Worrying Observation about this generations children

reply to post by arollingstone


Yeah dude, keep calling me ignorant because I don't agree with you.

Why do you keep dismissing the terrorists attacks of 9-11, 2004 in Madrid and 2005 in London and all of those countless others?

Or do you also think they were staged in order for us to hate Muslims and to be fearful of them?

Just to make it clear, I do not hate Muslims and I tolerate every religion but I do have a problem with fanatics and radicals which are the ones that carry out most terrorists attacks and behead people.

And those people are the ones we are at war with, they pose a threat to everyone in the world. While I do agree with you that the region has been destabilized since we got involved there, I think something had to be done about these radicals that were running Afghanistan.

reply to post by 74Templar


Yeah I agree that it de-sensitizes me to the pictures and videos of gore etc, but without ever really seeing anything of that paramount on my own I couldn't agree that it de-sensitizes me when it's right there in-front of me. In my sub-conscious when i'm playing these games or watching these videos I think there's a certain amount of me that understand's its not reality therefore dumbing (for lack of a better word) my reaction to it. The games and movies are simply just a form of entertainment albeit questionable at times in content. I fully belief if this happened right in-front of me i'd be downright disgusted, because the very sight of a petty fight on a Friday night is enough to fill me with disappointment.

I can't agree with the whole bandwagon on video games and movies, de-sensitizing the youth. I mean many young people will end up completely numb to situations like this just because of something simple like a cherished love one dying at a young age and them having no emotional outlet at the time or even some of the severe fights they'll witness throughout their youth in and out of school.

I think the problem lies with understanding and empathy, young people seem dependent on feeling like they belong to a group thus dividing themselves which ultimately in most cases leads to some sort of violent interaction with other people due to any number of circumstances. I'd even go as far to say a-lot of our youth today have illusions of grandeur, as if there the only ones, who's opinions matter. Most will grow out of this with a few simple life lessons and maturity, but habits can be fickle things to break.

Originally posted by muse7
While I do agree that everything should tried to be resolved without war, sometimes people don't understand.

Sometimes they need a good carpet bombing to get the point across to them, if that doesn't work then we bring out the Abrams A1M1 and pay a short visit to their neighborhood.

Seriously, these people will stop at nothing to spread the word of "allah". They want to take over the world, its in their holy books, and anyone who opposes them will be beheaded.

I don't see a problem with the extermination of such pieces of scum.

edit on 11/28/2011 by muse7 because: (no reason given)

Wow sorry to say your line of thinking is pretty f'd up! I don't see the difference between Muslims spreading the word Allah, any different then Christians spreading the word of God, same thing one is just more violent than the other. Why even think war is even okay? People whether they believe in Allah, God or the spaghetti monster should not be allowed to be killed. don't care what they do in their country, that is there business, and that's the other thing, the USA has to stick it's big nose into everything!! Why not leave other countries alone? Then there would be no war, do we really need to even go to war??? I think not! Of ourse people like this dude I am replying to think we need to!! Just sad!!!

reply to post by liliththedestroyer


Yeah we should leave them alone, after all they are just a bunch of misunderstood individuals who want nothing but the best for everyone.

Why don't you tell that to the people that were in the world trade center on the morning of September 11, 2001? Oh wait you can't because they are dead as a result of these sick and twisted beings who want to force everyone to submit to their beliefs.

Originally posted by Asktheanimals
Sadly, your observation is true. If one learns enough history they will quickly see that last war's enemies have become this war's allies. A pattern repeated long enough becomes self-evident.
By all means have your children read 1984! It's your responsibility to teach them about the power of advertising and how governments are now using these same techniques to gain support for their New World Order.
Show them respect for their privacy and teach them individual responsibility. They will understand how governments abuse the rights of the individual and try to collectivize blame.
When I was raising my kids I constantly talked back at the TV especially when something was a blatant lie. Unless of course you'd rather keep it off entirely which isn't a bad idea either but IMO it gives one a chance to hear today's propaganda and find what they are really trying to say.

Best of luck with raising your kids. You sound like a responsible parent who will raise kids who are a part of the solution rather than part of the problem.

OP - I just read your signature. I couldn't agree more. Show your kids the clip of Hillary laughing about assassination then talk to them about why that is so wrong. As someone said earlier "those with no empathy" are leading our governments right now.

edit on 28-11-2011 by Asktheanimals because: added comments

I agree, 1984 chilled me to the bone, I read it last year and kept saying this is our present reality!! They also should watch the movie, "They Live", which also portrays this current reality, some of it is far fetched but the message is still the same. My husband and I were also talking about TV and how it basically controls everyone. we left TV in 2008, and have been much better off since. We have a TV for movies, but no cable, hince no TV programming. I am pregnant with my 4th and this one will not even know what a tv program is.

Because of the no programming in this house, we have realized the damage it does to adults and children, if i's not a dram tv show it's sports, if it's not sports it's the news, all of it is bad. It's all a distraction, to keep people away from truth, and what our main purpose in life is, it's to keep people from reading, and enjoying literature. It's also to keep control over their flock. I suggest you also read the fictional novel MEAT by Joseph D'lacy, same type of thing, herd mentality!

Originally posted by muse7
reply to post by liliththedestroyer

 

Yeah we should leave them alone, after all they are just a bunch of misunderstood individuals who want nothing but the best for everyone.

Why don't you tell that to the people that were in the world trade center on the morning of September 11, 2001? Oh wait you can't because they are dead as a result of these sick and twisted beings who want to force everyone to submit to their beliefs.

Oh wow you are completely brainwashed and just full of hate! Your post reeks of hate, and you honestly think it was terrorists??? Wow, yeah complete control, exactly my point! Thanks for clarifying that.

Originally posted by Starwise
OKAY I HAVE NEVER READ 1984.....But in the last 4 days, every where I read or people I speak to, the book keeps coming up! Do you think I should read it?? LOL

Yeah, it's a sign please read the book, it will creep you out!!

Kids have been joining the military for ages. My dad lied about his age to go fight in WWII. It's something kids are told they need to do, serve their country. Despite kids being portrayed as hooligans, it seems most strive for conformity. Good boy or bad boy, it seems a lot of boys have the urge for adventure and aggression. There are some of us who didn't inherit the base drive that produces these results. I get the feeling we were considered old men while we were children. It almost seems natural for corporations/religions to control governments who control generals who send children into battle while old men like Roger Waters sing about it. It seems to be the nature of of our strange species. My advise is, if you are an old man, drop out. We appreciate the music. I make it myself, but I'm preaching to the choir. Set an example. Live an alternative lifestyle. If while doing so, you change no minds, at least you have escaped.

Well, I grew up in the 80s and 90s. In the early 80s it was the remnants of the Cold War. We still had shows like G.I.JOE where the proud American soldiers fought an international terrorist organization. We still had pro wrestlers talking about being "real Americans" and waving the American flag around. Then we had the two Gulf Wars. The air strikes in the Balkans. The terrorist attacks, followed by air strike reprisals.

There really hasn't been a period that I can remember where there wasn't some sort of "enemy" being propagandized (deservedly or not) in the U.S. Even those who lived during the 50s, thought of by some as one of the longest peace time eras in American history (but even they had the Korean War and other conflicts actually,) will tell you the "Red Menace" was the propagandized enemy of their time.

What worries me far more than this is that the buffer against these things - compassion-instilling, empathy-building television shows for children like Sesame Street and others, as well as shows whole families would watch together that inspired people to dream of a world better than the grim reality we were faced with (like Star Trek for instance, which until recently, had a new iteration on the air for over 50 years) that I and my parents grew up with - have been increasingly replaced by more "modern," edgy, "cool" shows with little social and educational value by my standards.

Listen to me lol. I'm only about to turn 30 and already sound like an old codger bemoaning the newfangled shows on TV. But there really does seem to be a difference in terms of how harsh and pragmatic shows are now versus how compassionate and idealistic they seemed when I was young. People may balk and say, "But those shows weren't reflective of real life." This is true. But they were there not to teach us about reality, but to inspire us to grow up and CHANGE it.Today, that simple, powerful, transformative idea that "anything is possible" has fallen out of favor. And THAT worries/scares me more than our admittedly perpetual-seeming WOT.

Just my two cents. Peace.

No to be an @$$ but it IS just a thought. I was only 13 when 9-11 happened and I was already accustomed to the U.S. blowing the # up everywhere. Back then it was ultra nationalists.. Now its 'Terrorists'. The more things seem like they change the more they stay the same.

I have been seeing Orwell's vision of 1984 since reading the book at the age of 13, a year prior to JFK being assassinated just across the Trinity River from where we lived........ What inspired Orwell was the way people were being manipulated by constantly listening to radio programs, news programs and commercials...........Televisions were just starting to be made and there were very few networks in existence at the time he wrote the book... ....If he was able to see what direction the world was headed in from the sources of manipulations being employed at that time, imagine the book he would write if he was still around to do so today.......... In the book there was an over production of chocolate but it was announced to the public that there was a shortage... Right now there is a thread about a coffee shortage....... I wonder who really knows what is really going on. I also wonder why today's children wouldn't all grow up to be sociopaths since it is so acceptable to cheat and lie if it will accomplish what it is they want to do........

Originally posted by Hillarie
My generation lived through the cold war and diving under our desks to practise escaping the bomb. It's not that stuff that does children in. It's the shyt they get from their parents. Just make sure you're nice to them and they'll be alright.

yes i agree it is the parents pushing this agenda through, but being nice isn't always going to work. we don't talk about politics, 9/11,terrorism, or anything that could have negative affect on our children in this house. We don't recognize 9/11 anniversaries and all that BS. they unfortunately get it at school though..which has really pissed me off, I am trying to not get them into thinking about war, and being afraid, fear this and fear that, but the schools are! Why? They are Government run, and if it wasn't a pain in the ass to home school in my state, you have to get teacher certification in this state to home school, which means more money for this state, as if we don't pay enough in order to qualify, for home schooling. Plus, on top of that you get a local visit from CPS. Which I am against, because they abuse their power more than anyone, and I refuse to have Government control in my home!! Otherwise I would home school. We also got rid of all voilent games in our house, and they play games like Minecraft and Animal Crossing. That is it, Mario is also welcome in the home because he is non-violent. That is what you have to do if you want non-violent kids in your house, and kids who are scared to live!!

All I know is that if the our/next generation doesn't resolve things soon, we'll be well on the track to extinction or all-out war given the resources/population thing. We need to attempt to get truly galactic in the next 100 years or we're doomed, more or less. We can live conservatively and repeat this circular life, or we can converge from each end of the triangle to meet one goal for all. With the way things are going now, give it a few more years and we'll watch things go down the tubes. Or you know, we can get the next generation on the track of science and energy as food for thought.

War is everywhere in terms of entertainment. Many kids I know see it as some of us do, simply entertainment, while others that I know are all out racist and war-driven, and they have no idea, but they take things very seriously, almost so much so that it's scary. It's hard to say whether parents have been doing a better job or not. I feel like it's the latter, personally, given the struggle many of us go through to clear the shackles off our mind in this day and age, we have to remember that kids are nearby. It's hard to say, really. Once out of high school things hit that point of unravelling perception for most, be it through school, drug-use, etc, etc.

People gain perspective of the world on a lot of levels, but some live in such a dark and judgemental place that that's all they know. You don't know ignorance until you meet every human. It's mind-blowingly sad in some cases.

The kids will be fine. I grew up during the cold war, and the fear was we'd have a mushroom cloud appear on the horizon and the Commies would take over. In the end, there was never a mushroom cloud, and the Commies simply put a (D) at the end of their names and got voted in, without firing a shot.

In 30 years, the USA will be an Islamic nation, and your son will be just fine. Your daughter, on the other hand, will be thought of less than the family dog, but that's okay. It's about "diversity".

Originally posted by dragonridr
reply to post by Power_Semi

 

Every generation has delt with war and conflicts this is nothing new. Just look at history world war 1 and 2,Korea,Lebanon,vietnam,Cuban missile crises,Laos & Cambodia,Libya,Grenada,panama,first gulf war and all this prior to 9/11. Theres even things i forgot to mention im sure but rest assured all these prior generations managed to grow up just fine. And if you think its rough now imagine what they went through during the cuban missile crises they had kids cowering under there desk to protect them from a Nuclear missile. Still cant figure that one out just terrified alot of kids for no practical purpose. Every generation has to deal with cconflicts its the way the world works what you thought was peace was anything but. Wars carry on only the names change but bottom line is as long as there are people on this planet there will be conflicts. Hope this helps in some strange way!

Yes it's true that there's always been conflict, but they are usually interspersed with years of no conflict.

The current "war on terror" has been going for 10 years now with no sign of ending - it's incredible isn't it?

Also, this "terrorist" conflict is being presented as though it's going to break out on your own doorstep at any minute unless we go and fight on the other side of the world, which to me says it's all about instilling fear in people.

I don't want kids to get the idea that this is how it's always been, and it's normal, but for many that is exactly what they will believe.

reply to post by Power_Semi


Honestly I don't see much difference between the children of today and my own childhood (I'm 47). In many countries around the world even in my youth, to be an American was to be a target. The only real difference is that like everything else in the world today we have communication saturation.

What concerns me more is the documented lack of empathy in the youth of today as they spend less time in face to face communication. Less empathy=more war. I mean why should we care when at some point our drones (robots) will be doing all the fighting without loss of American life...

I'm 22 also, and i don't have that view of the world at all. I also have a child, and she doesn't have any of these negative views. Yes, she knows what war is, she knows it is bad, and she knows that terrorists are the people we are trying to fight against, BUT i do not teach her that terrorists are religious extremists. Terrorists can be anyone that wants to do us harm, religion is not always a factor. And not everyone over in the middle east treats women badly and not all of them are mindless killing machines! That is completely ignorant to think. I know tons of Muslims, ones from Pakistan, Iraq, Israel and other places, and they are no different than myself. Religion shouldn't be what you associate terrorists or wars with. I know people in the service that treat women as badly as you can imagine and want to joint eh service just to "kill people". There are bad people everywhere. Some "bad people" are in higher power situations than others, but regardless there will always be arguments because of greed, lust, power, and so on, but the world has ALWAYS been that way. what makes this generation different?

Yes 9/11 was bad and yes we have a different view of our vulnerabilities since, but shouldn't that make us stronger, not weaker? We have the choice as to how we let this effect us, we are in control. Being 22, most of my friends are similar in age and i see it all the time. Some people agree with what Muse stated earlier, and others are more on my side of the fence. We are becoming more and more divided and i think that is more of a concern than the "never ending war" in the middle east.

Also pre 9/11 wasn't that wonderful of a world either, actually i think we as Americans were a lot more naive and ignorant than we are now, thinking we were invincible and didnt have to worry about anything, not terrorists, war or even pollution. now people are more conscious of the world around them and their impact, some people more than others.

This has been the most depressing thread I've seen in a long time. It seems the youth of today have actually bought the load of lies surrounding 9/11. The creeps here who post daily against the 'truthers' must feel pretty good, and that's what makes me the saddest. As one of the earlier posters said, if we don't stand up against these people now, our children are doomed.

Not to kick the legs out from underneath your concern, but how is this new? Just because North America and Europe are now experiencing this kind of worry and danger at home, where other nations have been in conflict for hundreds of years, you find yourself caring? How convenient that things had to show up on your doorstep for you to notice. Maybe this is the kick in the a** people need to really appreciate the gravity of choosing a militaristic foreign policy, and maybe will lead to some real, permanent change. At least until the next generations forget what its like to war and have no drive to prevent it.

Cheers

Those religious fanatics took the lives of more than 3000 innocent people on 9-11 simply because they didn't like our way of life. They didn't like that we gave everyone an equal opportunity regardless of their gender, religion or ethnicity.

You see that's the thing right there:

"religious fanatics took the lives of more than 3000 innocent people on 9-11 simply because they didn't like our way of life"

1) Religious fanatics
2) They did it because they didn't like our way of life

Who says they're religious fanatics, and who says they did it because they didn't like your way of life.

"They hate us because we're free" said GWB - oh really?

And just to re-iterate that aren't the new towers going to be called "Freedom towers?"

If you can't see propaganda as blatant as that for what it really is then you have no hope.

They've poured out the spiel and you've subconsciously accepted it as fact without even thinking about it.

Think about why they claim they're religious fanatics, and if it really makes sense that someone would come to America (presumably once they get there they are free from whatever oppression they supposedly suffered in their own country), and blow people up for being free - presumably they prefer personally to be oppressed?

Why would someone do that?

It's more likely they did it because they feel their people are being oppressed by America & the west - it has less to do with how you live your lives, but more to do with how western polcy forces them to live theirs.