Palestine Exists 2.0

The Land is CANAAN plain and simple....Isreal and Palestine names given by cults and conquerers nothing more nothing less. So time to stop the bickering and relable it to its origins and it sounds better anyway

CANAAN

How to: End a pointless centuries old arguement in one easy step.

This guy scares me, and he will even more if he wins the Republican nomination and if he wins the election then god help us all!.

This is a man who whenever i see him on TV (fox news) its "i did this" its "all my doing" he seem to have a huge ego problem and is stuborn as a mule but the most disturbing thing i saw was a few years ago when he wrote a book (forgive me i forget the title) but essentially he blamed the HOLOCAUST on Winston Churchill saying if Churchill had taken a more modest tone to the nazis then Hitler wouldnt have done half of what he did!

The guys a nut, and NUTS start Wars! and America our friends across the pond can do so much better.

reply to post by JohhnyBGood

why don't you jew haters at least have the decency to just come clean and admit - you just hate jews and want to exterminate every last one of them.

How does pointing out Palestine's undeniable existence equal to Jew Hating?

It looks like you have resorted to this lady's tactics.

reply to post by Corruption Exposed


Sorry their leaders have admitted numerous times that 'the palestinians' are a fabrication - case closed!

Why should the acknowledgement of Palestine as a legitimate state be met with such hatred? Does recognizing Palestine equate "hatred of Jews/Israel"? Why do so many supporters of Israel pull the anti-Semite card out when anyone discusses Palestine?

Are Palestinians anti-Semitic?

The word "Semite" refers to a language and cultural group made up of ancient and modern people. Semitic languages include: Akkadian, Arabic, Aramaic, Moabite, Hebrew, Phonecian, Assyrian, and Babylonian. (Biblically they are considered the descendants of Shem, son of Noah.) According to the Oxford English Dictionary, the first usage of anti-Semitic for a person who discriminates against or is prejudiced against Jews, was in the 1880s (about the same time as the rise of Zionism).

If we return to the original meaning of Semitic, it is difficult to call Palestinians and other Arabs anti-Semitic, since they are themselves Semites. Palestinian Arabs are opposed to the state policies of Israel that deny them legitimate human and civil rights and the right to a State. They are not against the religion of Judaism except as it is used as the rationale for actions against them.

From Holyland Resources which has some additional info at their site.

You can argue about who's right and who's wrong regarding the Palestinian-Israeli conflict all day, but the fact is Palestine exists, and was an official, recognized state before the creation of Israel, and was again an official state after the partitioning by the UN in 1948. It lost territory and statehood after the conflict with Israel but that doesn't mean it land or people ceased to exist.

reply to post by JohhnyBGood

why don't you jew haters at least have the decency to just come clean and admit - you just hate jews and want to exterminate every last one of them.

Jew haters? Care to point them out so we can alert the mods? Oh, yeah, that's right, the only people spewing hate are you are your crew. you guys have a script running that alerts you to any thread with the word "Israel" or "Palestine" ? You must as you seem to be into them spewing your vile, uncalled for, hatred pretty fast.

The only people calling for the extermination of anyone are people like you, openly suggesting all Arabs (Muslims, you guys love to switch them up) be exterminated because they might pose a problem later in life.

you whine and moan about how they HATE the jews. You ever stop and wonder why? You don't think, maybe, the horrific conditions put unto their shoulders by Israel (a JEWISH STATE) has anything to do with it?

don't you think little Salem would be less inclined to blow himself up if he had an honest chance at life?

no of course not, because those people "never existed" and don't exist now, Gaza is actually empty like some of the OWS tent camps, it's all for show right?

The Red Cross, UN, Amnesty International and all other groups who have filed reports on the situation in Gaza are just jew haters and are making it all up right?

If Palestine never existed, where exactly did Israel come from? Cause, now correct me if I'm wrong, Israel is described in the bible, which is pretty old. But, as with many things related to the Hebrews in the bible, most of it has no basis in fact and simply didn't happen. So which made up country comes first, the one mentioned in the bible, or the one mentioned in various maps pre-1948 ?

If the Palestinians never existed, why has ISrael spent years destroying their sacred sites and planting forests?

You are a racist, case closed, don't bother responding.

So a people were invented as "only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity." And now that this is clear, what does this do to the continued babble about peace between Israel and some sort of "Palestine" bordering Israel where the two states are supposed to "exist side by side in peace" after they get to Leon Panetta's damned peace table to sign a worthless peace treaty paper?

Exactly. No peace with Israel. Certainly the rulers of the independent Hashemite kingdom of Jordan, whose population is majority artificial, invented Palestinians, have noted Mohsen's future goal for Jordan--"the moment we reclaim our right to all of Palestine, we will not wait even a minute to unite Palestine and Jordan." So, the artificial Palestinians will not only not live side by side in peace with Israel; on their other side they will not live side by side in peace with their fellow Muslim country, Jordan.

In other words, not only do the invented, artificial Palestinians intend to eliminate Jewish Israel they also hope to wipe out Muslim Jordan, all replaced with an elusive pan Arab invented, artificial country of Palestine. Read more: www.americanthinker.com...

Genocide, mass murder, extermination!? - I think the Hamas charter says it all really.........and for motivation, justification, they invoke 'Allah's promise' to kill all the jews in the endtimes.

But that doesn't sound so good in a UN declaration, poor Palestinian victims play sooo much better.

reply to post by JohhnyBGood


So you will use the Hamas charter to define all Palestinians?

First of all the Hamas charter applies primarily to Gaza only, and not all Gazans are supporters or Hamas. If you can label all Palestinians as Hamas operatives, then I can call all Israeli Jews Mossad agents. I don't think that way, I'm only putting myself in your shoes for a moment.

Mossad's motto is "By Way Of Deception, Thou Shalt Do War."

Would it be fair for me to assume all Jews in Israel think this way?

The oldest relicts always point to the Jews and Christians and all the former empires mentioned in the Bible, the oldest Islamic place is the Dome of Rock Shrine which is at least 688 years later than the Biblical events.

There are probably more Roman relics than Islamic ones in Jerusalem found along with Biblical places homes and pottery which all point to Jewish and Christian and Roman history. The Koran itself states the Bible came before and that the Jews were there before, there is no recorded history to say Jesus supported Allah and that the chosen line were the Arabs and Ishmael neither Jew or Roman supports that theory in all the ancient texts which says otherwise which supports Christianity.

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The Tombs of the Patriarchs in Hebron, West Bank, is a shrine complex built mainly under Herod (1st cent. BC) with additions by the Crusaders (12th century AD). It centers around the Cave of Machpelah, an ancient double cave revered since at least 1000 BC as the burial site of the Hebrew patriarchs Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and their wives.

Today, the Tombs of the Patriarchs is the center of ongoing conflicts between Palestinians and Jews in Hebron and is therefore carefully segregated and under tight security.

Genesis 23:19 and 25:9:
"Abraham buried his wife Sarah in the cave on the plot of land at Machpelah to the east of Mamre, which is Hebron, in Canaan.... [Abraham's] sons, Isaac and Ishmael, buried him in the cave at Machpelah... with his wife Sarah."

reply to post by Corruption Exposed


What palestinians want is irrelevant - it is what the Pan-Arab world and Islamic doctrine call for that matters - and that is Hollocaust II, as you well know!

This is going to be my final post here - but be my guest, twist the reality of the situation to your hearts content - I am sure you will convince a few dupes.

You realize that after the romans took over and renamed Israel* to Palestine to basically mock them? So, actually, the Jews and Israel were there before* Palestine. For the most part, Palestinians are just Arabs, and theyre manipulated by their brothers. But yes, they are basically invented to help the Arabs in their efforts to push Israel into the sea. I give Newt Gingrich props for saying what everyone else was too afraid and too politically correct to say.

Originally posted by isaac7777
You realize that after the romans took over and renamed Israel* to Palestine to basically mock them? So, actually, the Jews and Israel were there before* Palestine. For the most part, Palestinians are just Arabs, and theyre manipulated by their brothers. But yes, they are basically invented to help the Arabs in their efforts to push Israel into the sea. I give Newt Gingrich props for saying what everyone else was too afraid and too politically correct to say.

So basically what you're saying is that the real Jews live in Palestine?.....

Jews seem to be projecting there hatred of everything not of the tribe onto every one else hence you ether love them or you hate them no middle ground.
How can you love a people who you know will lie ,cheat and steal from you at the drop of a hat and don't even consider you to be human but just an animal in human form placed on earth to be there slaves
As i've said before all you have to do is find a reliable english translation of there "holy books" and the mystery of why so many countries throughout history have thrown them out becomes glaringly obvious.

I was reading a report by a psychiatrist who had a few jewish friends and was fascinated by the way that they genuinely couldn't understand why people were upset by the way israel was treating the palestinians, they had no empathy at all, after studying them for a while he came to the conclusion that they were psychopaths, they had no feeling at all for anyone other than other members of the tribe, This psychopathic tendency is mostly prevalent in the ashkenazic Jews.

So some of them are genuinely mystified why people are upset at them for taking back what they think belongs to them.

I don't hate jews, i have no reason to, they have not done anything to me personally, i do feel sorry for them, it's that old empathy thing kicking in, try and imagine going threw life feeling persecuted and that every one wants to kill you, carrying all those psychosis around all the time must be no fun.

reply to post by JohhnyBGood

The supposed quotes from arab leaders you continue to quote again and again are absolute and total nonsense. I have the Arafat interview with Fallaci in my hand right now.

We don't bring up the question of borders. We don't speak of borders in our constitution because those who set up borders were the Western colonialists who invaded us after the Turks. From the Arab point of view, one doesn't speak of borders; Palestine is a small drop in the great Arab ocean. And our nation is an Arab one, it is a nation extending from the Atlantic to the Red Sea and beyond. What we want, ever since the catastrophe exploded in 1947, is to free our land and reconstruct the democratic Palestinian state.
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[Oriana's Question] I see. But this also includes a good piece of land that today is part of Jordan, I mean the whole region west of Jordan. Cisjordania.
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[Arafat's response] What you call Cisjordania is Palestine."

Compare this to the VASTLY different transcript your website gives. I guess some creative hiding using ellipses, and the switching around of a few words does wonders. So no, it isn't "The PLO is fighting Israel in the name of Pan-Arabism", it is "What we want...is to free our land and reconstruct the democratic Palestinian state". And it isn't "Palestine is Jordan", in fact, quite oppositely, it is "Cisjordania is Palestine".
And don't tell me mine is fake, it is from Oriana Fallaci's book itself.

As for the quote from Zuheir Mohsin quote, disregarding the fact that it is completely unverifiable (EVERY reference seems to point in circles to yet another quote of the same thing, finally leading back to a unverified translation of a supposed article in a dutch newspaper from 77), Mohsin was part of the Syrian Ba'ath Party. It is nothing strange that his country wanted to absorb Palestine. Arafat and him vehemently disagreed (and possibly, according to some reports As-Saiqa was battling the PLO).

Of course Palestinians identify as arabs. As do Syrians. And Iraqis. And Yeminis, etc. And they use this as a means of coming together in unity under an "Arab identity". This doesn't mean they aren't also Palestinians, or Syrians or Iraqis or Yeminis, each with their own variations in dialect, culture, food, clothing, etc.
I suppose under such argument, Wallonia in southern Belgium doesn't exist, it is actually really just Northern France.

Here's something nice to make you think fondly of you friendly fuzzy jewish friends.

After Haifa University canceled a lecture on the book "King's Torah" (Torat HaMelech)--which discusses religious regulations on killing non-Jews--the event was healed today Monday, December 12, 2011 at Jerusalem's Hebrew University.

Can you imagine any other religion holding something like this without a world wide outcry.

"King's Torah" was written by Rabbi Yitzhak Shapira and Rabbi Yosef Elizur who also live in Yitzhar and who, according to Israel's Channel 10, have recently joined Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's Likud party.

Oh yipee more psycho's getting into positions of power, just what we need at this time.

reply to post by babloyi


It's meaning is precisely the same as quoted!

excelent post, thank you so much for your contribution! Star and flag!


There is also a stupid article by the Daily Mail written by a rather elocuent and extreme (who came from another etxreme) "journalist" named Melanie Phillips!

I want to warn everyone again about visiting the Daily Mail, it is the most disgusting tabloid news in the UK because they think they can actually talk about improtant stuff like this instead of sticking with their forte: celebrity gossip.

the Jewish journalist actually talks about how corect this Hewt is.

I say again, the Catholics where I went to school with, the priest tought us that Palestine is the actual geographic land and the Biblican land is Israel. This author says also that APlestine is not mentioned in the Bible, but that isnt true!

he word itself is derived from "Plesheth", a name that appears frequently in the Bible and has come into the English language as the name of "Philistine". Plesheth, (root palash) was a general term meaning rolling or migratory. The ancient Philistines were not Arabs, nor even Semites, but were most closely related to the ancient Greeks originating from Asia Minor. The word Palestine (or Palestina) originally identified the region as "the land of the Philistines," a war-like tribe that inhabited much of the region alongside the Hebrew people. But the older name from antiquity for this region was not Palestine, but Canaan, and it is the term most used in the Old Testament regarding this particular parcel of land.


Canaan’s Land Became the Promised Land


After the Exodus from Egypt, probably in the Thirteenth Century BC but perhaps earlier, the Children of Israel settled in the land of Canaan.

Thus, prior to its conquest by the Israelite Hebrews under Joshua, the area referred to today as Palestine was known as the "Land of Canaan," but afterwards it received the name Eretz Yisrael or "land of Israel" (I Samuel 13:19). As recorded in Ezekiel (26:20), Palestine was also referred to as Eretz Chayim in Hebrew, or the land of the living. The land of the living was a symbol-spiritualized term for those living away from the i

The Hebrew name Peleshet (פלשת Pəlésheth)- usually translated as Philistia in English, is used in the Bible more than 250 times. In the Torah / Pentateuch the term is used 10 times and its boundaries are undefined. The later Historical books (see Deuteronomistic history) include most of the biblical references, almost 200 of which are in the Book of Judges and the Books of Samuel, where the term is used to denote the southern coastal region to the west of the ancient Kingdom of Judah.

reply to post by Corruption Exposed


But it is historically a fabricated country. Most of these countries are. Go back to before British rule, and it was not its own culture. It had a name, and that name was Palestine, but it is fabricated to call that name a culture and a people. Showing maps of a region called Palestine is no more proof of its historic existence than drawing a line and saying West Germany and East Germany are different.

Palestine as a name was created by Rome in order to try and erase Israel from existence. Palestine as a people and culture was created by England, either out of stupidity or desire to cause war for justifying a presence.


Either way, Palestinian is a fabricated terminology for a lost group of people that never existed.

reply to post by The time lord


Wrong, the oldest relics are Canaanite, and before that neolithic/paleolithic cultures - none of which were Judaic or Christian. One of the oldest known cities is Jericho, dating back to 9,000 BC. The conquest of Canaan is the subject of the biblical exodus. From a non-biblical purely historical perspective, one Hebrew tribe (the Yisraeli) led by Joshua conquered/destroyed this city and a few others (AI, Bethel). That "conquest" wouldn't culminate until David/Solomon centuries centuries later - and during this time frame "Philista" was also being populated by the same people we today call Palestinians.

The name Palestine, as a geographical term, is of later origin and is derived from the Philistines (peleste) who settled in large numbers along the southern coast (of modern day Israel) in the twefth century BC. The area where they settled became known as Philisita (Joel 3:4), from which, in turn, the Greek name (he palestine) was derived (interesting note: in Hebrew, Palestinians, for instance as in Palestianian Liberation Organization, is called a philisti. This term appears in the Bible and is translated there as Philistine.

Even the Hebrew bible acknowledges both the existence of the people and land of Philista/Peleste/Palestine.



If the ancient boundaries and maps don't convince you of any legitimacy of Palestinian claims, then look again at the British Mandate of 1922. Palestine was a full-fledged and recognized nation (British Mandate for Palestine).



So how does this make the Palestinian people an "invented" people? The only think Newt's comment proves is that he is an ignoramus.