South American Trading Block (Mercosur) Agree to Block British Soverign Flagged Vessels into their P

ugh.......



. I love you......

Was going to avoid this thread as it was full of nonsense anti-British posts from the usual suspects and some new crazies I have yet to have the pleasure... 1.8 Billion Indians killed...

Ignoring the obvious mathematical problem, if we were that bad, why did they remain part of the Commonwealth, why do they retain our (excellent) legal system, why do they all still learn and speak English and use it as the only official language across the whole of India? We can't have been that bad!

Anyhoo, GLontra raises a good point and deserves a reply...

Originally posted by GLontra
In the end, I believe that some kind of agreement will be reached between Argentina and the UK, mediated by Brazil (always Brazil, the "kings of diplomacy", the "friends of everyone") to allow Argentina to control part of the oil reserves in the territorial waters around the islands, and the UK to control the other part. A fair division.

We did offer them an agreement like that, but they rejected it...

We are willing to be flexible, but they want it all, despite having no claim to the islands whatsoever. It's like France claiming the Channel Islands... In fact, France has a better claim on the Channel Islands than Argentina has on the Falklands!

Originally posted by xavi1000
British Empire have so much blood on their hands that will fill Atlantic Ocean twice. Modern new US Empire is small child comparing to British Empire.

Would this be the Empire that gave any man, regardless of his colour, freedom and protection under the law before the US even existed? This would be the Empire that banned slave trading and actively sought out slave trading ships, many of them US, before any other nation on the planet? Would this be the Empire that, once it took over a place, sought to install all the trappings of modern states, including railways, education and health systems, which survive to this day and is actually the reason most Democracies on Earth follow the British model?

The UK and it's Empire never deliberately wiped anybody out.Attributing famine deaths to the Empire is ludicrous as it is likely the famines would happen anyway and surely did. We had famines and crop failures in the UK too, you know.

It must also be remembered that, in India's case, most of the actual "ruling" for much of the Empire was done my local Princes in exactly the same manner they had done prior to us turning up. As long as they paid their dues, we left them to it.

Originally posted by Narciso
but that doesn´t change the fact that they are part of argentinian territory because of their proximity to the mainland and therefore the resources found or to be found are argentinian,

Proximity to a nation doesn't mean ownership. Regardless, it's outside the territorial Waters and even outside the EEZ, if you even know what that means. It has never had an Argentine "native" (a concept quite laughable in itself because of the irony) and has always, as long as it has had permanent human inhabitants, been British.

Originally posted by Narciso
and thats whta the UN has concluded time and time again,

Has it? Would this be some side grouping of friendly states who slap each other on the back, like the Human Rights Council that had amongst it's members Libya and Syria? Show me the evidence. Nothing happens in the UN without the UNSC signing it off and we all know that will never happen

Originally posted by Narciso
When did Great Britain care about people deciding their own fate?

Hmm, I don't know, maybe when we gave up our Empire willingly and even helped the new Governments set up the institutions needed for their new found country...

Only Empire in history to give it up with barely a whimper. The French and Spanish, now, that's another story and look how they treated people they colonised...

Originally posted by Narciso
South American colonialists, what nonsense! If we were such colonialist you would be talking spanish or portuguese in this friking forum instead of me trying to answer a hundred people in better English than most of them as fast as my fingers can type.

Evidently, your English sucks more than you think. By virtue of you being a Spanish speaking Argentine, you are, without a doubt, descended from people who are not indigineous to Argentina, therefore making your cries of us being "evil colonialists" etc as just baseless hypocrisy.

Until you can adequately explain to me why Spanish settlers (who, as history shows quite clearly, were far worse when it came to native treatment than any British colonists) have more of a right to these islands than the British who first braved them and made them habitable, you haven't even got a bloody stump to stand on, let alone a leg.

WOW


1.6 billion


Who are these people... where do they come from... and where do they get there information from?


All i'm seeing is lies based upon lies from the anti British trolls in this thread, people who are supporting throwing innocent Falkland Islanders of there own Island because its close to another country who want there resources

reply to post by stumason


I get the valid arguments made....I actually think that the UK has the most valid claim to the islands....but I speak to the mentality of maintaining posture globaly over ever decreasing resources instead of developing a more efficient system of resource aquisition and distribution to meat the needs you or I may have...

We have to overcome a system of public subsidy for private profit....sure the UK, or US, or what ever single entity on the global scene gets land ,resources , or what ever for its economy.....but.....
Private companies drilling, mining, producing, or what ever get Government protection, funding, and support. While the natives we argue exist or not get squat besides some crapy jobs for them or for the influx of UK, US, or who ever workers/settlers. Free enterprise is piracy...more so globaly...

SO yes, british have valid claim.....I say even so, in the name of humankind and true progress, our empires must satiate their thirst for resources not by overcoming eachother but rather by making cohesion between our entire peoples common goals....then we will all live in abundance. Here there any where.....one world...

one love...lol

Originally posted by Neocrusader
but the islands in international waters and unpopulated before English settlers arrived therefore Argentina has no claim

I will just clarify here that most Falkland settlers are of Scots and Welsh heritage, not English. Let's just be clear, this isn;t England acting alone and never was. We're the UK! Don't just blame the English....

Originally posted by Neocrusader
But just 1 more thing - having the Falklands as a British protectorate allows the UK certain rights over areas of the south Atlantic and Antarctic and the means to defend interests in that area
Infact the UK's claimed area is rather disproportionate - its not just about oil peeps

Indeed. The Falklands is more about hanging around until 2030-something when the Treaty expires for Antartica and everyone dives in to gather the resources.... The Oil recently (well, discovered in the 60's but couldn't be extracted) discovered is just the icing on top of a very large and valuable cake.

Originally posted by BRITWARRIOR
WOW


1.6 million

Who are these people... where do they come from... and where do they get there information from?


All i'm seeing is lies based upon lies from the anti British trolls in this thread, people who are supporting throwing innocent Falkland Islanders of there own Island because its close to another country who want there resources

Probably get all their facts from George Galloway and Press TV :-)

Originally posted by BRITWARRIOR
WOW


1.6 million

Who are these people... where do they come from... and where do they get there information from?


All i'm seeing is lies based upon lies from the anti British trolls in this thread, people who are supporting throwing innocent Falkland Islanders of there own Island because its close to another country who want there resources

Probably get all their facts from George Galloway and Press TV :-)

reply to post by newyorkee


With the deals done with the Companies, should they actually extract oil, the Falklanders themselves will stand to benefit quite nicely from it. They're the one's who have done the deals, not the Uk Government. Sure, the UK takes it's cut, but for the few thousand Islanders, striking oil will mean that most of them will never have to worry about anything ever again.

reply to post by stumason


Lol Your ignorance of Latin Americans is disgusting. If you actually were to study Latin America and its diverse people, before opening your arrogant, maleducated mouth, one of the first things you would learn is that Latin Americans tend to be "mestizo" or "mestiza." They tend most to be mixed people with both European and INDIGENOUS origins. They are not only Spaniards, or descendants of only Spaniards, as you so ridiculously, and falsely claim.

Additionally, have enough sense to note: Just because most Latin Americans speak Spanish doesn't mean they don't have indigenous or other European origins too.


Edited to mention that the Falklands are still known to be disputed territory, not British territory. The pro-British imperialist posters in this thread try to make it sound as if it is unquestionably British, but they provide no sources for that claim. Even English-speaking sources that are traditionally biased in your favor like wikipedia don't agree with you. They acknowledge the Falklands are disputed territory, and that the first people that found them were indigenous, not British...

secure.wikimedia.org...

reply to post by Lucidia


So, I "falsley claim" that they are descendants of European immigrants, but they are, as you claim, descendants of European immigrants instead?

Ok chap....Whatever..

BTW, I am aware of interbreeding amongst the natives and settlers. I never disputed that. Go back and read what I said. I never said they were "only" of Spanish descent, but merely descended. I suspect your poor English might have had a hand in your woeful attempt at grasping this extraordinarily simple premise.

There is though a distinct class system based upon your heritage in South America, with those of more white descent certainly being more priveledged than those of mainly indigineous descent.

reply to post by stumason


My apologies
Yes the vast majority of settlers were welsh and scots

England does take a lot of stick on this site for its history I had noticed . A lot of it from biased and unfounded sources or misinterpreted and the good that has been done is forgotten
England and its people was and still is a great nation to which the world owes a great deal
But echoing my previous post - the same can be said for most countries

But nice to see someone else sees the Antarctic link - which is a subject going back to ww2 worth a topic of its own

reply to post by Trueman

It is British and has been for nearly 200 years,the people of the Falkands have a sovereign right to decide who governs them,its called democracy.To pick on an isolated community is cowardice,i remember the war and it was ugly,something i never hope happens again.South America is most probably the most corrupt continent on the planet,what could Argentina offer the Falkland islanders?Theft and guaranteed poverty.
Rule Brittannia!

reply to post by newyorkee

Nothing to do with colonialism nowadays,its about democracy and Argentina has in all reality no rights to the islands as Argentina is a recently fabricated country that its prominent peoples colonized,so your statement lacks substance and reeks of duality and hypocrisy.

Originally posted by newyorkee
reply to post by stumason

 

I get the valid arguments made....I actually think that the UK has the most valid claim to the islands...

SO yes, british have valid claim.....Ione love...lol

blah blah blah


READ FIRST

My friends, this is not about who is the legal owner of the Malvinas/Falklands.

Argentina will always find support about this one, that's because nobody likes the british imperialism and most of people want to see them be defeated at least one time. Please don't get me wrong, not talking about the common british citizens.

Maybe it would be ok if UK have a taste of what they like to do to other countries.

reply to post by Trueman


I wouldnt say they want to see them defeated.....who in that statement?.....the british people?....most dont care that the island is full of british people, Argentinian or not....the flavor is war.....and it is bitter