All Roads Lead to Babylon : Mystery Babylon Demystified

Originally posted by SuperTripps

there is also the very real possibility these Roman legions planted fake quetzacoatal style false flags in multiple areas down there

i also believe rome was in Brazil very early on as I posted that info on the rome board.they even planted their big JESUS statue in RIO as a sign of their dominance.

Nice try attempting to rewrite the entire body of world history, but you are now back peddling and this is becoming completely nonsensical.

I assume you will next be claiming that Rome built all of the pyramids in the Americas, they planted all of the languages, created all of the myths and legends, all of the sculptures and pottery, etc??

You need to do some basic research into the linguistic correlations between the Native American language groups and how they correspond to Indo-European and Asiatic language groups, there are some really compelling correlations there, and they are numerous.

The connections between architecture, art, literature, mythology, etc, in the Americas and that of ancient Sumeria are virtually all over the place. All it takes is a few basic Google searches to discover this.

Who should I trust? Virtually every scholar, archaeologist, linguist, etc, who publish their ideas with loads of evidence supporting them? Or some guy on the Internet claiming that Rome invented everything, without even presenting any evidence or a footnote with a citation? It's laughable.

And the "Christ the Redeemer" statue in Rio de Janeiro is a totally recent construction, build in between 1922-31.

What's next? The Romans invented Greek history and culture? They devised and perpetuated the Egyptian's history and culture to deceive us? They faked Chinese, Indian, etc, civilizations ? It's ridiculous.

The Romans planted 'false flag Quetzalcoatl artifacts"?
I guess that means they built these pyramids too than! Because that's what your insinuating!

reply to post by SuperTripps


Do basic research into linguistics and genetics.
Here I will do the legwork for you. Here is one of the many countless well researched and documented works on this subject that easily disprove your claims and clearly prove the opposite.

Linguistic Origins

Page 217:

There is no a priori reason why Nostratic/Eurasiatic and Amerind should share numerous and detailed similarities. Indeed, were it true, as many linguists believe, that evidence of genetic affinity disappears through constant phonetic and semantic erosion after just 6,000 years, then there should be no similar roots at all between Nostratic/Eurasiatic and Amerind—whose time of separation must be considerably greater than 12,000 years—save those arising from sheer accident. I believe that the detailed similarities presented below, frequently so precise as to exhibit the same glottalized consonant in the root in both Nostratic and Amerind, can only be the result of common origin. Such intimate analogies cannot realistically be ascribed to anything else.

Just one of the countless examples listed, I won't quote all of it you can open the PDF and read it yourself.

1. Eurasiatic *aka ‘older brother,’ Yukaghir aka ‘older brother,’ ProtoTurkic *¯aka ‘older brother,’ Mongolian aqa ‘older brother,’ Tungus ak¯a ‘brother,’ Ryukyuan aka ‘older brother,’ Ainu ak/aki ‘younger brother,’ Gilyak i-ki-n ‘older brother’= Amerind *(k)aka ‘older brother, older sister,’ Nisqualli kukh ‘older brother,’ Okanagan k¯ıka ‘older sister,’ Shuswap kix ‘older sister,’ Kalispel qa¯xe ‘maternal aunt,’ Kutenai kokt ‘maternal aunt,’ Seneca -hak ‘aunt,’ Tuscarora gus-xahg ‘paternal aunt,’ Adai ahhi ‘aunt,’ Hidatsa ika ‘aunt,’ Alsea h¯a÷t ‘older brother,’ Bodega Miwok kaaka ‘uncle,’ Southern Sierra Miwok kaka ‘uncle,’ Yuki k¯ık-an ‘maternal uncle,’ Tfalatik kaka ‘aunt,’ Zuni kaka ‘maternal uncle,’ Natchez k¯aka ‘older brother,’ Mixe ahˇc ‘older brother,’ Sayula axˇc ‘older brother, uncle,’ Kekch´ı as’ ‘older brother,’ Zoque ÷at s i ‘older brother,’ Totonac kuku ‘uncle,’ Achomawi kex ‘uncle,’ East Pomo k¯eq ‘uncle,’ North Pomo -ki- ‘older brother,’ Kashaya -ki- ‘older brother,’ Salinan kaai ‘older brother,’ Karok xukam ‘uncle,’ Jicaque kokam ‘uncle,’ Tewa ko÷o¯ ‘aunt,’ Varohio kukuri ‘paternal uncle,’ ka’k´a ‘maternal aunt,’ Ixcatec kwa÷a ‘aunt,’ Tirub kega ‘uncle,’ kak ‘aunt,’ Matagalpa kuku-ke ‘uncle,’ Paya uku ‘uncle,’ Kagaba kukui ‘aunt, niece,’ Ona kakan ‘paternal aunt,’ Yeba kako ‘uncle,’ Masaca kokomai ‘uncle,’ Waraicu ghuk ‘uncle,’ Manao ghooko ‘maternal uncle,’ Sammaika koko ‘uncle,’ Mashco kokoa ‘uncle,’ Kushichineri koko ‘uncle,’ Cuniba kuku ‘uncle,’ Bare koko ‘aunt,’ Canamarim ghughu ‘uncle,’ Piro koko ‘uncle,’ Apiaca koko ‘uncle,’ Bakairi kxuγu ‘uncle,’ Pimenteira kuck´u ‘uncle,’ Cavine˜na ekoko ‘uncle,’ Panobo kuka ‘uncle,’ Pacawara kuko ‘uncle,’ Palmas k˜eke- ‘older sibling,’ Apucarana kanki ‘older brother,’ Oti
koaka ‘brother.’ [E brother; A 178, P 31, H 54

That's just a small snippet of what is available to anyone willing to review the basic research available.
Altaic languages


Obviously there is an ancient origin to these languages, and that origin is the subject of this thread.
And the origin clearly isn't Latin. In fact, Latin has roots to the same origin, as it's a later development from that same origin.

Do we need to get into genetics as well?

In another thread you claimed this:

Originally posted by SuperTripps

if all roads lead to babylon iraq and iran would be running the world.. OOOPS...

in fact they are lowest on the totem pole

My response::

All cultures derive from Sumeria therefore it doesn't matter which one controls the world, they are all of the same origin anyways.

You are ignoring the evolution and origin of culture, language, government, religion, etc.

Rome is just a step on the ladder of that evolution.
A simplistic and basic example of the evolution works like this (I am skipping many steps in the ladder mind you for the sake of brevity) :

Sumeria ----> Greek ----> Rome ----> Britain / Spain / Dutch / Germany / Portugal / France / Italy ----> American

That is a generalization of the steps from origin to present day. Rome is in the middle of the ladder.
My example pertains to contemporary United States of America and where it's origins derive from.

reply to post by muzzleflash


it was
sumer
babylon
medea-persian
grecian
roman
holy roman
(ottoman is in here somewhere)
spanish
british
america i think.....not sure on this one. can't figure out who is running the show exactly

Originally posted by undo
reply to post by muzzleflash

 

it was
sumer
babylon
medea-persian
grecian
roman
holy roman
(ottoman is in here somewhere)
spanish
british
america i think.....not sure on this one. can't figure out who is running the show exactly

Although I agree with parts of this, not sure America would be the most recent step in the evolution of culture, language, government, religion, etc. I'm not sure what America brings to the party around that. If we add military might into the mix then I guess so. If we are talking culture then I think there is a chunk missing in the middle where Poland would sit, and Russia a little further along, but in truth once you get past Holy Roman, it's very difficult to plot a lineage in any precise way.

If Nimrod and his followers attempted to form the first post flood world empire in the land of Shinar but were stopped when their languages were confused and that all the other empires followed on from these Sumerian roots -

I'm just minded of the Biblical seven headed wild beast in the book of Revelation that the harlot Babylon the Great rides...

(1) the ancient Egyptian Empire,
(2) the Assyrian Empire,
(3) the neo-Babylonian Empire,
(4) the Medo-Persian Empire,
(5) the Grecian Empire,
(6) the Roman Empire, and
(7) the Anglo-American Dual World Power.

This is portrayed by the fact that the beast ridden by the “harlot” has seven “heads.

This fits in with John's explanaton of what the seven headed wild beast represents. Telling the meaning of the various parts of this “scarlet-colored wild beast,” the angel said to John: “The seven heads mean seven mountains, where the woman sits on top. And there are seven kings: five have fallen, one is, the other has not yet arrived, but when he does arrive he must remain a short while.” (Revelation 17:9, 10) By the expression “one is,” the angel meant the sixth world power, the Roman Empire, that was holding the Christian apostle John a prisoner on the isle of Patmos.

Surely the only world empire to influence world events since the Holy Roman empire is the British/American Alliance, which coincides with the apostle John's prophecy.

Wow interesting, nice thread, OP

Originally posted by something wicked

Although I agree with parts of this, not sure America would be the most recent step in the evolution of culture, language, government, religion, etc. I'm not sure what America brings to the party around that. If we add military might into the mix then I guess so. If we are talking culture then I think there is a chunk missing in the middle where Poland would sit, and Russia a little further along, but in truth once you get past Holy Roman, it's very difficult to plot a lineage in any precise way.

Well we both left out tons of links in the equation through the middle.

Also it would be a different lineage depending on where you are from in today's world. For example Chinese or Koreans would have a different list starting in Sumeria and ending in China or what have you. It would only be USA for those directly influenced through a particular chain of events. Also we could mix several different lineages side by side depending on who you are and how your genealogy tree works out.

reply to post by JB1234


egyptian empire? that wasn't in daniel's vision, and you've left out the iron toes mixed with miry clay of the statue of every empire that would be on the earth. it's the roman empire again, but this time, with some new feature that doesn't adhere to it correctly. et. al, the holy roman empire. so rather than adding egypt and deducting holy roman, you have to add holy roman back in and deduct egypt.

the big clue is, the beast that was, is not, and yet is.
that beast, is behind the power of all the beasts after it. people think it is no longer in control, but it is.
so it WAS in power, appeared to lose its power, but really just started using proxies to wield its power.

Originally posted by JB1234
If Nimrod and his followers attempted to form the first post flood world empire in the land of Shinar but were stopped when their languages were confused and that all the other empires followed on from these Sumerian roots -

I'm just minded of the Biblical seven headed wild beast in the book of Revelation that the harlot Babylon the Great rides...

(1) the ancient Egyptian Empire,
(2) the Assyrian Empire,
(3) the neo-Babylonian Empire,
(4) the Medo-Persian Empire,
(5) the Grecian Empire,
(6) the Roman Empire, and
(7) the Anglo-American Dual World Power.

This is portrayed by the fact that the beast ridden by the “harlot” has seven “heads.

This fits in with John's explanaton of what the seven headed wild beast represents. Telling the meaning of the various parts of this “scarlet-colored wild beast,” the angel said to John: “The seven heads mean seven mountains, where the woman sits on top. And there are seven kings: five have fallen, one is, the other has not yet arrived, but when he does arrive he must remain a short while.” (Revelation 17:9, 10) By the expression “one is,” the angel meant the sixth world power, the Roman Empire, that was holding the Christian apostle John a prisoner on the isle of Patmos.

Surely the only world empire to influence world events since the Holy Roman empire is the British/American Alliance, which coincides with the apostle John's prophecy.

The 7 heads are 7 revivals of the Holy Roman empire, that would occur between Jesus Christ's death and the return of Jesus Christ. Each revival includes Assyria (Germany) and the Catholic Church (Vatican/Italy) joining forces in verious attempts to unify Europe.

1. Constantine (united Catholisim and Rulership for the first time)
2. Charlamene/ Charles the 1st of France
3. Frederick V Hapsburg Dynasty
4. Otto Von Bismark
5. Napoleon Bonaparte of France
(5 have passed.....)
6. Adolph Hitler of Germany
(1 is...)
7. United States of Europe (THIS YEAR!!!!! 2012)

When God gave this revelation to His apostle it was in the year 1945 and the following verse was made plain.

Rev 17:10
"And there are seven kings (ruling over the 7 revivals): five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space."

Wise are those who understand these words.

God Bless.

reply to post by ElohimJD


Well there is where you and I disagree and again if we start discussing all this it throws the thread entirely off track.

I haven't mentioned the Book of Daniel at all as well as all the other wild beasts In Revelation and how both books fit together into history and in our day.

Originally posted by undo
reply to post by JB1234

 

egyptian empire? that wasn't in daniel's vision, and you've left out the iron toes mixed with miry clay of the statue of every empire that would be on the earth. it's the roman empire again, but this time, with some new feature that doesn't adhere to it correctly. et. al, the holy roman empire. so rather than adding egypt and deducting holy roman, you have to add holy roman back in and deduct egypt.

the big clue is, the beast that was, is not, and yet is.
that beast, is behind the power of all the beasts after it. people think it is no longer in control, but it is.
so it WAS in power, appeared to lose its power, but really just started using proxies to wield its power.

edit on 4-1-2012 by undo because: (no reason given)

I didn't mention Daniel's visions at all. After Egypt and Assyria had finished their respective periods of dominance, and toward the close of the Babylonian Empire, God gave Daniel a vision of “four huge beasts” coming up out of the vast sea.

Daniel doesn't mention Egypt or Assyria. Only in relation to his prophecies on the King of the South & the North.

Nor did I mention the vision & explanation of the statue in Daniel. The iron & the clay not mixing etc.

Again if we start discussing all this it throws the thread off track. Perhaps this is a hot debate for another thread.

reply to post by muzzleflash


Great find here bud I posted the same thing in regards to questions about the Bible in my sig ↓ Glad to see you too have read Rev. Alexander Hislop and know the truth.

The "Queen of Heaven" will be the future world religion uniting all the religions of the world under the anti-christ.

S & F

i must've been having a bad day yesterday, cause when i got up this morning and reviewed my comments and others comments in the thread, i was like...... ohmygosh i'm such a geek. lol
i apologize to anyone i have offended with my behavior. i'm getting old and grouchy, would seem.

i'll attempt to approach the topic more diplomatically and not as if i knew it all (cause i don't).

reply to post by ElohimJD


this reminds me of peter goodgame's info. you familar with his work? (that you mr. goodgame? )
here's an interview i did with him that was sooo interesting. it's long, and i had laryngitis, lol, this is in .mp3 format. you can either right click and save to desktop and listen or click the link and listen to it in your browser.

ironshow.com...

that's not my website. if you're interested in it, it's ironshow.com but i haven't really
investigated it. peter goodgame's site is different. the ironshow guy has apparently archived
all of peter goodgame's radio shows. peter's site is:www.redmoonrising.com...

Muzzleflash, hey thanks for doing the research on this thread. It helped me put a few more of the pieces of the puzzle together, especially about the Ham-Cush-Nimrod connection.

I aplogize in advance if anybody already pointed this out, but I woulod seriously urge anyone that is really trying to grasp this in more detail to go to YouTube and do a search for "The Fuel Project-Know Your Enemy"

This is a 77 part video, that is absolutely fascinating and very well done. It will fill in a lot of missing pieces and especially good at giving the significance of the Tower of Babel.

Well done Muzzleflash

Ancient Texts Part of Earliest Known Documents
news.discovery.com...

A team of scholars has discovered what might be the oldest representation of the Tower of Babel of Biblical fame, they report in a newly published book.

Carved on a black stone, which has already been dubbed the Tower of Babel stele, the inscription dates to 604-562 BCE.

It was found in the collection of Martin Schøyen, a businessman from Norway who owns the largest private manuscript assemblage formed in the 20th century.

Schøyen collection
www.schoyencollection.com...

www.schoyencollection.com...

www.schoyencollection.com...

reply to post by Heatrae


Oh I'm definitely going to check out The Fuel Project - Know your enemy.

At this rate I'll have used my monthly DL limit by about the end of the first week of January! OOPS...

One book I would recommend for anyone interested in comparing the Biblical timeline with ancient history was by David M Rohl Professor of Egyptology at London University. Whilst there have been many finds since this book & the accompanying TV series "A Test of Time" was written, it nevertheless presents an excellent timeframe as a background.

I found a synopsis of the book online

Synopsis of A Test of Time by David M Rohl

Originally posted by JB1234
reply to post by Heatrae

 

Oh I'm definitely going to check out The Fuel Project - Know your enemy.

At this rate I'll have used my monthly DL limit by about the end of the first week of January! OOPS...

One book I would recommend for anyone interested in comparing the Biblical timeline with ancient history was by David M Rohl Professor of Egyptology at London University. Whilst there have been many finds since this book & the accompanying TV series "A Test of Time" was written, it nevertheless presents an excellent timeframe as a background.

I found a synopsis of the book online

Synopsis of A Test of Time by David M Rohl

edit on 4-1-2012 by JB1234 because: (no reason given)

yeah i like rohl's work. there's an ebook called "the giza discovery" by peter goodgame, that offers quite a few pieces of rohl's info. it's interesting.
www.redmoonrising.com...

reply to post by muzzleflash


This is just what I have been looking for muzzleflash, Thankyou dearly.

One of the best written, most complete threads about the exact same topic that has been on my mind for months.

Well done Sir, well done.