Muslim girl gang who kicked young woman in the head while yelling 'kill the white slag' escape jai

Originally posted by EvanB
Whilst you have a valid point, I also know to a large extent that had the position been reversed there would have rightly been a huge outcry from minority communities, leaders, human rights groups, a riot or two and huge political pressure bought to bare resulting in lengthy custodial sentences.

No there wouldn't have been an outcry.

Racially-aggravated assaults aren't that rare an occurrence, and there isn't an outcry every time one happens.

Originally posted by EvanB
This case has set a dangerous precident in terms that certain minorities already have an untouchable attitude and this will embolden those of that mindset further.

No precedent has been set.

I have listed a number of similar cases where those convicted of drunken assaults were also spared jail sentences.

In addition, here are a number of cases where the white culprit was spared jail for a racist assault on a black or Asian victim. So, by your reasoning, white people must be emboldened by all these ''unprecedented'' cases:

Racist escapes jail sentence

Father escapes prison for racist attack

Childminder escapes jail for racial assault on two-year-old

No jail for Grangetown woman after racist attack

Originally posted by EvanB
Only true equality in sentencing and implimenting the letter of the law will cure the status quo.

There's no equality on sentencing, as the strictness or leniency of a judge varies from court to court, and also because each case has its own individual circumstances which have an impact on the sentencing.

Originally posted by EvanB
Politics, religion, race need to be kept away from the courtroom.

Lady justice is blind, and does not see race, creed et al.

As far as I see that's what's happened in this case. There is absolutely nothing to suggest that the race of the perpetrators or victim had anything to do with the un-newsworthy sentence that the women received.

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Welcome to Amerika

Originally posted by Frandia
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Welcome to Amerika

This is from the UK...

Originally posted by ollncasino
Yet if a gang of whites had assaulted a somali Muslim shouting "Kill the black slag!" the racially-aggravated assault charge would have been pursued with extreme vigour.

LOL.

Have you got anything to support this notion, other than your own rather biased and factually devoid assertion ?

Have you not considered the more practical reasons WHY racially-aggravated charges mightn't have been brought ? Such as the number of eye-witnesses who heard the remarks ?

Originally posted by ollncasino
And they would have stuck.

So you're accusing the lawyers, jury and judge at any random court in the country of all being party to some bizarre conspiracy to imprison white people for racist attacks ?

Originally posted by ollncasino
And people like you struggle to understand why people are angry.

I understand why you're angry. You've probably got some ingrained prejudice against people who are ''different'' to you, and you use biased, agenda-ridden news sources such as The DailyFail to feed your paranoid suspicions and to confirm your pre-conceived prejudices.

Originally posted by Sherlock Holmes

I understand why you're angry. You've probably got some ingrained prejudice against people who are ''different'' to you, and you use biased, agenda-ridden news sources such as The DailyFail to feed your paranoid suspicions and to confirm your pre-conceived prejudices.

edit on 7-12-2011 by Sherlock Holmes because: (no reason given)

It's better than being a pro immigration, pro multicultural invasion, anti English, anti democratic, left wing shill like you. Go and do something useful, like making daisy chains for peace and the continued hatred of white people and the English race from copies of the Guardian.

Originally posted by Sherlock Holmes

There is absolutely nothing to suggest that the race of the perpetrators or victim had anything to do with the un-newsworthy sentence that the women received.

Well nothing apart from the fact that as the Somali gang were kicking the white girl on the ground they were shouting "Kill the WHITE bitch!"

You really are having a laugh.

Don't you ever get tired of defending the inexcusable?

Originally posted by Sherlock Holmes

Originally posted by EvanB
Whilst you have a valid point, I also know to a large extent that had the position been reversed there would have rightly been a huge outcry from minority communities, leaders, human rights groups, a riot or two and huge political pressure bought to bare resulting in lengthy custodial sentences.

No there wouldn't have been an outcry.

Racially-aggravated assaults aren't that rare an occurrence, and there isn't an outcry every time one happens.

Originally posted by EvanB
This case has set a dangerous precident in terms that certain minorities already have an untouchable attitude and this will embolden those of that mindset further.

No precedent has been set.

I have listed a number of similar cases where those convicted of drunken assaults were also spared jail sentences.

In addition, here are a number of cases where the white culprit was spared jail for a racist assault on a black or Asian victim. So, by your reasoning, white people must be emboldened by all these ''unprecedented'' cases:

Racist escapes jail sentence

Father escapes prison for racist attack

Childminder escapes jail for racial assault on two-year-old

No jail for Grangetown woman after racist attack

Originally posted by EvanB
Only true equality in sentencing and implimenting the letter of the law will cure the status quo.

There's no equality on sentencing, as the strictness or leniency of a judge varies from court to court, and also because each case has its own individual circumstances which have an impact on the sentencing.

Originally posted by EvanB
Politics, religion, race need to be kept away from the courtroom.

Lady justice is blind, and does not see race, creed et al.

As far as I see that's what's happened in this case. There is absolutely nothing to suggest that the race of the perpetrators or victim had anything to do with the un-newsworthy sentence that the women received.

I don't mean to be rude, but do you work for the police or in the criminal prosecution service? Well as someone with exeperience, I should just say that you can take all those figures and links and throw them out of the window. I cannot say for each case but I know from experience that pretty much all the racially aggrevated crimes that were convicted that were spared prison sentences usually due to information such as severity, witness statements, provocation, previous, personal circumstances (if you're employed, have a family and have a mortgage it can go a long way in court) all these things add up and I will tell you now that if an assault occurs between a white on a non-white, the Police will always look to go for racially aggrevated! All the time! This is because it usually ends in a conviction, where as the reverse usually won't. This is why more often than not cases collapse or the judge is very lenient as although assault may have occured, it's very difficult to say if it was racially motivated. However, this case, had it been in reverse would've definately got a prison sentence! I can tell you that now and I can also tell you that had they not and that case come to public as this has, there would've been protests. Just because you don't hear of protests, doesn't mean they don't happen and there has been plenty with regards to cases that have collapsed or failed to gain a prison sentence surrounding a racially aggrevated case, due to bascially it not being racially aggrevated to begin with! To say that there is not a racial bias in the system is wrong, there is, because as with everything in this country, they think the best way to solve a problem is to simply swing in the extreme to the other direction and this is exactly what is happening today.

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These girls were Somalian and born Muslims, but clearly not living by their fate! Drinking alcohol is not part of Islam.

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What is wrong with you?

You cannot see the irony of the whole issue?

You cannot see that they have used religion to escape punishment?

Well I know you can see those things but you are the almost certainly the privileged few, your education is good and I'll bet you live no where near council estates our non integrated zones. You I'll bet but apologise if I'm proved wrong just sit on your PC righting apparent wrongs of our nation without so much as sniffing the problem personally, much like our legal system. A system made up of mostly Masonic middle to upper class people who like MP's only see the real public when they have to.

Lets point out a few facts here...

These girls are NOT Muslim, they are would be by name Muslims.

True Muslim women even on Twitter or Facebook would still cover their hair as request in the book its a basic requirement for them when others who are not family look upon them. These girls are caked in makeup, again, not looked upon well in the religion, certainly something the parents would have been either aware of or simply excused it, not very religious.

There's evidence that suggest this was not their first time drinking and going out to clubs by the way one announced on Facebook after the trial. I'm pretty sure by their demeanour on the video that these girls were not shy of fighting and had done it before, possibly they have been known to the Police before. The body language of the fighting is natural, the method is rehearsed and its clear to me that these were not very religious in their way.

There's no religion of peace in these louts!

In addition, we have as I've said before, many Somalian gangs on this Estate, they are all involved in the supply of drugs, all are seen dealing and smoking, one of the major known suppliers here is a very tall Somalian woman who is covered in head to toe in a Muslim way, she walks past my window daily taking one of her children to play school, she is ALWAYS smoking, she's yet another person that is outwardly Muslim but in fact not doing anything the book approves of.

I'm pretty sure I've never seen "You must deal in the name of Allah" any where in the book...(fact, its not in there)

All of this isn't Islamophobia (please that's such an unreal world used normally by PC fools) its fact, I'm not a Muslim myself but my in-laws are and I'm VERY versed on the Muslim religion and those that follow the book and those that follow the man made verses, my in laws are lovely decent hard working integrated people.

The fact that they used being a Muslim as a defence disgusts me, its a religion which they clearly were not obeying correctly and its setting something of a precedent for future defences..

"your Honour, I'm a Muslim and not used to drink and attacked people" be nice to me or I'll scream race...

I'm sorry but this sort of nonsense must be stamped out before its allowed to encourage hatred towards ordinary normal Muslims who don't attack or abuse people and who DON'T drink.

Rolling out the Islamophobia routine is so old now, this is a case of racial abuse and prolonged physical assault, you actually see one of the so called drunk girls (who seemed VERY co-ordinated to me) laying on the floor when the Police come and started staggering around yet during the video she seems very nimble on her feet while kicking the girl on the floor.

These are pure lout girls who I dare say may have previous with the Police out clubbing (unlike devout Muslim girls) and on the lash, they then for some reason targeted these two, I have no idea what wording was exchanged between the two sets but nothing allows the wanton violence display by all the girls attacking.

To use religion was a pure trick, I have no Islampohobia in me and I dare say most on here do not but they have every right to say that this country is being targeted and abused by Radical Islam...RADICAL.

Things like Woman Muslim only swimming hours, segregated eating places etc etc are a nonsense, as any Muslim woman will tell you, the only thing about a public swimming pool is that it must be an all woman evening, that's the only religious clause, the fact you have radicals wanting total separation from Western non Muslims is a horrendous issue that Iman's should be fixing.

Sadly, many Mosques are directly ordered around by Saudi, many imported preachers are from the Wuhharbi (my spelling may be wrong here)side which is extremely radical. British people see these radicals as a threat and so they should, just ask them what their man made version of Islam wants them to do here.

Originally posted by SecretFace
I don't mean to be rude, but do you work for the police or in the criminal prosecution service?

Well as someone with exeperience... ...if an assault occurs between a white on a non-white, the Police will always look to go for racially aggrevated! All the time! This is because it usually ends in a conviction, where as the reverse usually won't.

...this case, had it been in reverse would've definately got a prison sentence!

Well said.

Sherlock Holmes is what is known as a barrack room lawyer.

I really do wish he would go off and make some daisy chains instead of making a bad situation worse by spouting his ignorance and just making people angrier.

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Fantastic post! Probably the best post in the thread, mainly because it speaks of the reality of the situation and not from some liberal's perception based on watching Channel 4 documentaries from a nice rural location.

I cannot remember any era where as much money was spent trying to "integrate" cultures that plainly should never have been made welcome in our country. I would like to know the figures; just how much money is spent on ethnic youth and their "needs" in comparison to indigenous English youth. I am willing to bet that the difference is staggering.

Anyone else interesting in submitting a FOIA request to the Home Office?

Originally posted by ollncasino
Well nothing apart from the fact that as the Somali gang were kicking the white girl on the ground they were shouting "Kill the WHITE bitch!"

And what relevance has that got to do with the sentence they received for assault ?

Nothing.

Originally posted by SecretFace
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Fantastic post! Probably the best post in the thread, mainly because it speaks of the reality of the situation and not from some liberal's perception based on watching Channel 4 documentaries from a nice rural location.

Thank you, its nice to be appreciated..

And yes, I am extremely grounded in my knowledge and any actual proper Muslim would confirm what I have written is true.

I'm fed up with the do gooder arrogant brigade of snobs throwing every problem at the feet of the British public, some citing Emma West as proof of us, Emma West is an idiot, a poorly educated, partially drunk racial idiot not worth the press who has been hoisted into the public eye ensuring what should have been a Police caution for stupidity into a doll to stick pins in.

Many of my mates who are Black actually looked at the video and just called here a stupid idiot, there were no death threats, they saw what it was......Now she's going to be strung out, she's apparently in prison to protect here although judging by my friends comments I doubt its the Afro English folk doing the threats, I'd guess I know who is.

This issue while jumped on by the racial types is an issue that is affecting all people of all races and creeds who call themselves British. Radical Islam is no friend of any of us and coincidentally not very friendly to normal worshipping Muslims either.

Originally posted by SecretFace
However, this case, had it been in reverse would've definately got a prison sentence! I can tell you that now and I can also tell you that had they not and that case come to public as this has, there would've been protests.

There have been many cases, some of which I've linked to, where white people convicted of assaulting a non-white person has also been spared jail, so I'm not quite sure what you base your assertion on.

Originally posted by Sherlock Holmes

And what relevance has that got to do with the sentence they received for assault ?

I am rapidly coming to the conclusion that you either aren't the sharpest tool in the shed or you are being delivery evasive.

The gang of Somali Muslims were not charged with a racially aggravated assault, although white attackers, if the roles had been reversed, would have been.

Don't take my word for it. Ask SecretFace who has direct experience on how the police and courts approach such matters.

Originally posted by SecretFace

...if an assault occurs between a white on a non-white, the Police will always look to go for racially aggrevated! All the time!

This is because it usually ends in a conviction, where as the reverse usually won't..

Originally posted by Sherlock Holmes
There have been many cases, some of which I've linked to, where white people convicted of assaulting a non-white person has also been spared jail, so I'm not quite sure what you base your assertion on.

I'll ask you again.

Can you provide a link to a case illustrating a gang of whites assaulting a black person on the ground shouting "Kill the black slag!" and then walking away from court because they had been drinking and they can't handle their drink?






Thought not .

Originally posted by Twiptwop
I cannot remember any era where as much money was spent trying to "integrate" cultures that plainly should never have been made welcome in our country. I would like to know the figures; just how much money is spent on ethnic youth and their "needs" in comparison to indigenous English youth. I am willing to bet that the difference is staggering.

Anyone else interesting in submitting a FOIA request to the Home Office?

You have to be careful here, there's several issues to look.

1. Many cultures have come here and integrated perfectly well, so well that you have to thank them for some of the back bone of the country.

2. The one main problem here is RADICAL Islam, normal Muslims in general integrate very well, apart from a head scarf when she goes out I'd bet my mother in law could walk past you, talk to you and you would have no idea she's a Muslim.

She prays, goes to the Mosque but other than that she's a well known figure on the road she has lived on for over 50yrs in Chiswick West London. Her neighbours are from a variety of backgrounds and religions and its a very peaceful like road (bar the traffic)

3. Young people in general get a lot more money spent on them than some are worth, I'm from the era of the nice holidays to lovely countries to apparently mellow these poor lads and lasses down, of course it wasa complete waste of cash all around, perhaps one of the most stupid schemes I've ever see the PC brigade invent.

I'd imagine the money side would be weighted in the immigrants favour simply based upon trying to bring so many non English speakers in to our schools, the level of non English in my daughters school is shocking. An ability to speak or be trained in English to enter the UK to stay is really a must. You simply would find it almost impossible unless you were rich to integrate in some of these countries, they do not print council forms in 100 languages, its done in the local language..Learn it or lose out.

Which I say is fair....

This country has many very stupid immigration policies, by that token it has as many very stupid laws as well.

As said, many cultures have come and mixed, but this Radical Islam isn't here to mix at all, its here to convert and promote the additon or take over of Shariah ways and law.

And that's a fact...Ask them, they won't be shy telling you trust me...

Originally posted by SteveR

Originally posted by McGinty
Pity the botfriend wasn't a kick-boxing expert - if these animals carried permanent scars from this incident it may deter them from doing it again.

Pity they aren't given 48 hours to pack up and leave the country or face immediate deportation. Why should we harbour people who hate our country, hate the native population and express themselves violently towards us? It makes no sense whatsoever.

Furthermore, why are Muslims even eligible for immigration? Their belief system has continually shown itself to be incompatible with our way of life. It is deeply offensive to our values. Truth be told, it should be outlawed. Their thuggery belongs in the desert not in the streets of Europe.

Personally i believe our headonistic culture could learn a thing or two from desert dwellers. But i sympathise with your belief that such immigrants should be sent packing. However, i think we can imagine how such a policy would end up being abused by TPTB.

Broadening powers allows the innocent to fall through the gaps as well as the guilty punished.

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It seems I have to remind you of our conversation again:

Originally posted by Sherlock Holmes
There is absolutely nothing to suggest that the race of the perpetrators or victim had anything to do with the un-newsworthy sentence that the women received.

Originally posted by ollncasino
Well nothing apart from the fact that as the Somali gang were kicking the white girl on the ground they were shouting "Kill the WHITE bitch!"

Originally posted by Sherlock Holmes
And what relevance has that got to do with the sentence they received for assault ?

So, I ask you again: what relevance did the words that the women allegedly said towards their victim have to do with the sentence which they received for assault ?

You claimed it had some relevance, but have failed to state how.