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Originally posted by seenavv
Originally posted by boymonkey74
Not bashing it at all , but couldnt the phones have been blown out of the plane and landed on the send button when they fell to the ground?
Lol sounds really silly but I bet this would have been the answer in the commission's report.edit on 1-12-2011 by boymonkey74 because: bloody Dyslexia grrrr
I highly doubt the phone could've flown out the plane but i was thinking of a more plausible theory
If you've ever texted with a cellphone, sometimes texts can take a 5-10min or even up to a few hours to be sent. It doesn't happen often but I've seen it happen many times in the past. The timestamp with the phone on the recieving end always shows when it received the text, not when it was sent.
Considering there must have been a lot of traffic amongst the communication towers it may have caused a delay between messages being sent at the time.... Just a thoery and i might be totally wrong.
But regardless i still believe 911 was entirely an inside job and i wouldnt be surprised to hear the real planes were swapped somehowedit on 1-12-2011 by seenavv because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by ProudBird
reply to post by remymartin
Can you explain why the ACARS message was routed through MDT IN HARRISBURG at 08:59 eastern time.
Yes.
The ACARS messages when up-linked are sent to the nearest ground station that is where the airplane is predicted to be, based on its Flight Plan data.
It's that simple. All those claims made about the airplane having "received" the ACARS messages sent through those various up-link stations in Pennsylvania are simply not true. The "evidence" are the message print-outs, derived from United Airline's own Dispatch department records. The date and time stamp at the bottom appears to be merely their own format, for internal use of Dispatch, to confirm an acknowledgement from the ARINC network that their inputted message was received, and was processed to be transmitted by the ARINC system.
Originally posted by ProudBird
Rob Balsamo is simply lying, and in a way that is seemingly intentional, by making it as complicated as possible, but dropping in innuendo along the way. It is a long-seen tactic, and his apparent "hope" is it will continue to foster confusion, and thus steer people to keep "donating" to his ridiculous website, and long-dead "cause".
His whole attempt, there....is an obvious ploy to just "Razzle Dazzle 'em!!"....
reply to post by wrkn4livn
I think your right on here. ACARS is s fairly low priority message and could have been bumped back in the que with all the other military/National defense traffic on the lines. They were crammed! Remember, it's how NEXTEL got all the free band-width from the FCC (thank you Mr. Bush) right after 9/11. Messages were not getting through.
Well this was an ironic statement, considering the tactic you used in following responses to me is the very same thing here - "Razzle Dazzle" us with pictures, and lectures about the ACARS system.....
.... all the while failing to directly address the evidence on hand, and beating around the bushes talking about Radar returns, transponders codes, and so on.
I think we all figured out pretty quickly early on in the thread (the very first post actually, thank you TrueAmerican) everything you tried to explain to us about how it works, without ever getting to the nitty gritty of that mysterious second timestamp to UAL175@1323Z, the acknowledgement one.
Beyond the pilots for 911 truth presentation, we have the scanned ACARS messages on hand along with Mr Bellinger's notes and highlights of messages sent to the aircraft involved on 11SEP01, so lets get the whole "it was manufactured" claim out of the way before that starts.
Just the facts, please.
Rob Balsamo, of the so-called "pilots for truth", once again is at his most deceptive. Smoke and mirrors, that's all he's got, at this stage of the game.
Looking at the link you provided: Balsamo lists the three ACARS messages, two at 0903 EDT, and one at 0923 EDT (1303 and 1323 Zulu/UTC respectively).
BUT then, he writes:
According to the above statement made by Mr. Ballinger, all of the above messages were received by the aircraft.
I would like to see the sources to this information please? You failed to provide a link to your claim?
As for the rest it is only your opinion,and the fact is you have not debunked anything here.
Rob Balsamo is simply lying, and in a way that is seemingly intentional, by making it as complicated as possible, but dropping in innuendo along the way. It is a long-seen tactic, and his apparent "hope" is it will continue to foster confusion, and thus steer people to keep "donating" to his ridiculous website, and long-dead "cause".
His whole attempt, there....is an obvious ploy to just "Razzle Dazzle 'em!!"....
Lying? I would like to see the evidence that proves this man is not being truthful, not your opinion. If you cannot back your claim than it would be fair to say you’re not being honest about calling Rob Balsamo a liar.
The entire crux of the claims from the "source" is bogus. The claim that the time-stamp on the bottom of each of those ACARS data spurts is the "acknowledge" by the airplane.
Says whom, do you have a source for this information?
It is more likely the ARINC system itself that is acknowledging the message from the airline's dispatch center.
It is more likely? Sources please? You assert your opinion as if you are some sort of authority on this topic and yet I don’t see any sources to back your claims, we are looking for proof, not just some opinions
Originally posted by JBRiddle
FFS, I've left people voicemail and text messages that some people will not get till a few hours or even in some cases days later. This is not conclusive proof. Besides its been ten years where was this information until now ? ? ?
So what happens if a plane is diverted say due to bad weather, whats the point of sending a message to a plane thats not in that area?
Originally posted by gman1972
Not to jump on anyones toes here, but I can show you if you'd like. I have half a box of telexs beside me and every one of those has the same kind of time stamp at the bottom.
gman, are you saying that the time stamp on the bottom of an ACARS message will always be the same as the date and time found at the top?
Thanks in advance for your answer.
These are the two posts to my questions that you completely ignore. You make the claim that the “source” about the time- stamp on the bottom of those ACARS data spurts are acknowledge by the airplane are bogus, then produce a credible sources to back this claim?
I scanned a few example telexes but can't seem to upload them as a picture, any ideas?
Originally posted by gman1972
No, they can be different. The one at the top says what time the message was sent, the one at the bottom shows when it was printed.
ACARS messages have two times listed: the time sent and the time received. He stated that once he sends the message it is delivered to the addressed aircraft through AIRINC immediately. He is not aware of any delay in the aircraft receiving the message after he sends it.
Originally posted by DHeffBrooklyn
Originally posted by gman1972
No, they can be different. The one at the top says what time the message was sent, the one at the bottom shows when it was printed.
So then why did Mr. Ballinger not make any reference to a "printer" in the below statement? Instead, he referenced the "aircraft", twice.
ACARS messages have two times listed: the time sent and the time received. He stated that once he sends the message it is delivered to the addressed aircraft through AIRINC immediately. He is not aware of any delay in the aircraft receiving the message after he sends it.
Is Mr Ballinger wrong?
Furthermore, since you are familiar with the ACARS Network, are you familiar with Category A and B Flight Tracking?edit on 2-12-2011 by DHeffBrooklyn because: (no reason given)