerings for atonement in the old testament made to the Father .

They were made to an altar but the highest form of an altar where the final atonement took place was the judgment seat of God on the Ark of the Covenant, a place which the name for was translated by Luther as, the Mercy Seat. Paul says now Jesus is that Mercy Seat, so it makes no sense for Jesus to be offered to himself.

reply to post by gabby2011

.. the fact remains that we both see Jesus as our salvation..

We offer ourselves, a living sacrifice, to Jesus.

Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by gabby2011

 

.. the fact remains that we both see Jesus as our salvation..

We offer ourselves, a living sacrifice, to Jesus.

That may be the one thing we agree on, JimDewey. To offer ourselves means that we realize that we are not in charge, we offer everything about us, including our intellect and worldview. It is very hard for humans to lay down their arrogance and pride and accept that as humans we must depend upon something greater than ourselves.

A lot of people search for that in nature, but we understand that through the fall, we have become dependent on nature when once we were supposed to be in charge of it. Adam was given the Divine Job to dress and keep the garden but failed and nature would no longer do what Adam needed it to do. His job had become to work for his bread by the sweat of his brow because the earth would now give thorns and weeds that will always compete in growth. When man sought the natural, he placed the natural in authority over him. That is why man has to fill natural needs on this earth. The earth that man was made from, now has dominion over him and only through the return to God, man places God over the spirit and man has dominion once again over his natural flesh.

Jesus Christ is the eternal rest from those hard labors. And this is done through the spirit of man. Whoever you lend your members to, is master over you. Guatama Buddha almost got it right, Epicurus almost got it right, and all those people who believed them almost got it right but they continue to struggle to pleasure the flesh and do not consider their spirits cry out in pain because their spirits desire fellowship with God once again.

I would rather serve a God that offers me fellowship with Him, rather than struggle forever on my own while my spirit lives in pain and agony because I choose to ignore it. All the people who respond in these threads because they don't believe in God are simply expressing what their inner man is feeling. They believe it quiets that inner man, but in fact, it makes them feel worse and they shout "God is not real, I do not need God" and attempt not to tell the unbelievers God does not exist, but us who believe in God. They still respond to the words of God, because their inner man desires fellowship.

Originally posted by FissionSurplus
reply to post by TheTruthCqer

 

If spiritual warfare has gone on since the time of Adam and Eve, would it not follow logically that this is part of the human condition? Hasn't it always been a fight between right and wrong? Light and darkness? Yin and yang?

The main problem I have with Christianity is their belief that, unless you accept Jesus as the Son of God, you will go to Hell. Explain to me how a God of Love would doom literally billions of people to hell, simply because they didn't hear about a certain religion in their lifetime.

I submit to you that there are as many paths to heaven as there are to hell. Christianity does not hold the only key and the rights to the only road up to the pearly gates.

Faith and love extorted from humans out of fear is worthless.

Unfortunately this is the belief of many who call themselves Christians. But when someone says this they are completely without understanding of the bible.

First we are told to love everyone, friend, enemy, believer, unbeliever. This and the first commandment are the foundation of faith.

Second we are told to never judge anyone, and even more so are we not to judge an unbeliever.

Third we are told that if we get angry or spread hate, which is what judging does that we are guilty of murder.

Fourth we are told that God will be the one that judges the unbeliever and that as Christians we should simply walk away.

Fifth we are told that if we judge others we will be judged by the same measure.

In conclusion if I judge that someone is going to hell based on them not following the first commandment than since I have not followed the second commandment I am just as guilty as the one I judged.

It is not for man to judge anyone. One can only be assured of his own salvation. You can choose to accept the bible and Jesus and live by Grace, or you can continue to live by the law. You have free will it is your choice.

reply to post by yourboycal2


The bible says in the end times there will be many false teachers, performing false miracles attempting to deceive everyone. The bible says that most will actually be deceived by Satan. It also says that Satan will disguise himself as an angel of light, meaning he will teach things that sound Christian even though they contradict the bible.

So you see the bible actually confirms that what you are saying is true. Kind of creates a paradox. On one hand you refuse to believe because of the actions of those that claim to be Christians. On the other hand you have the same book claiming that these people will indeed come and increase in number towards the end.

So what do you do with this self fulfilling prophesy. Do you ignore that most Christians are deceived as predicted in the bible or do you accept it. If you ignore it than you are ignoring a prophesy that has indeed came true, thus ignoring the signs of the end times. If you accept it you must also accept that Jesus is our savior.

These false teachers are more worried about money than Jesus. Today’s modern Church is so far from the bible at times I wonder how anyone who reads the bible can still attend these Churches. Most people simply accept the fact that the church holds the key to some mystical bible interpretation that condones all of their actions. Thus making them incapable of distinguishing the truth from a false teaching. By giving the church this authority they allow themselves to be lead away from Christ.

The bible clearly states that there is only one teacher and one high priest. The teacher is the Holy Spirit and the High Priest is Christ.

So what is your answer to the Paradox? Do you ignore the prophesy unfolding before your very eyes or do you accept it and in turn accept Christ. Accepting Christ does not mean accepting today’s modern Church. It simply means allowing the father, son, and Holy Spirit to be the authority.

Originally posted by yourboycal2

Can you heal a blind person with your faith today ? yes or no?


I promise you i will convert , if i bring a blind person to you and you heal him with your faith ?

Come on , i'm not asking you to move a mountain

or drink poison.

Very simple. Can you prayers heal a blind person if i bring u one?

edit on 2-1-2012 by yourboycal2 because: (no reason given)

Why do you need to see a healing.

False teachers, performing false miracles
Wars and Rumors of Wars
Climate change, increase in Earthquakes
Rapid increase in intellect (technology)
Man doing only what is pleasing to the flesh. Adultery, Drug abuse, Greed, Coveting
I don’t know of one person not guilty of coveting and greed, everyone wants more than they have.
Idolatry, the worship of money and material possessions more important than faith.
People will gather themselves a multitude of teachers telling them what they want to hear.

Do you realize that people who call themselves Christians actually pray for Material wealth because they were taught to do this in a church?

If I were to have written a book 500 years ago and predicted all of these things you would call me a modern Nostradamus. Since they were written in the bible, you would have to admit that these things were predicted in that bible, then you would have to accept the authenticity of the bible and the faith that goes with the acceptance. Since accepting the prophecy also means accepting Jesus you refuse.

Why do you need any more signs? The prophesy is fulfilling itself right before your eyes. This is plain for all to see. I do not say this to bring fear, for the end times could still be well into the future but the signs are not. The signs are happing now.

reply to post by WarminIndy

To offer ourselves means that we realize that we are not in charge, we offer everything about us, including our intellect and worldview.

That's not I was thinking and I really don't see how any of that has to do with what I was talking about. I think you are probably one of the 'let go and let god' crowd.
I was talking about what it takes to be acceptable as a sacrifice, which is to be holy. This would involve not defiling yourself by getting involved in a sinful lifestyle but to have a life that God would approve of.
Jesus will be our mentor in this as he promised, and we can under his guidance have a peace of mind but our eternal rest awaits us in the next life after this one is over.