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Originally posted by Sherlock Holmes
reply to post by christina-66
McNaughton Law is not relevant to this case, as that deals with matters of sanity.
In this case, the defence weren't arguing that the accused were ''temporarily insane'' because of drinking. The fact that they were uncharacteristically drunk was used as part of the argument for leniency in their sentencing.
This is what people don't seem to be understanding. They weren't ''let off' for being drunk. Their drunkenness was being used by the defence counsel in mitigation, as it is by just about every single defence lawyer who is representing a client who was under the influence of drink/drugs when they committed the crime.
I've already linked to numerous stories in the UK where people convicted of drunken assault are spared jail. This case is certainly not out-of-the-ordinary, and only makes headlines in certain news outlets because of the religion of the perpetrators.
Originally posted by McGinty
reply to post by EvanB
Pity the botfriend wasn't a kick-boxing expert - if these animals carried permanent scars from this incident it may deter them from doing it again.
I think the judge got played here and was led by the balls between prison overcrowding and these animals playing the religion card. He's not worthy to be a judge.
Originally posted by purplemer
and I dont take well to people making others not feel welcome in their own country.
Originally posted by purplemer
reply to post by Twiptwop
As you did not do very well last time. Why dont you try and tell me again. This time within ATS terms and conditions what you think it means to be English...
Originally posted by ollncasino
Where do you get off making excuses for a bunch of racist Somalis raining in kicks to a motionless body on the ground screaming "Kill the white slag"?
Originally posted by korathin
Originally posted by McGinty
reply to post by EvanB
Pity the botfriend wasn't a kick-boxing expert - if these animals carried permanent scars from this incident it may deter them from doing it again.
I think the judge got played here and was led by the balls between prison overcrowding and these animals playing the religion card. He's not worthy to be a judge.
That why I wuv Pa(Pennsylvania). If this happened in Pa, the boyfriend would of been legally justified to use lethal force.
Originally posted by Sherlock Holmes
Originally posted by ollncasino
Where do you get off making excuses for a bunch of racist Somalis raining in kicks to a motionless body on the ground screaming "Kill the white slag"?
What are you babbling about ''making excuses'' ?
I am not offering any personal opinion on whether the sentencing was right or not. I am explaining that this case is not out of the ordinary in how it was dealt with, but is merely being twisted by racists and Islamophobes for their own sinister agenda.
Why are you even pretending that these Somali women are being treated differently because of their race ? You know that's a flat out lie.
Do I have to spoon feed some of you people everything ?
Here are a number of easily searchable cases where a white person, or someone with a ''British'' name escaped a custodial sentence after being convicted of racially assaulting a black or Asian person.
Racist escapes jail sentence
Father escapes prison for racist attack
Childminder escapes jail for racial assault on two-year-old
No jail for Grangetown woman after racist attack
edit on 7-12-2011 by Sherlock Holmes because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by korathin
Name a similar case of white on muslim violence, where there was no jail sentence due to alcohol and people may be inclined to believe you,
Originally posted by Sherlock Holmes
Why are you even pretending that these Somali women are being treated differently because of their race ?
Do I have to spoon feed some of you people everything?
Originally posted by McGinty
How would you have sentenced these girls?
Originally posted by Cythraul
Originally posted by purplemer
reply to post by Twiptwop
As you did not do very well last time. Why dont you try and tell me again. This time within ATS terms and conditions what you think it means to be English...
Don't bother Twiptwop. Purplemer is one of those people who have been told again and again what Englishness is but simply refuses to accept the given answer because he/she doesn't like it. I've personally written at least 1 or 2 detailed replies to this poster detailing Englishness. Waste of my time.
There is surely no greater form of racism than to deny the existence of an entire ethnic group.
Originally posted by Sherlock Holmes
I am providing facts and evidence to prove my argument, while others are just relying on good, old-fashioned racism, islamophobia and xenophobia.
Originally posted by Sherlock Holmes
I've already linked to numerous stories in the UK where people convicted of drunken assault are spared jail.
Originally posted by ollncasino
A gang of Muslims rain kicks at a motionless body while shouting "Kill the white slag!" and then you come on here justifying why they didn't get a custodial sentence.
Originally posted by ollncasino
Can you link to a case showing a group of white people kicking a motionless Muslim on the ground shouting "Kill the Muslim slag!" escaping a custodial sentence because the were drunk?
Originally posted by Sherlock Holmes
Originally posted by ollncasino
A gang of Muslims rain kicks at a motionless body while shouting "Kill the white slag!" and then you come on here justifying why they didn't get a custodial sentence.
Firstly, their religion is irrelevant.
Secondly, can you please get a semblance of logic in your argument. I am explaining why the lack of a custodial sentence is consistent with current procedures and sentencing guidelines in the UK.
I have provided a number of examples of similar cases where a drunk has escaped jail for a viscous assaults, and where a white person has been spared jail for a racial assault on a non-white.
Some judges are stricter than others, but the current onus is to find alternatives to custodial sentences when possible, due to the record high in the UK prison population. So there are more and more people convicted of assault who are being spared jail.
This case really isn't out of the ordinary.
Originally posted by Twiptwop
Is that why a white English woman who was speaking for the majority on a tram is being held until January? She didn't cause harm to anyone, yet she is in jail.
Explain that...