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Mosaic Law is still in effect.
In this begining supposedly recorded in Genesis g-d lies and the snake tells the truth.
eve and adam eat the apple and do not die and are declared to be like gods. READ IT YOURSELVES AND EXAMINE.
Originally posted by Alchemst7
I believe Revelations 12 thru 14 is identifying who Gods people are and the wisdom and knowledge Gods people understand. many times does these 3 chapters repeat:
source: Bible Gateway
Rev 14: 9 A third angel followed them and said in a loud voice: “If anyone worships the beast and its image and receives its mark on their forehead or on their hand, 10 they, too, will drink the wine of God’s fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of his wrath. They will be tormented with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb. 11 And the smoke of their torment will rise for ever and ever. There will be no rest day or night for those who worship the beast and its image, or for anyone who receives the mark of its name.” 12 This calls for patient endurance on the part of the people of God who keep his commands and remain faithful to Jesus
or Rev 14:7 He said in a loud voice, “Fear God and give him glory, because the hour of his judgment has come. Worship him who made the heavens, the earth, the sea and the springs of water.” (Why is this quote of Exedus 10 commandments given to identify the sabbath or who to rest into?)
or Rev 12: 17 Then the dragon was enraged at the woman and went off to wage war against the rest of her offspring—those who keep God’s commands and hold fast their testimony about Jesus. (again, those who Keep Gods commandments and the testimony of Christ!)
And if you say we are no longer under the commandments, does that mean I can now commit adultery with your wife, or can I now steal from you, or can I kill you? What difference is keeping the sabbath any differnt from using the Lords name in vein, or worshipping false idols. Revelations gives a Key to understand who Gods remnant people are and who the devil will wage war against!
Lol, nobody can do that. I'd be surprised if anyone nowadays knows who they were decended from passed 200 years ago.
Originally posted by AQuestion
reply to post by lonewolf19792000
Dear lonewolf19792000,
If you look two above your post that I am responding to, you will find that I said basically the same thing. As for who can be saved, I leave that to God. Jesus said that it was harder for a rich man to go to heaven than it is for a camel to go through the eye of a needle; but, he also said that for God all things were possible. I don't think being Catholic is the unforgivable sin. Let us pray for all and accept that our understanding may also be imperfect. Peace.
Just, Remember the Sabbath and you will not have broken the Law .
Originally posted by colbe
We are all dependent on what the Apostles and first Christians held
dear and passed on to us. How silly to think they didn't know which
day of the week they assembled to worship God.
The Sabbath was changed to the Lord's Day (see Revelation) to honor Christ, His Resurrection. He arose on Sunday. This is the New Covenant.
"Break bread" was a term for the Holy Eucharist and Paul uses
the term Eucharist which means thanksgiving in the Gospel.
The first day of the week is Sunday.
Acts Of Apostles 20:7
And on the first day of the week, when we were assembled to break bread, Paul discoursed with them, being to depart on the morrow: and he continued his speech until midnight.
1 Corinthians 16:2
On the first day of the week let every one of you put apart with himself, laying up what it shall well please him; that when I come, the collections be not then to be made.
Apocalypse (Revelation) 1:10
I was in the spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,
Originally posted by Andronian
reply to post by NOTurTypical
Sorry, but my book says that only a remnant will make it through tribulation with washed robes...
as John said only those who hold the Commandments of God and the faith in Jesus will make it with white robes...
sorry to be such a stickler on the LETTER of the Law as Christ so eloquently stated....you have been fooled by the church into thinking that by simply believing you are saved...
read revelations...
when he stated ..."oh lord lord...didn't we cast out demons in your name" and Christ's reply is that "I don't know you"...oh you can believe...but as John points out there are two parts.
And if you have broken one ...you have broken all...true, we are all sinners and fall short of the glory of God...and our most righteous, acts are but filthy rags.
No one will be cast into the lake of fire at the end of tribulation...
We will begin in a new world...He walked in our shoes...he was tempted as we are...and only He has conquered death.
I was only making a statement on the commandments...which by the way were not nailed to the cross...it was the 1400 statutes that went away...the 10 commandment of God remain, as Christ stated.
And yes it is only by grace that we are redeemed...so I suppose I really agree with you...in a sense.
Originally posted by Andronian
reply to post by colbe
By the way, He did not Rise on Sunday...the empty tomb was discovered on Sunday morning...but he had already risen on Saturday the Sabbath.
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
Originally posted by Andronian
reply to post by NOTurTypical
Sorry, but my book says that only a remnant will make it through tribulation with washed robes...
Did you not read Romans? Even "nakedness" will not separate us from the love of Christ. And I'll give you a hint, that's talking about our raiment, not that we should shower with our clothes on.
as John said only those who hold the Commandments of God and the faith in Jesus will make it with white robes...
I totally agree with you!!! And what were the two commandments of the new covenant Christ gave us to follow?
sorry to be such a stickler on the LETTER of the Law as Christ so eloquently stated....you have been fooled by the church into thinking that by simply believing you are saved...
Dear Jesus, *sigh*.
Have you ever read John?
"28Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? 29Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent."
Or:
"40And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day."
What about this:
"47Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life."
read revelations...
It's "Revelation", singular and specific. Please don't exhort me to read a book of the Bible that you can't even get the title correct to.
when he stated ..."oh lord lord...didn't we cast out demons in your name" and Christ's reply is that "I don't know you"...oh you can believe...but as John points out there are two parts.
Okay, I'm about at the limit of tripe I can stomach. Christ's reply wasn't "I don't know you.", it was "I NEVER knew you..". That tells us that those people were "never" in a covenant relationship with Him. But that's not the biggest mistake you made which is this:
EVERYONE will be calling Him "Lord, Lord" on judgment day. EVERYONE. At that time all will know that He is God, meaning that anyone throughout human history who thought they were doing something "for god" will be making that statement to Him. The Muslim, the Mayan, the Hindu, the Jew, the Christian, et cetra, et cetra.
And if you have broken one ...you have broken all...true, we are all sinners and fall short of the glory of God...and our most righteous, acts are but filthy rags.
So then why are you trying to suggest we can keep the law? We can't. That's why Jesus came to die for us.
No one will be cast into the lake of fire at the end of tribulation...
Correct, that doesn't happen until 1,000 years later at the Great White Throne judgment. It happens at the end of the 1,000 year reign of Christ.
We will begin in a new world...He walked in our shoes...he was tempted as we are...and only He has conquered death.
We agree here.
I was only making a statement on the commandments...which by the way were not nailed to the cross...it was the 1400 statutes that went away...the 10 commandment of God remain, as Christ stated.
No, our debt to the law was nailed to the cross. It's a metaphor.
And yes it is only by grace that we are redeemed...so I suppose I really agree with you...in a sense.
Correct, justification before God is a free gift. Sanctification is a lifelong process. And faithfulness will be judged for the Christian. Rewards can be won for faithfulness, or lost for lack thereof. But salvation is never in danger of being taken away. You can forfeit your inheritance just as the son did in the Prodigal Son parable, but he never lost his sonship. You'll notice a slight subtlety, there is a difference in the Bible between "inheriting" heaven and being "joint heirs with Christ", and "entering heaven".
The point is, to be as faithful as we possibly can by the leading and guidance of the Holy Spirit. I do appreciate you responding to my post though.
You can serve and worship Jesus without being crammed into that organisation, being a part of the "church" does not mean youre a part of religion. The Church is a spiritual entity, a state of being, a personal relationship with Jesus, a spiritual brotherhood, not a physical location or a worldly organisation. Just pick up one of those bibles and read it. Theres nothing wrong with meeting at a place and fellowshipping and worshipping with brothers and sisters in Christ, but don't fall into religion. Religion doesn't save you, only faith in Jesus can.
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
Originally posted by Sparky63
The Jews "day" ran from sunset to sunset. The 7th day of the week for them was sunset on Friday to sunset on Saturday. However this is a moot point if you are a Christian because of the following scriptures:
Rom. 10:4: “Christ is the end of the Law, so that everyone exercising faith may have righteousness.”
Sabbath keeping was a part of that Law. God used Christ to bring that Law to its end. Our having a righteous standing with God depends on faith in Christ, not on keeping a weekly sabbath.
Col. 2:13-16: “[God] kindly forgave us all our trespasses and blotted out the handwritten document against us, which consisted of decrees and which was in opposition to us . . . Therefore let no man judge you in eating and drinking or in respect of a festival or of an observance of the new moon or of a sabbath.”
It seems clear that an approved standing with God no longer requires observance of the sabbath requirement given to Israel.
edit on 12/29/2011 by Sparky63 because: formatted post
No, no, don't use those verses, the Sabbath consecration happened before the law. Romans 14 is the chapter you want to source for Christians under the new covenant.
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by colbe
No, I'm not sure if you've ever studied Systematic Theology or not, but "Justification" and "Sanctification" are two different things. Justification means simply we are declared righteous. We aren't righteous of course, but on Christ's merits we are declared righteous. Sanctification makes us righteous, and that's a lifelong process of the Holy Spirit. The "renewing of the mind" is a continual thing, it's in the present tense, passive voice in the Greek. Our lives should be ones defined by prayer and repentance. Martin Luther said this, that a Christian's life should be one of repentance.
Originally posted by ovumcranium
It is a conspiracy in a way.
Ellen White (SDA) claimed the pope (Syvester I) changed the day from Saturday to Sunday, (from a vision of hers) and stated that those who keep the Pope's Sabbath will receive the Mark of the Beast. See details from Seventh Day Adventist sites.
BUT
It has been challenged that no one can find documented proof of this claim (thus claiming White was a false prophet). There is a lot of information and history out there, interesting reading.
Other information claim the apostles changed the date because Sunday was the day Jesus rose.
The Bible does prophesy that Satan would try to change dates and times - one reason why so many want to know if it was properly changed and what that can mean...