Christianity, is it child emotional abuse?

Originally posted by gabby2011
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Oh.. I did it myself ?.. I chose one word..incorrectly..never meaning to imply that children we non human.. .......

I'm not blaming you, its just that you have suffered so much abuse from the church, that it now seems to be the norm for you. Do you see how that makes you think that de-humanizing children is nothing?

"oh no, I just used this word instead of that word"

(others see it, even though you do not)

If you continue to ignore this.....I fear you will find yourself in the same circle of your hell, as your priests that bugger little boys.

reply to post by gabby2011

Is that what you teach your children to do?.. make a mountain out of molehill..and cram it down a persons throat to make them feel guilty for something they didn't intentionally want to do...but others took it the wrong way?

I dare say that that is apparently what someone taught YOU to do...sadly. And it is precisely what the Church does with the fear and control tactics they use...

Here is just a tiny part of the "prayers" I was taught by heart from my earliest childhood:

Most merciful God, we confess that we have sinned against you in thought, word, and deed, by what we have done, and by what we have left undone. We have not loved you with our whole heart; we have not loved our neighbors as ourselves. We are truly sorry and we humbly repent, for the sake of your Son Jesus Christ, have mercy on us and forgive us; that we may delight in your will, and walk in your ways, to the glory of your Name. Amen.

www.thirdmill.org...

And this (copied from The Holy Eucharist: Rite One

We are not worthy so much as to gather
up the crumbs under thy Table.

Every Sunday, reminded again and again of the above. "I'm not worthy, I have sinned against you in thought, word and deed, by what I did, and what I did not do... Did not love you, did not love my neighbors. I'm truly sorry and humbly repent."

A little girl, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine years old....every week. Still not worthy. Still screwed it up.

Perplexing at best, shaming and ridiculing at worst. It is what a child hears said about them, or what they are forced to say about themselves, that affect the self-esteem later.

EDIT TO ADD: How does this, above, being drilled into one's head from earliest childhood until escape (in my case it was at 16 years old) from hearing it, impact a kid? I recited it right beside my mom, and I wondered how ALL OF US could be such a hopeless, wretched pile of people, all there together..."we" were losers. It isn't right.

reply to post by wildtimes

Go back and look at your OWN POSTS, the ones you can't EDIT, and you will see more eye-rolling and lolz and ridicule than you'd care to count. It's simple. You know how to follow us all around, do you know how to look at "my posts"?

?? once again.. I ask you why you sent me a u2u inviting me to participate on your thread..

In it you also said you missed my participation in on the boards..?

Why do you insist that I am following you around.. yet I do participate because I received a private message from you asking me to join in?

why is that wildtimes?.. so you can mock what I have to say..and continue to ridicule me ? ..you aren't getting your gabby bashing fix.. so you must seek me out so that I participate in your thread?

This is what bothers me about you wildtimes.. and why I have called you a liar.. its because you have lied..and you continue to try and paint me in a manner that is not true.

Can you confess now to others that you have sent me a u2u asking me to participate? or will you continue to let others believe that I am stalking you?...when in fact it was by your invitation I chose to participate in some threads.

Originally posted by gabby2011

?? once again.. I ask you why you sent me a u2u inviting me to participate on your thread..

In it you also said you missed my participation in on the boards..?

Initially you were thought of as comic relief (face it, you are rather squirrely).....but now its becoming obvious that you are actually mentally unbalanced.

reply to post by wildtimes

Every Sunday, reminded again and again of the above. "I'm not worthy, I have sinned against you in thought, word and deed, by what I did, and what I did not do... Did not love you, did not love my neighbors. I'm truly sorry and humbly repent."

As a child when I prayed that.. I knew I had failed to love God.. and to love others as well as I should have.

If you honestly think a child at the ages of 7 , 8 and 9 .. doesn't fall short of loving they way they should.. I dare you to take a look around at our society..and tell me children are innocent of wrong doing..simply because they are children.

reply to post by gabby2011

Can you confess now to others that you have sent me a u2u asking me to participate? or will you continue to let others believe that I am stalking you?...when in fact it was by your invitation I chose to participate in some threads.

Yep, I did. I "confess", I INVITED you personally to ONE thread. I did not "stalk" you, following you around from thread to thread to bash you. But you seem to find me and "comment" on things I (and others) say, and can't even keep straight who started which threads...I also said to you on the boards....gabby, aren't you going to join in?

It was when I thought we had reconciled that I invited you. Sadly, what you did with that invitation was continue to call me a liar. Silly me. Insult me once, your bad. Insult me innumerable times, still your bad. Invite you, thinking you can reconcile and have a decent converstaion? My bad.

But hey, what can you expect? I suck. The Church told me so! And I admitted it (oh, sorry, "confessed" it) every Sunday for 16 years. Under duress, and never quite clear what exactly I had done wrong as a little kid doing my best. No matter what, it was never good enough.

Originally posted by vogon42

Originally posted by gabby2011

?? once again.. I ask you why you sent me a u2u inviting me to participate on your thread..

In it you also said you missed my participation in on the boards..?

Initially you were thought of as comic relief (face it, you are rather squirrely).....but now its becoming obvious that you are actually mentally unbalanced.

oh..I see.. so its ok to invite me for comic relief.. and to laugh at me.. and its ok to say I am the stalker and abuser because I took the invite..

and now its ok to say I am mentally unbalanced.. because I bring this awareness to the table..

Any more abuse you would like to fling my way?

reply to post by vogon42

Initially you were thought of as comic relief (face it, you are rather squirrely).....

*GASP*
VOGON! Speak for yourself! How DARE you project that onto me??

Originally posted by gabby2011

Originally posted by vogon42

Originally posted by gabby2011

?? once again.. I ask you why you sent me a u2u inviting me to participate on your thread..

In it you also said you missed my participation in on the boards..?

Initially you were thought of as comic relief (face it, you are rather squirrely).....but now its becoming obvious that you are actually mentally unbalanced.

oh..I see.. so its ok to invite me for comic relief.. and to laugh at me.. and its ok to say I am the stalker and abuser because I took the invite..

and now its ok to say I am mentally unbalanced.. because I bring this awareness to the table..

Any more abuse you would like to fling my way

No, I believe you are rather simple minded. and therefore are not capable of realizing the enabling of child abuse that you are an active part of.

reply to post by wildtimes

It was when I thought we had reconciled that I invited you. Sadly, what you did with that invitation was continue to call me a liar. Silly me. Insult me once, your bad. Insult me innumerable times, still your bad. Invite you, thinking you can reconcile and have a decent converstaion? My bad.

another mistruth.. it was the first u2u you sent.. and now I see I was just bait..

somebody for you to argue against.. somebody to egg on by saying Jesus was a buddhist.

If you wouldn't lie wildtimes..I wouldn't call you a liar..simple as that.

We had not seemingly reconciled at all when you sent me that.. I have the order right here of when what was sent first.

reply to post by gabby2011

somebody to egg on by saying Jesus was a buddhist.

If you wouldn't lie wildtimes..I wouldn't call you a liar..simple as that.

GABBY! It's NOT a LIE!!
You really are delusional, gabs.

ETA: Nope, it wasn't the first u2u. The first one was during the Lisa fiasco, when I u2u to to ask you to please tell me what your problem was with me, and to ask you to please lay off.

Remember that? No, I'm sure you don't. It was before you sent ME a u2u telling me what I could do with my opinion of you, calling me a mean, vile bitch, a "Big HYPOCRITE", and warning me that my karma would be horrid.
Nice.

Originally posted by vogon42


No, I believe you are rather simple minded. and therefore are not capable of realizing the enabling of child abuse that you are an active part of.

But don't get me wrong....I don't believe you are evil.....you were just simply seduced by evil, and they are using you as their pawn.

It is possible for you to find salvation.....you just need to break away from the evil child abusers you are now in contact with.

(I will talk to the spirits about your salvation)

reply to post by vogon42

No, I believe you are rather simple minded. and therefore are not capable of realizing the enabling of child abuse that you are an active part of.

I am sorry you are not capable of seeing the human abuse you are an active part of..

Originally posted by gabby2011
reply to post by vogon42

I am sorry you are not capable of seeing the human abuse you are an active part of..

Wow gabby. vogon started this thread to discuss how SOME schools of Christianity abuse the self-esteem of children. Now you're accusing him or her of abusing others?

You just don't get it, gabby, do you? You don't.

Originally posted by gabby2011

I am sorry you are not capable of seeing the human abuse you are an active part of..

Oh, I didn't say that at all.
I dedicated eleven years of my life to defending my country in the military. I realize many parts of that were human abuse.

BUT you do not understand the child abuse you have enabled in the name of your religion.

At least, when I did wrong, I acknowledged I was doing wrong. (because the EVIL did not have that firm of a grip on me)

I hope the gods can perhaps help you find the correct path. (I will speak to them for you)

reply to post by wildtimes

ETA: Nope, it wasn't the first u2u. The first one was during the Lisa fiasco, when I u2u to to ask you to please tell me what your problem was with me, and to ask you to please lay off.

it was the first u2u since then.. and if you can remember correctly.. the first u2u you sent me was calling me stupid..and basically saying that I should see deborah as some evil person because she chose to drink with children under her care...and if I couldn't see why this was all her fault I had problems.

I agreed in the thread she made a bad choice.. but.. she is a human.. and by your words..just as divine as the rest of us...and on her way up the mountain...just like the rest of us..according to you.

reply to post by gabby2011

As a child when I prayed that.. I knew I had failed

But, but...now you don't think you did? See, that's the difference. I figured out that I was not a failure...that I was okay. That the Divine was a part of me, that I was loveable, and not an abject failure unworthy of supper, even if it was only crumbs from the floor under somebody' table.

Originally posted by vogon42

Originally posted by gabby2011

I am sorry you are not capable of seeing the human abuse you are an active part of..

Oh, I didn't say that at all.
I dedicated eleven years of my life to defending my country in the military. I realize many parts of that were human abuse.

BUT you do not understand the child abuse you have enabled in the name of your religion.

At least, when I did wrong, I acknowledged I was doing wrong. (because the EVIL did not have that firm of a grip on me)

I hope the gods can perhaps help you find the correct path. (I will speak to them for you)

Feel free to pray for me.. as I will for you.

The prayers of the saints and those in heaven..are all I need to direct me to truth...and they pray much for those who abuse children...as I do as well.

reply to post by gabby2011


Yep! Deborah Bradley made a terrible mistake, because she didn't think it through and behave like a responsible adult, and now Lisa is gone. Talk about child abuse!

But you climbed all over me for pointing out her "failure" to keep her child safe and with her. I was "evil" for holding her accountable for her actions.

I raised two kids safely from conception to adulthood. Neither of them vanished. I was their lifeline, their caregiver, the one person who was crucial to their survival. Deborah Bradley failed to do that, and you want to excuse her.

reply to post by wildtimes

But, but...now you don't think you did? See, that's the difference. I figured out that I was not a failure...that I was okay. That the Divine was a part of me, that I was loveable, and not an abject failure unworthy of supper, even if it was only crumbs from the floor under somebody' table.

I figured out that Gods love and mercy covered for my failures.... and to deny that I had done nothing wrong..when in my heart I knew I had.. would be lying to myself...as well as God.

There is nothing wrong with a child admitting they have done things that are displeasing to a loving God.

Yep! Deborah Bradley made a terrible mistake, because she didn't think it through and behave like a responsible adult, and now Lisa is gone. Talk about child abuse!

Humans make mistakes wildtimes.. and sometimes nothing happens to their kids.. even to the ones that say or imply they were such good parents.

In the end..God will be the judge..and those who are repentant will receive mercy.