Cop Arrests Five Year Old for Acting Out in School...Zip Ties Hands and Feet. (Video)

When my daughter was in kindergarten - - - the school brought in a group of kids from another area - - in some type of government exchange program.

They were 5 year olds.

The teacher caught 2 of them in the bathroom having sex. Yes - actual sex. The boy learned it from his uncle.

I was helping on a field trip. One little very innocent looking boy said "I'm going to kick you". I said "If you kick me I'm going to kick you back". He then preceded to kick me. I kicked him back. He had the most surprised look on his face. He could not believe I actually kicked him back.

The idealistic view that all 5 year olds are precious little children - - - is unrealistic in the real world.

The big problem I see in this - - - is the follow up. If the child was being violent with possibility of harm to other children - - - which definitely does happen - - - the cop was right in physically removing him.

NOW WHAT????

reply to post by poet1b


I am Teacher and yesterday I spent the day at a Central school which means Kinder to Year 12 (in Australia).
I spent some of my day with five year olds. Some fights broke out during lunch and I managed four Children without needing to restrain one of them - on my own.

I have been a Police officer and no Child at five years old needs to be restrained. Yes I know Children as young as five can learn about sex. I hope the person who saw the five year olds having sex reported the incident for investigation - otherwise the cycle will continue. Using the example of sex is very different to the one cited in this thread.

No five year should ever be tied up by a Police officer - never - no discussion! In Australia we have the Young Offenders Act and it stipulates how any Child must be managed if they come to the attention of Police - it is designed to protect their rights and hopefully let them retain their dignity.

I see American Police abuse the citizens they are meant to protect and I learn that American citizens actually approve of their abuse and I realise that our Global society still has sooooooo much to learn.

Much Peace...to all the Children...

Originally posted by poet1b
reply to post by captaintyinknots

 

What is obvious is that you have no concerns for the truth. I watched the video, and no where does it show the actual incident in question, it gives the mother's version and the police report. Now you are just making stuff up.

The vast majority of parents out there who teach their kids that they can not use physical domination to get their way, who physically restrain their kids, and when necessary, physically punish them, is the proof that you are wrong. That the vast majority of kids who grew up this way turn out to be well developed human beings is the proof.

People like you are the problem.

Yes, people like me, that advocate not abusing children and work to reinforce positives in said children are the problem. People like you, who would beat their kid, are the solution.

I notice, by the way, that you still avoid the topic of proving your method more affective. Hmm. What a surprise. Saying "parents have always done it" proves nothing. For decades people thought lobotomy was a real method of treatment. Since it's what they always did, why did they stop?

And for the record, dont try and skew what I have said. I have said, time and time again, that there is a time and a place for physical punishment. This situation was not one of them.

Let me ask, are you comfortable with the idea of a stranger hitting or restraining your child?

Originally posted by aprilc1

Originally posted by fixer1967
ADHD---ADHD---ADHD---ADHD---ADHD---ADHD---ADHD---ADHD---ADHD---ADHD---ADHD---ADHD---!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I am sick of hearing it.They now use that as the catch all for everything. If they had there was every kid would be labeled as having ADHD the second they were born.
We are going to end up having an entire generation hooked on drugs to treat ADHD. I know that ADHD is real but not everyone has it. The war on drugs is just that. It is a drug war between the street drug dealers and the government licensed drug dealers of the big drug companies. I am starting to think it is a long term plan to get everyone on government sold drugs. It is real easy to control everyone when they are out of their minds on drugs.

I can assure you this is a very real condition and you obviously have had no experience dealing with a child who has it-I hope you never do so you dont have to experience comments like that

I know it is a real condition. I know two kids that have it and an adult that has it. The old woman that has it has have it way before thay even had a name for it. So yes I know it is real but like I said evey one does not have it. To hear some people talk you would think that 99% of the population had it and they do not. .As for the people that do not have ADHD and are put on meds for it may even end up with ADHD because of the meds.

reply to post by captaintyinknots

People like you, who would beat their kid, are the solution.

A smack on the backside isn't a beating, and neither is a little restraint. You must see it as all or nothing.

A few hundred years ago, most children lived on farms, they raised animals from the time they were born, until the time they killed those same animals, and ate them. Their lives were far more brutal than you can probably imagine, and they still grew up to be good people.

Most of currently ADD segregated children were probable great little workers and grew up to be excellent people back in those days. Today's politically correct system is far more abusive than the days of old when a kid got a smack on the bottom for misbehaving, and it was done.

In my day I was hyperactive, and the teachers didn't like it, even if I completed my lessons far ahead of the other kids. Today I would be labelled as ADD, most likely, and then abused far more than I was back in the day, when a smack on the back side now and then was all that we needed.

We need a little more reality, and less unrealistic idealism these days.

reply to post by Amanda5

I spent some of my day with five year olds. Some fights broke out during lunch and I managed four Children without needing to restrain one of them - on my own.

Wow, you are soooo amazing. Us dumb Americans could never pull off such a feat.

Why here in America, cuffing kids with zip ties is practically a morning ritual.

Originally posted by poet1b
reply to post by captaintyinknots

 

People like you, who would beat their kid, are the solution.

A smack on the backside isn't a beating, and neither is a little restraint. You must see it as all or nothing.

A few hundred years ago, most children lived on farms, they raised animals from the time they were born, until the time they killed those same animals, and ate them. Their lives were far more brutal than you can probably imagine, and they still grew up to be good people.

Most of currently ADD segregated children were probable great little workers and grew up to be excellent people back in those days. Today's politically correct system is far more abusive than the days of old when a kid got a smack on the bottom for misbehaving, and it was done.

In my day I was hyperactive, and the teachers didn't like it, even if I completed my lessons far ahead of the other kids. Today I would be labelled as ADD, most likely, and then abused far more than I was back in the day, when a smack on the back side now and then was all that we needed.

We need a little more reality, and less unrealistic idealism these days.

edit on 1-12-2011 by poet1b because: missing /

zip tying an agitated kid is more than a swat on the rear.

If we are going totalk about kids a few hundred years ago, perhaps you ought to mention that about 50 percent of kids never reached their 18th birthday back then. That most were born out of the families need to help work the farm. Sorry bud, kids from hundreds of years ago have no place in this conversation.

I still see that all you have for your arguments are "probably would have" and "probably were" arguments. I wonder, do you have a single fact to base all of your claims and accusations on?

reply to post by captaintyinknots

zip tying an agitated kid is more than a swat on the rear.

Exactly!

Imagine if you ziptied your kids at home, and then a child welfare person happened by? I'm pretty sure it would be considered abuse, and you'd go to jail!

Plus, I know that when my youngest is upset, the worst possible thing to do is restrain him, or even try to talk to him. I just tell him to stay on a couch, or in a corner, or in his room, and come see me when he is ready to talk right. Anything more just escalates it and gets him angrier and angrier, and it would do the same to me, so I understand.

As I said way, way back in the thread. If anyone ever ziptied my 4 or 5 year old. There would be hell to pay. I don't care if was a cop, grandparent, teacher, or ornery friend. Nobody had better use that type of restraint on one of my kids that young.

reply to post by captaintyinknots


You just go round and round in circles, pretending you didn't say one thing, and then trying to twist the debate into something it is not.

Cops zip tying kids is a result of the policies people like you put into place that prevent a teacher from giving a swat on the rear.

It is the non-confrontational policies that you advocate that lead to the cop using restraints, and that is what I have pointed out from the beginning.

At least I am not like you, making up things and then call them facts. You have yet to provide any facts or any evidence.

reply to post by getreadyalready


In this situation, sounds like the kid doesn't go sit in the corner, or do what the teacher says to do.

This is why they went to such an extreme manner.

Originally posted by poet1b
reply to post by getreadyalready

 

In this situation, sounds like the kid doesn't go sit in the corner, or do what the teacher says to do.

This is why they went to such an extreme manner.

I realize the cop and teacher were in a tough spot. It's hard to beat someone else's kid. I still do not agree with the zip ties in any instance. I don't even like them for adults.

They should have all the training in the world to handle this kid in some other manner, and if not, then they should call the mother. If the mother can't get him under control, then he gets kicked out of school.

Zip ties and criminal charges are just way too far beyond belief for me.

reply to post by getreadyalready


It sounds like in this instance, decisions were made by higher ups. It is obvious they had been trying many things, and consulting school officials. This wasn't done on a whim.

Originally posted by poet1b
reply to post by captaintyinknots

 

You just go round and round in circles, pretending you didn't say one thing, and then trying to twist the debate into something it is not.

Cops zip tying kids is a result of the policies people like you put into place that prevent a teacher from giving a swat on the rear.

It is the non-confrontational policies that you advocate that lead to the cop using restraints, and that is what I have pointed out from the beginning.

At least I am not like you, making up things and then call them facts. You have yet to provide any facts or any evidence.

Tell me, what have I pretended that I did not say?

More deflections, and more ignoring of the questions you have been asked. Ill ask again:

Are you comfortable with a strangler hitting, zip tying, grabbing, or getting physical with your kids? And what is your proof that getting physical with children is effective?

Cop zip tying kids has nothing to do with policies geared toward de-escalating situations. To say so is absolutely asinine. Teachers are very much allowed to restrain a kid, withing reason. You'd rather scream "liberals are ruining the world" than deal with facts. And thats fine, its pretty much the blueprint when someone doesnt have any information with which to back up their argument.

Still waiting for you to say anything other than "you are wrong cuz I say so".

reply to post by captaintyinknots


This is just more sensationalism on your part.

Are you comfortable with a strangler hitting, zip tying, grabbing, or getting physical with your kids?

Why do you ask this?

Your child's teacher is not a stranger, or shouldn't be.

This wasn't some random willy nilly situation, bringing the cop in was a planned event. These are facts presented by the link from the beginning. You want to pretend differently.

reply to post by poet1b


I am not insinuating anyone is dumb.
It is possible to manage Children - without resorting to tying them up.

Much Peace...

Originally posted by poet1b
reply to post by captaintyinknots

 

This is just more sensationalism on your part.

Are you comfortable with a strangler hitting, zip tying, grabbing, or getting physical with your kids?

Why do you ask this?

Your child's teacher is not a stranger, or shouldn't be.

This wasn't some random willy nilly situation, bringing the cop in was a planned event. These are facts presented by the link from the beginning. You want to pretend differently.

So, still deflecting I see. How is this sensationalism?

The childs teacher isnt the one who zip-tied the kid, the cop did. And yes, the cop was a stranger.

So, please, quit avoiding them and answer my questions:
Are you comfortable with a stranger hitting, zip tying, grabbing, or getting physical with your kids?

And where is your proof that physical aggression works on kids?

reply to post by captaintyinknots


And the Teacher should be the one dealing with bad behavior, not the Cop, but because the school and the teacher were so limited in what they could do with the child, thanks to people who think like you, the cop was brought in.

You can try dancing around this point all you want, but it still proves you wrong.

The vast numbers of kids who got their butts spanked in school who turned out normal is my proof that it works. This has already been pointed out, just another fact on your list of denial.

Originally posted by poet1b
reply to post by captaintyinknots

 

And the Teacher should be the one dealing with bad behavior, not the Cop, but because the school and the teacher were so limited in what they could do with the child, thanks to people who think like you, the cop was brought in.

You can try dancing around this point all you want, but it still proves you wrong.

Because of people like me the cop was brought in> So people like me, WHO WORK WITH CHILDREN WITH EMOTIONAL PROBLEMS EVERY DAY, and have had to restrain more than one child myself, are the ones making it so teachers cant restrain kids?

Wow. Just wow. That is an amazing leap you just took there. I could tell you a dozen stories of having to restrain a child, and not one involves the cops, zip-ties, or my getting in trouble. So, sorry, kiddo, but you are flat out wrong there.

Ill ask again (and will continue to ask, as long as you keep deflecting and ignoring the questions):
1)Are you comfortable with a stranger hitting, zip-tying, or in any way being physically aggressive to your child?
2)What is your proof that physical aggression is an effective means of dealing with children?


I'm guessing that the fact that you refuse to answer either one means you dont have an answer that supports your argument...

I see you edited to sort of answer one of my questions...however, "vast numbers of kids getting their butts whooped" is not evidence. Those kids may have seemingly turned out "normal", but the emotional damage done is immeasurable, and frankly, our society has been on the decline for around 50 years, which would suggest that past methods are not making for a better society.

So please, try again, only try and come with something that is actually quantifiable, and not hearsay and conjecture.

reply to post by Amanda5


Should be, but in today's politically correct world, it seems they have to bring in a cop to deal with a problem child.

Personally, I think it is totally whacked.

Teachers should have the ability to give a kid a few whacks on the butt when they refuse to behave, as some times is the case.

I think a better approach would be to give kids restless something physical to do, to relieve their frustrations. Give them a job, kids love that sort of thing.

Originally posted by poet1b
reply to post by Amanda5

 

Should be, but in today's politically correct world, it seems they have to bring in a cop to deal with a problem child.

Personally, I think it is totally whacked.

Teachers should have the ability to give a kid a few whacks on the butt when they refuse to behave, as some times is the case.

I think a better approach would be to give kids restless something physical to do, to relieve their frustrations. Give them a job, kids love that sort of thing.

I love the blanket statements. "give them something to do, kids love that".

You do realize that this kid was in a reeducation school, and that the only way he ends up in that school, is if he has a psychological diagnosis, right?

Emotional disturbed kids, kids with rage problems and the such, are not the same as your average kid.