It looks like you're using an Ad Blocker.
Please white-list or disable AboveTopSecret.com in your ad-blocking tool.
Thank you.
Some features of ATS will be disabled while you continue to use an ad-blocker.
The last message (1303:17Z) referenced in the MFR is claimed to not have been received by the aircraft according to the 9/11 Commission. However, all we have is their word, which contradicts the statement made by Ballinger and the Technical Acknowledgement time stamp. The coded Rogers initiated ACARS message is included above, third from the top. Of course, the 9/11 Commission cannot admit if the last message was received by the airplane as that would immediately indicate to anyone that the airplane did not crash into the South Tower at 09:03am.
It is interesting to note that the Commission ignores the 9:03am ACARS message sent by Ed Ballinger routed through MDT (second ACARS message printed above), yet claims the 9:03am message sent by Rogers as not being received. Based on sequential numbers of the messages themselves, it is clear Ballinger's 9:03 message was sent before the Rogers message (0545 for Ballinger message, 0546 for Rogers, printed on bottom of the message), yet the Commission ignores Ballinger's message. Why would they ignore Ballinger's message, yet acknowledge Rogers? Is it because Ballinger's message was received by the airplane and they realized that an aircraft cannot receive an ACARS message at that distance and such low altitude? This message is more evidence the aircraft was in the vicinity of Harrisburg, and not NY. At least 3 ACARS messages were routed through MDT between 8:59 and 9:03am, and received by the airplane, according to the technical acknowledgement time stamps at the bottom of the messages.
The last message sent at 9:23AM, routed through Pittsburgh, has been completely ignored by the 9/11 Commission as well. Although important to know whether the messages were received, it is equally if not more important to understand how they are routed, received or not.
Originally posted by boymonkey74
Not bashing it at all , but couldnt the phones have been blown out of the plane and landed on the send button when they fell to the ground?
Lol sounds really silly but I bet this would have been the answer in the commission's report.edit on 1-12-2011 by boymonkey74 because: bloody Dyslexia grrrr
Originally posted by vipertech0596
This isn't new. It was discussed on here long ago, and shown to be just another flawed attempt by the charlatans bent on making a living off of the gullible folks that believe in their ravings.
Side note, but still related to 9/11... For a couple of days after, people were getting phone calls from their loved ones that had died in the Towers. The system was storing calls that couldn't get through that day and sending them later when the system wasn't as tied up....and each time, the family would call the authorities to say that their loved one must still be alive, just trapped.
According to the above statement made by Mr. Ballinger, all of the above messages were received by the aircraft.
Originally posted by TrueAmerican
Readers should not get confused, as there was a similar story, long ago but different:
www.abovetopsecret.com...
That had to do with radar, this has to do with text.
Originally posted by ProudBird
However, Mr. Ballinger's statements only indicate the TWO sent just seconds before impact were acknowledged by the ACARS onboard UAL 175. And NOT the one sent after it had already hit, at 1323Z.
Mr. Ballinger stated that the ACARS messages have two times listed: the time sent and the time received. He stated that once he sends the message it is delivered to the addressed aircraft through AIRINC immediately. He is not aware of any delay in the aircraft receiving the message after he sends it.
Rob Balsamo, of the so-called "pilots for truth", once again is at his most deceptive. Smoke and mirrors, that's all he's got, at this stage of the game.
Looking at the link you provided: Balsamo lists the three ACARS messages, two at 0903 EDT, and one at 0923 EDT (1303 and 1323 Zulu/UTC respectively).
BUT then, he writes:
According to the above statement made by Mr. Ballinger, all of the above messages were received by the aircraft.
Rob Balsamo is simply lying, and in a way that is seemingly intentional, by making it as complicated as possible, but dropping in innuendo along the way. It is a long-seen tactic, and his apparent "hope" is it will continue to foster confusion, and thus steer people to keep "donating" to his ridiculous website, and long-dead "cause".
His whole attempt, there....is an obvious ploy to just "Razzle Dazzle 'em!!"....
Explain the second timestamp on the ACARS message at 1323Z, if it wasn't acknowledged by the aircraft then?
ACARS Frequencies
....
131.550 MHz ACARS Primary channel for North America
130.025 MHz ACARS Secondary channel for North America
129.125 MHz ACARS Tertiary channel for North America ....
Google Video Link |