History of Palestine

Originally posted by Spiramirabilis
reply to post by dilly1

 

Real Jews don't have pale skin and blue eyes like Ashkenazi jews from khazaria. Do you really think the descendant from the 12 tribes would have blonde hair green/blue eyes?? Do you!! Do you know the word "Caucasian" come from a mountain range in Khazaria called "caucus".. There is no relation to the 12 tribes .

did you say 'real' Jews? :-) seriously? As opposed to counterfeit Jews or poseurs? lolol!

The Jewish religion is the only exception where genetics and physical traits and vices are determined.

vices? Did you say vices? Did you mean vices?

They were separated spiritually and philosophically from all gentiles.. Inter breeding wasn't always on there "to do" list as much as goyims.

say what?

wow - just, wow...

tell me - was Jesus a real Jew, or a fake Jew? I wonder, because in most of his pictures he has blue eyes...

just joshin' dilly - please, carry on. I've learned a lot from you tonight

Great term Mr. KONG. Yes ashkenazi jews would be considered as counterfeit. Lol

Yes Vices . No Thanks to the ashkenzi jews off course... Do you like porn?,, you know who to thank right. Are you aware all "sex slave trade routes" END in Israel. Do you know in Israel ,an Israeli cannot be prosecuted for sex slavery?


Last time I checked Yeshua was a jewish name. Sooo yes Yeshua should be jewish.. Lol...oh and Jesus isn't a name. But keep calling him that. What's his social? 666,,,no that's Baphomet's..lol

I love laughing, don't you


The picture of the christian "Jesus Blue'eyed bandit" is actually a propaganda picture. Meaning freakin fake guy. Its based on the image of the last Templar grand master Jacques De Molay.

Remember there weren't any hippies during the dark ages.

Yeshua (supposedly,and chances are) looked middle eastern, brown olive skin,dark hair and dark eyes. Like most freakin jews and assyrians. I said most.

In fact there are historical rumors(whatever that is) ,that Yeshua wasn't very pleasant to the eyes and had a hunch back. Supposedly that's why Yeshua died rather quickly on the cross,,couldn't breath. Just rumors,,, don't get all sensitive on me now.. Maybe he was a blue eyed hunch back. But I prefer a Jesus Tom Brady look than the hunchback from the movie "300". Don't you?



There is nothing I want more than to teach apes the word of Dilly.

reply to post by dilly1


I would like to think He died so quickly because of the massive blood loss, remember he was beaten then scourged with numerous lashes from a cat of nine tails by the Romans before being nailed to the tree. People think he was hit with 39 lashes because being hit with 40 was considered to be "harsh" punishment. Well, that was a Jewish rule/custom, the Romans weren't as considerate.

Originally posted by dilly1

Originally posted by Spiramirabilis
reply to post by dilly1

 

Real Jews don't have pale skin and blue eyes like Ashkenazi jews from khazaria. Do you really think the descendant from the 12 tribes would have blonde hair green/blue eyes?? Do you!! Do you know the word "Caucasian" come from a mountain range in Khazaria called "caucus".. There is no relation to the 12 tribes .

did you say 'real' Jews? :-) seriously? As opposed to counterfeit Jews or poseurs? lolol!

The Jewish religion is the only exception where genetics and physical traits and vices are determined.

vices? Did you say vices? Did you mean vices?

They were separated spiritually and philosophically from all gentiles.. Inter breeding wasn't always on there "to do" list as much as goyims.

say what?

wow - just, wow...

tell me - was Jesus a real Jew, or a fake Jew? I wonder, because in most of his pictures he has blue eyes...

just joshin' dilly - please, carry on. I've learned a lot from you tonight

Great term Mr. KONG. Yes ashkenazi jews would be considered as counterfeit. Lol

By whom? You? Are you like the Chief Rabbinate who determines whose Jewish or not?

Yes Vices . No Thanks to the ashkenzi jews off course... Do you like porn?,, you know who to thank right. Are you aware all "sex slave trade routes" END in Israel. Do you know in Israel ,an Israeli cannot be prosecuted for sex slavery?

Really? All the pimps and prostitutes are in Israel? Or do all the pimps answer to the Israeli Prime Minister or something? LOL!

Last time I checked Yeshua was a jewish name. Sooo yes Yeshua should be jewish.. Lol...oh and Jesus isn't a name. But keep calling him that. What's his social? 666,,,no that's Baphomet's..lol

Well thats pretty strange.

The picture of the christian "Jesus Blue'eyed bandit" is actually a propaganda picture. Meaning freakin fake guy. Its based on the image of the last Templar grand master Jacques De Molay.

Oh. Informative *sarcasm off*.

Remember there weren't any hippies during the dark ages.

Jacques De Molay was a hippie? *wink*

Yeshua (supposedly,and chances are) looked middle eastern, brown olive skin,dark hair and dark eyes. Like most freakin jews and assyrians. I said most.

Like the Ashkenazi Jeff Goldblum? *smile*

In fact there are historical rumors(whatever that is) ,that Yeshua wasn't very pleasant to the eyes and had a hunch back. Supposedly that's why Yeshua died rather quickly on the cross,,couldn't breath. Just rumors,,, don't get all sensitive on me now.. Maybe he was a blue eyed hunch back. But I prefer a Jesus Tom Brady look than the hunchback from the movie "300". Don't you?

I thought sacrificial lambs were to be without physical defects according to the Torah?

reply to post by dilly1


so, dilly - do you not like the Ashkenazi Jews? Or is it all Jews?

'cause that's sorta the vibe I'm getting

:-)

Are you a Christian then? I ask becasue I read this in an earlier post:

If the entire world lived by the teachings of Jesus Christ there would be no war nor misery nor crime.

Indeed. So, when did you plan to start?

There is nothing I want more than to teach apes the word of Dilly.

well, I am truly grateful when someone like you comes along and decides to share

puts that whole master race whatsitsmajiggy theory right to bed

thank you dilly

no - seriously

:-)

reply to post by nenothtu


Ur missing the point bro. You have been divided and conquered. You use the term "jew" quite loosely. |f i were to do so i would be called a jew hater.

It's not the Jews causing the problems, it's the Zionists.

History of Palestine has been raped.

BS u all say, please leave this post up.

Another thread has been started concerning Palestinian land purchases.

I found some interesting links that pose questions that need to be addressed and answered.

All involving the land title transfers and deeds (or lack thereof)

New Thread: www.abovetopsecret.com...


I will post details later.

The Rothschilds may be involved.

EDIT to ADD: I'm having trouble getting to the thread !!
I hope they didn't delete it !

reply to post by xuenchen


I just clicked the link too, the thread is missing. We just got censored, lol.

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by xuenchen

 

I just clicked the link too, the thread is missing. We just got censored, lol.

Ya,

Well I'll be danged !

Can't understand why?

There was no attacks or anything.

Just a few questions (by me) about the legitimacy of land transfers and ownership prior to Israel's statehood.

I found some compelling ideas.

I guess it struck some nerves !

I will try to get my links and sources back.

reply to post by xuenchen


Yes, please do. If it was censored that fast you know you're sniffing the right rabbit trail.

Sorry to intrude on the ongoing debate about Jews being a race or religion and whatever else you guys have been talking about.

But exactly where do the Palestinians get the blame? I'm sorry, but can I get it from Israeli supporters, that the facts I have presented and all in front of your eyes to see, is that they have been living there for hundreds of years, and have owned 97% of the land in the time period specified in the opening post?

Islam is not trying to claim Palestine, Palestinians are. Arab nations all around them defended Palestine, both as a holy city (even for Islam), and the fact that Palestinians are Arabs as well, thus their brothers. Defeat was caused because the only army capable of successfully holding up, was the Arab Legion (Jordanian army) simply because it was trained by the British. 8,000 Jordanian soldiers surrounded Jerusalem, but did not try to claim it.

That's my point now, but where does it make sense for people of a religion to steal a land that their ancestors might and might have not lived on (considering different types of Jews, not saying Jews didn't live there) 2,000+ years ago from people who have been living there for over a thousand years?

Let's discuss this in simple terms, not in terms of Palestine and Israel. Just answer my question in terms of separate groups of people whose identity does not count for crap.
And anyone who's going to quote the Bible, Qur'an or Torah or any other religious scripture isn't really allowed to answer the question, since it just defeats the purpose of an all-loving God to support stealing of land and murdering people. Doesn't it?

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by xuenchen

 

Yes, please do. If it was censored that fast you know you're sniffing the right rabbit trail.

Strange indeed.

I was pressing some info about the Jewish land purchases from existing land owners in the Palestine region.

Pre WW1 and during, and after up to Israel statehood.

The OP was showing how all (or most of) that land was purchased.

I was asking for a little more proof.

Stuff like deeds, titles, trusts, etc.

The author led me to some links and I came across some challenging material.

I am hunting down the links now.

It seems the Rothschilds were involved with land purchases in the late 1800's.
(under Ottoman jurisdiction no less !) Hmmm.

I had a question and theory that maybe they were buying outright, loaning and some possible terms like a mortgage and/or beneficial interests.

Were original Jewish migrants financially sound enough to buy outright ?
Were the Roths loaning to new migrants and what were the payment guarantees, etc.
(before, during, after WW1)

here is one link The Jewish Colonisation Association and a Rothschild in Palestine

I mentioned that I did not know the credibility of this.
The link did not let me copy & pastes, so I saved a pic (below).

this wiki link is related;
Palestine Jewish Colonization Association

this 1906 Jewish Encyclopedia article has info;
JEWISH COLONIZATION ASSOCIATION

I also found some evidence that the Palestinian Authority just recently got land title info from the Turkish government in 2005. Long after the fact !

The alternative theory is HOW did the land transfers happen and WHO handled the transactions ?

I wonder if the Rothschilds (or subclaves) have current land interests there.

This puts the whole land deals into question.

I am seeing no evidence of current title ownerships that show pre-Israel statehood records.

These records have apparently been hidden for decades.

Makes one wonder who actually owns the land ?

Maybe it was a fine print U.N. deal ?

Maybe it compares to the Oklahoma land grab scramble around the same time in history.
( maybe the original 'Sooners' were Zionists ) ... just kidding !

Why the other thread was deleted is a mystery.

Turkey transfers Ottoman land records to Palestinian Authority 2005)

Latest update 00:00 11.10.05

Haaretz

The Turkish government on Sunday gave the Palestinian Authority a copy of the Ottoman archive containing all documents pertaining to land ownership in pre-state Israel through 1916.

The PA requested the records to support Palestinian land claims. The Palestinians say that these documents reflect the "true" ownership of the land. One year later, in 1917, Britain drove the Ottomans out of the country and issued the Balfour Declaration, expressing support for the establishment of a Jewish state in what was then called Palestine. The Palestinians say these evens represented the start of "a Zionist takeover of their land, under the auspices of British imperialism."

Even before 1917, Jewish and Zionist institutions had purchased large tracts of land in Palestine from absentee landlords, who lived mainly in Syria and Lebanon. These landlords had previously leased their property to local farmers, but were happy to sell it for the right price, without giving a thought to their tenant farmers. Nevertheless, Palestinians view these sales as more legitimate than those that took place during the British occupation that began in 1917.

Under Ottoman rule, a substantial portion of the land in Palestine was registered as state land. Some of this land was later sold or transferred to pre-state Jewish institutions. Other portions belonged to the Muslim waqf (religious trust), and these, according to Islamic law, cannot be sold. However, there was no orderly registration process; ownership was determined primarily using records such as tax payments.

Ever since 1948, Palestinian institutions dealing with the refugee issue have been trying to obtain accurate records on the land and property that were lost when Israel was established. This effort has gained steam in recent years, but no Palestinian institution has come close to collecting all the relevant data. One reason for the lackadaisical effort may be the Palestinians' understanding that the data has little practical value other than for public relations. At most, it will be used in the bargaining over compensation for refugees, if and when such negotiations take place.

(Rothschild references)

Here is an online book about the Rothschild involvment in colonizations.

Some references to Palestine.

Rothschild and early Jewish colonization in Palestine


and this interesting link;

The Palestine Jewish Colonization Association, commonly known by its Hebrew acronym PICA (Hebrew: פיק"א‎), was established in 1924 and played a major role in supporting the Yishuv in Palestine until its disbandment in 1957.

The Jewish Colonization Association (ICA) was founded by Bavarian philanthropist Baron Maurice de Hirsch in 1891 to help Jews from Russia and Romania to settle in Argentina.[1][2] The Baron died in 1896 and thereafter the ICA began to assist the Palestinian colonies.[2] In 1899 Edmond James de Rothschild transferred title to his colonies in Palestine plus fifteen million francs to the ICA, which was reorganised as the Palestine Jewish Colonization Association in 1924,[1][3] under the direction of Edmond's son James Armand de Rothschild.[4]

After the 1929 Palestine riots PICA helped to rehabilitate agricultural colonies that had been damaged.[4]

James de Rothschild's will instructed PICA to transfer most of its land in Israel to the Jewish National Fund.[5] On December 31, 1958 PICA agreed to vest its right to land holdings in Syria and Lebanon in the State of Israel.[6]

Palestine Jewish Colonization Association eNotes)


Lot's of questions here !

TPTB may own more land than we are led to believe !

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by dilly1

 

I would like to think He died so quickly because of the massive blood loss, remember he was beaten then scourged with numerous lashes from a cat of nine tails by the Romans before being nailed to the tree. People think he was hit with 39 lashes because being hit with 40 was considered to be "harsh" punishment. Well, that was a Jewish rule/custom, the Romans weren't as considerate.

I love that movie too!

Originally posted by dilly1

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by dilly1

 

I would like to think He died so quickly because of the massive blood loss, remember he was beaten then scourged with numerous lashes from a cat of nine tails by the Romans before being nailed to the tree. People think he was hit with 39 lashes because being hit with 40 was considered to be "harsh" punishment. Well, that was a Jewish rule/custom, the Romans weren't as considerate.

I love that movie too!

I agree completely!!! Some vitamins are great, but then others if you take too much, vitamin C for example, you'll get diarrhea.

Go figure.

Originally posted by ghash
Sorry to intrude on the ongoing debate about Jews being a race or religion and whatever else you guys have been talking about.

But exactly where do the Palestinians get the blame? I'm sorry, but can I get it from Israeli supporters, that the facts I have presented and all in front of your eyes to see, is that they have been living there for hundreds of years, and have owned 97% of the land in the time period specified in the opening post?

Islam is not trying to claim Palestine, Palestinians are. Arab nations all around them defended Palestine, both as a holy city (even for Islam), and the fact that Palestinians are Arabs as well, thus their brothers. Defeat was caused because the only army capable of successfully holding up, was the Arab Legion (Jordanian army) simply because it was trained by the British. 8,000 Jordanian soldiers surrounded Jerusalem, but did not try to claim it.

That's my point now, but where does it make sense for people of a religion to steal a land that their ancestors might and might have not lived on (considering different types of Jews, not saying Jews didn't live there) 2,000+ years ago from people who have been living there for over a thousand years?

Let's discuss this in simple terms, not in terms of Palestine and Israel. Just answer my question in terms of separate groups of people whose identity does not count for crap.
And anyone who's going to quote the Bible, Qur'an or Torah or any other religious scripture isn't really allowed to answer the question, since it just defeats the purpose of an all-loving God to support stealing of land and murdering people. Doesn't it?

So what is the solution here then. Do we force the Jews to leave Israel and give the land to Palestinians? Is that how we rectify the situation? I was always taught that two wrong do not make a right.

Originally posted by Sugarhitman
Originally posted by dilly1

Originally posted by Spiramirabilis
reply to post by dilly1

 

Real Jews don't have pale skin and blue eyes like Ashkenazi jews from khazaria. Do you really think the descendant from the 12 tribes would have blonde hair green/blue eyes?? Do you!! Do you know the word "Caucasian" come from a mountain range in Khazaria called "caucus".. There is no relation to the 12 tribes .

did you say 'real' Jews? :-) seriously? As opposed to counterfeit Jews or poseurs? lolol!

The Jewish religion is the only exception where genetics and physical traits and vices are determined.

vices? Did you say vices? Did you mean vices?

They were separated spiritually and philosophically from all gentiles.. Inter breeding wasn't always on there "to do" list as much as goyims.

say what?

wow - just, wow...

tell me - was Jesus a real Jew, or a fake Jew? I wonder, because in most of his pictures he has blue eyes...

just joshin' dilly - please, carry on. I've learned a lot from you tonight

Great term Mr. KONG. Yes ashkenazi jews would be considered as counterfeit. Lol

By whom? You? Are you like the Chief Rabbinate who determines whose Jewish or not?

Yes Vices . No Thanks to the ashkenzi jews off course... Do you like porn?,, you know who to thank right. Are you aware all "sex slave trade routes" END in Israel. Do you know in Israel ,an Israeli cannot be prosecuted for sex slavery?

Really? All the pimps and prostitutes are in Israel? Or do all the pimps answer to the Israeli Prime Minister or something? LOL!

Last time I checked Yeshua was a jewish name. Sooo yes Yeshua should be jewish.. Lol...oh and Jesus isn't a name. But keep calling him that. What's his social? 666,,,no that's Baphomet's..lol

Well thats pretty strange.

The picture of the christian "Jesus Blue'eyed bandit" is actually a propaganda picture. Meaning freakin fake guy. Its based on the image of the last Templar grand master Jacques De Molay.

Oh. Informative *sarcasm off*.

Remember there weren't any hippies during the dark ages.

Jacques De Molay was a hippie? *wink*

Yeshua (supposedly,and chances are) looked middle eastern, brown olive skin,dark hair and dark eyes. Like most freakin jews and assyrians. I said most.

Like the Ashkenazi Jeff Goldblum? *smile*

In fact there are historical rumors(whatever that is) ,that Yeshua wasn't very pleasant to the eyes and had a hunch back. Supposedly that's why Yeshua died rather quickly on the cross,,couldn't breath. Just rumors,,, don't get all sensitive on me now.. Maybe he was a blue eyed hunch back. But I prefer a Jesus Tom Brady look than the hunchback from the movie "300". Don't you?

I thought sacrificial lambs were to be without physical defects according to the Torah?

Pimps and Prostitutes? Do you know anything about the very sad epidemic of women being kidnapped raped and traded as cattle across the world. I'm not talking about hookers on a corner and there pimp daddy driving a Cadillac. You need to stop watching so much TV.


And do some research on who or what race of people own most PORN companies. Not that these jews are practicing jews either. Lol



What's strange? The 666 or Baphomet?


I know I am ball of info,but please don't take my sarcasm away.



Jacques De Molay was a hippie? I didn't know,, he smoked reefer?



Jeff Goldblum looks super sephardic but Wikipedia says euro,,,,,,,,,,mmmmm who am I to believe my gut instinct and my eyes or Wikipedia? Hey not every jew can have blue eyes.


Well the Torah,,like US weekly and People's magazine,, tend to steer you away from the truth. Don't you agree.

Tooo much has been lost, what must we do to resolve this?

Shalll we exterminate more peiop;le?

My little brother is on his way to fight one of your wars, you pos deserve to suffer.

Im so pissserd now.

Originally posted by Spiramirabilis
reply to post by dilly1

 

so, dilly - do you not like the Ashkenazi Jews? Or is it all Jews?

'cause that's sorta the vibe I'm getting

:-)

Are you a Christian then? I ask becasue I read this in an earlier post:

If the entire world lived by the teachings of Jesus Christ there would be no war nor misery nor crime.

Indeed. So, when did you plan to start?

There is nothing I want more than to teach apes the word of Dilly.

well, I am truly grateful when someone like you comes along and decides to share

puts that whole master race whatsitsmajiggy theory right to bed

thank you dilly

no - seriously

:-)

edit on 12/28/2011 by Spiramirabilis because: was showing a little too much respect

I don't dislike nor love any race of any people. My likes are based on a personal level.

Your vibes are bit dormant.

I am not a christian nor do I have any universal faith of anything or on anything of the sort. Faith is for the weak minded.

And the first quote isn't mine!!!. But Your doing a great job presenting your case

My plan start? Oohh my plan,,, well just look on the left column and you can see the registered date . Does that suffice?


The pleasure was all mine Spirawhateveryournameis... And I am grateful of all the priceless content you have posted during the holidays.


Chow

Originally posted by dilly1

Originally posted by nenothtu

Originally posted by dilly1

"presentation of evidence"

Might I suggest a remedial reading class? YOU presented the evidence for me. Try reading it again, with that in mind.

I bet it still gets lost on you.

What evidence have you presented? Islamic scripture,,,,,, oh please

You choose to ignore my logical perception of history.

OK, young grasshopper - try to keep up with me. You seem unable to follow the conversation, and if you can't catch up, then the conversation is over. Let's walk backwards through it.

You ask what evidence I have presented, as if I had claimed to have presented evidence somewhere. I made no such claim, nor have I presented evidence. YOU have presented the evidence to support my point that you seem unable to separate the spiritual and the secular.

Nowhere have I presented Islamic "scripture" as evidence of any sort - I DID, however suggest that you go to it as the primary source to answer your questions concerning how anyone knew how Muslims treated Jews "back in the day". It's not a presentation of evidence, it's a suggestion that you do some reading, and see just what the Muslims "back in the day" had to say about the matter THEMSELVES, writing it at the time of occurrence.

As far as your "logical perception of history" goes, I believe I will trust the histories written at the time over your "logical perceptions", which tend not to display all that much logic.

Originally posted by nenothtu

Originally posted by dilly1

By all mean go right ahead. Take everything literal. Oh that's right ,,,Islam began before 622ad.

On the contrary - I'm taking it metaphysically. YOU are the one trying to segregate and allocate religions based upon genetic authorizations, disallowing a religion to anyone not in possession of the authorizing gene. How much more literal does it get than that?

As I recall, Islam began in 610 AD. You are referring to the date of the Hegira, but there was Islam before that, or there would have BEEN no Hegira.

For the love of Hedes,,,who cares if it 610 or 622 or 632ad. I still made my point. You actually think you're educating me.

Aahhh ,,, Metaphysics, the world of fantasy. Its not that I am disallowing a religion to anyone. lol...jews are the snobs of the world. You don't want to accept that. You literally blindly believe holy scripture(from wherever) as a description of what happened in history.