Jesus is NOT a copy from Pagan religions! Those are lies! Do research and do not believe!

reply to post by NewAgeMan


No what is a narrow viewpoint is that out of the Trillions and Trillions of Stars and Galaxies in our Universe a Supreme Being in charge of it all would actually give a crap about this little piece of rock and it's inhabitants. It's human ego to think we are so special.

And what about my question about Good Firday and Easter Sunday being on different days every year?

And what about the thousand of other books written about Jesus and his life that were disposed of by Emporer Constatine to get his 66 books?

Originally posted by RevelationGeneration

Originally posted by Darkmask
reply to post by arpgme

 

Jesus was a mortal man and a cult leader and nothing more.

2nd line

Any evidence to support this or are you just another dishonest atheist making unsubstantiated claims?

Funny how if you don't believe in him that you would go out of your way to attack him isn't it.

edit on 4-12-2011 by RevelationGeneration because: (no reason given)

I would have to say first of all that you prove what you say is true. And you cannot. The KJV Bible is corrupt, and made up from stories, myths, and legends, and the man you speak of cannot be a God, he bled when cut, and died and was buried, he was a man.

The Coffin of Christ

Discovery Channel Video on the Find

The tomb contained 10 coffins, six of which had inscriptions, which translated into English, included the names "Jesus son of Joseph", "Maria" twice and "Judah son of Jesus," strongly suggesting what Di Vinci Code author Dan Brown said was true, Jesus and Mary were in fact married, and bore several children from that marriage.

Was there a Jesus? Of course there was a Jesus – many!

Almost all the new versions rely heavily on a different set of manuscripts which alter the text in thousands of places in the New Testament alone. These new manuscripts were used to rewrite the Greek New Testament by a couple of individuals that I would consider questionable at best. King James was no "Saint,"
he too was a man with an agenda.

Notes on the King James Translation and the so-called Textus Receptus

Originally posted by lucifuge
reply to post by NewAgeMan

 

And what about my question about Good Firday and Easter Sunday being on different days every year?

Doesn't the day of your birthday change from year to year or am i missing something here?

Originally posted by Grimpachi

Religion is responsible for more murder than anything else throughout history.

The idea that contraception is evil. The very idea of evil is archaic. Putting faith in something that has caused so much death and destruction will be what I call evil. There is a book you should both read it is called Conversations with God it was written by a man named Neil Donald Walsh. It may just open your eyes to what God truly wants for us. I feel sorry for both of you. Be at peace.

On a whole we became less violent as the civilization has aged. Early man was most likely extremely violent but then the violence probably seemed normal to them. Actually they learned from predatory animals to be violent, not that the animals are violent just that is how they survived. Take away those wild beasts, which actually serve no purpose and i am fairly certain human nature would be much different.

PT Barnum was right.

If the root of the Christian belief system is faith, then why all this quest for "proof" and a desire to "debunk"?

It reeks of insecurity.

Faith doesn't require proof. Shouldn't you just believe what you believe and let the people that disagree with you go about their business? Have the strength of your convictions and stop trying to prove a story for which there is no proof. (Oh, and a magic book that relies on the circular logic that it;'s true because it says it is isn't proof.)

Originally posted by Malcher

Originally posted by lucifuge
reply to post by NewAgeMan

 

And what about my question about Good Firday and Easter Sunday being on different days every year?

Doesn't the day of your birthday change from year to year or am i missing something here?

Go back and re-read what you wrote. Then after you're done kicking yourself, you might finally understand how ignorant your comment was.


reply to post by RevelationGeneration


I came across this clip and I thought I'd share it with you. For those who believe in a higher power, whether that power be found in the East or the Western world, whether you believe in a single creator, earth spirits, or your beliefs fall under Polytheism, this vid's for you.

Originally posted by RevelationGeneration

Originally posted by Darkmask
reply to post by arpgme

 

Jesus was a mortal man and a cult leader and nothing more.

2nd line

Any evidence to support this or are you just another dishonest atheist making unsubstantiated claims?

Funny how if you don't believe in him that you would go out of your way to attack him isn't it.

edit on 4-12-2011 by RevelationGeneration because: (no reason given)

But you've been given proof that Jesus was a mortal man. I posted a link to the court outcome of copywrite about those two books and the court ruled that though one book was fiction the historical aspect that Jesus was a man and got Mary pregnant was historical fact. I posted that link in response to what you said and then after you edited what you first said you didn't bother reponding to the evidence I gave you but rather chose to pretend that I didn't answer your challenge.

Funny how you don't believe that Pagans religions are true but you go out of your way to attack them. Funny how when fact is presented to you through links to credible sites you go out of your way to pretend it didn't happen.

Here's the link if anyone wants to read it. www.abovetopsecret.com...

The worst part of this entire debate is that you have a few dimestore experts on what they think is the truth on Christ. Just because you have seen a couple mediocre anti-Christian videos on YouTube or can regurgitate some rhetoric you heard on TV, does nothing but make you sound ignorant. Many like to poke holes or attempt to discredit the bible. But, sadly these individuals have never bothered to actually READ the bible. If you claim to be so logical, intelligent, forward-thinking, and rational...investigate the bible to find truth, not to disprove it. Don't even take it on faith like many ask. Approach it as a historian or scientist and you will find that the material supports itself. Also, let the bible speak for itself. Please do not mistake man-made church doctrine into it's message. Do not allow the cliches about dinosaurs, evolution, or gay marriage muddy the waters. These are controversies created by man not God.

Many in this thread have claimed that the divinity of Christ as invented after his death. This is so absolutely ridiculous! Obvoiusly, they have done no research on the topic. I could quote scripture all day to prove my point, but since that is not a "credible" source to many of you, what's the point? You might as well insist that Abraham Lincoln sailed the Santa Maria across the ocean in 1492 and scoff at those "Columbus fairy tales".

Most importantly, to those of you who seem to detest Christ or think that the idea of Christianity is farsical...Jesus loves you too, and so do I. One day your self-will and progressive ideology will become weak as water, even in your own eyes. When that day comes, Christ Jesus will welcome you with love and open arms. You are all his children. Merry Christmas...peace on Earth and good will towards ALL men!

RP

We rarely agree, but you are spot on about this. S&F. The least I can do.


steveknows

But you've been given proof that Jesus was a mortal man. I posted a link to the court outcome of copywrite about those two books and the court ruled that though one book was fiction the historical aspect that Jesus was a man and got Mary pregnant was historical fact.

No. Jesus' sex life was not before the court, so the court did not make a finding on the subject. Even if it had, a judicial finding does not mean that what the finding asserts is true.

The issue before the court was whether the earlier book had made historical fact claims, not whether those claims were true. The book said that Jesus had a child by Mary Magdalene. It happened or it didn't, but either way, the authors of the book get no royalty from anybody who takes their claim at face value. If true, then Jesus and Mary did the work, not the authors.

In a note especially suited to ATS, Random House, MSM with oak leaf clusters, publishes both books. That was something that the judge found as a fact. It is also true.

Of course, being in the news had no effect whatsoever on the sales of either book, and it is utterly inconceivable that this was a "collusive lawsuit," lawyer-speak for a sham to use the courts as a publicity vehicle for both sides to make money.

www.independent.co.uk...

www.imdb.com...

(Compare release date with the date of the judge's ruling.)

RG presents a broad target cross-section. Nevertheless, you missed.

Originally posted by FugitiveSoul

Originally posted by Malcher

Originally posted by lucifuge
reply to post by NewAgeMan

 

And what about my question about Good Firday and Easter Sunday being on different days every year?

Doesn't the day of your birthday change from year to year or am i missing something here?

Go back and re-read what you wrote. Then after you're done kicking yourself, you might finally understand how ignorant your comment was.


reply to post by RevelationGeneration

 

I came across this clip and I thought I'd share it with you. For those who believe in a higher power, whether that power be found in the East or the Western world, whether you believe in a single creator, earth spirits, or your beliefs fall under Polytheism, this vid's for you.

edit on 5-12-2011 by FugitiveSoul because: (no reason given)

This priest is an Anglican priest NOT a Roman Catholic priest. Gamble your eternal life on atheist's opinion. Atheists can't explain mental prayer that results in miraculous healing. They can't explain the marks on the Shroud or the Tilma of Guadalupe. Nor can they can explain the marks of Christ's crucifixtion on the saints, a powerful one, thousands of miracles due to his intercession when he was alive here and now that Padre Pio is in Heaven.

Pray for disbelievers conversion.

Originally posted by jtap66
PT Barnum was right.

If the root of the Christian belief system is faith, then why all this quest for "proof" and a desire to "debunk"?

It reeks of insecurity.

Faith doesn't require proof. Shouldn't you just believe what you believe and let the people that disagree with you go about their business? Have the strength of your convictions and stop trying to prove a story for which there is no proof. (Oh, and a magic book that relies on the circular logic that it;'s true because it says it is isn't proof.)

jt,

God doesn't give up, sometimes He gives special signs of His presence. Hey,
your next breath should be a sign but the doubters. 70,000 Christian, non-Christian and a few atheists saw the "miracle of the sun" at Fatima in
1917.

reply to post by Grimpachi


Grimpachi,

Who is arguing? I gave proof, names, dates of the first Bible, the Latin Vulgate. Revelation has not, nothing to prove Protestantism canonized Scripture. Imagine, since 1517 Protestants protest the Church that gave them their new
authority, the Bible!!

Man has a fallen nature, there have always been battles and murder and war.
So what, look to goodness. Where does that come from? From Christ, He is the way, the truth and the Life. He said it and there are millions of witnesses to this fact.

Christ established a Church not Churches (Matt 16:18). He established a
hierarchy, a Sacramental system which is a means to His grace. The greatest
grace is the Eucharist.

Thank you for replying but not a word from anyone about the Great Warning propheised to happen very soon. Jesus wants everyone to believe the same because there is one plan, one Truth.


blessings to you,

reply to post by NewAgeMan

hi New Age Man

You wrote:

QUOTE

"Of course Mary's lineage, as depicted in one of the Gospels, her family tree, still does go back to King David, but of course it's not without it's own intrigue and controversy, even every sin in the book..."

UNQUOTE

I cannot see what exact canonical Greek Gospel to which you are referring here -

Clearly, any close reading of these mangled hand-copied Greek texts reveal that the two 'Daviddic' Genealogies - the first one can be found in the 1st canonical Greek gospel ('according to Matthew' whoever he was) and the second one can be found in the 3rd canonical Greek gospel ('according to Luke,' whoever he was) - and there is ABSOLUTELY NO genealogy of Miryam of Galilee ('Mary') in EITHER of them - BOTH of these fake genalogies are purportedly of the 'daviddic' bloodline of Yosef-Joseph (either Yosef bar Heli or Yosef bar Yakkov, who knows which one is right) and moreover they DO NOT match each other very closely if you line them up side by side (try doing it so you can see for yourself) and start comparing names).

So what exactly are you blubbering on about here? Oh, and DO be precise, please.

reply to post by colbe


How does being an Episcopalian make him an Atheist exactly?
And I'm not gambling my eternal life on anyone. Not like I would go to hell anyway, at least not in the sense of the word in which you think it means, and my soul is beyond eternal. "Eternal" would foster that there is a limit to my existence.

reply to post by mantisfortress

Also, let the bible speak for itself. Please do not mistake man-made church doctrine into it's message.

The entire bible itself is a canon of manmade doctrine.

Many in this thread have claimed that the divinity of Christ as invented after his death. This is so absolutely ridiculous! Obvoiusly, they have done no research on the topic.

Please provide a link to any writings discussing Christ while he was alive please, emphasis on discussing his "divinity."

Most importantly, to those of you who seem to detest Christ or think that the idea of Christianity is farsical...Jesus loves you too, and so do I.

I don't think anyone "detests" Jesus. The concensus is he was a great teacher, but that's it.

Originally posted by GmoS719

Originally posted by boymonkey74
reply to post by arpgme

 

Sorry I don't count you tube videos made by Christians as proof.....
Not bothering with this thread cos at the end of the day I don't believe any of it so....

edit on 2-12-2011 by boymonkey74 because: (no reason given)

So he lays evidence on the table and you walk away lol.
Typical of A LOT of people.

When are people going to shut up and accept that NONE of us know what's going on in the entirety of the universe. Particles of matter floating in space clumped into gas clouds spanning light years which eventually collapsed under the pull of gravity into what we on this chunk of rock named stars. The pressure at the core of stars causes complex atoms to be formed out of the most simple. Those atoms are the elements which make up all known matter of the universe. The stars gave rise to planets, galaxies, black holes and even life. The stars are "god." Whatever began the rapid expansion of space will probably never be known and given the messed up situation humans have put themselves in it doesn't really matter right now, does it?

Originally posted by colbe
70,000 Christian, non-Christian and a few atheists saw the "miracle of the sun" at Fatima in
1917.

Roughly 70,000 human beings die from hunger each and every day. A miracle would be for an end to violence from these many religious sects across the world so that we can focus on peace, love and care.

Originally posted by Dystopiaphiliac

Roughly 70,000 human beings die from hunger each and every day. A miracle would be for an end to violence from these many religious sects across the world so that we can focus on peace, love and care.

Right on! With any luck the religions will fall.. personal spirituality will be whats left and we can get on with healing our world.

Originally posted by LunaKat

Originally posted by Dystopiaphiliac

Roughly 70,000 human beings die from hunger each and every day. A miracle would be for an end to violence from these many religious sects across the world so that we can focus on peace, love and care.

Right on! With any luck the religions will fall.. personal spirituality will be whats left and we can get on with healing our world.

Yup instead of arguing all the time saying "My God is real, Yours is Satan" why don't they practice what they preach and help sort out this mad mad world.

reply to post by boymonkey74


That would be nice wouldn't it? Agree with you boymonkey. Also the freedom from spirituality/religion has to remain intact too if anyone would rather that than following their own spiritual path (minus formal religions). But I really don't see us healing things up until religions which only derail everything cease.

Most bible scholars believe that Jesus was born in the fall not the winter. Why is this? Because the shepherds were with their flocks in the fields and in the winter time they keep the flocks in caves to stay warm. The dec 25th date is all BS from the Catholic church. When the church became the state religion under Constantine they would harmonize pagan dates like the dec 25 winter solstice along with the Egyptian celebration of ester. The catholic church has done more damage to Christianity by making traditions infallible and not actual bible facts.