Was The Titanic Destroyed By A German Submarine?

reply to post by blocula


I have been glancing through this thread and there is one thing that I note.
People who provide evidence of places and dates - I am okay with that.
People who will find evidence with a specific date and they believe that is it - locked in - evidence concrete.

Just because a piece of technology is released on a specific date does not mean that represents the truth.
Torpedoes may have been designed, produced and tested years before any 'public' evidence is made available.

So I find it amazing that people still don't realise how controlled all information is - anything historical to do with technology will always have a date further back than what is publicly released. Documents that are 'released' to the public seldom raise any interest for me anymore. I know that a public relations exercise has carefully planed how to allay public interest and keep the public from prying where they are not meant to be looking.

Did an iceberg sink the Titanic or a piece of military technology being developed during that period of time?
Don't know but someone does and I can bet it is a person involved with the cabal/illuminati/whatever.
The Jesuits were instrumental in the sinking - of that I am sure.

Great work with this thread and your ability to detract those that seek to undermine your research is - elegant and respectful. You are fabulous to watch as you work your intellect on this subject. Good for you.

Much Peace...

Stumason - the geopolitical situation - The problem is - There is no 'British position' ' German Position' 'Russian Position'.
Part of the British government was planning for war with the Germans. Part of the British government wanted to avoid war at all cost. Part of the German government wanted to expand eastward. Part of the German government (including the Kaiser) wanted to avoid war.
Part of the Russian Empire wanted to expand westward. Part of the Russian empire (including the Tzar) wanted peace.
Part of the French government wanted war of revenge with the Germans. Most French thought their differences with the Germans were negotiable.
God, what a mess.
The Germans had the capability of sinking the Titanic. The question is, is there any supporting evidence? I am skeptical, but would like to hear more about the "hole' that was found.

reply to post by Matt1951


It was more than a hole, it was a scrape impact that extended almost 300 feet along the Titanic's hull rupturing 6 of her compartments.

reply to post by Amanda5

Great work with this thread and your ability to detract those that seek to undermine your research is - elegant and respectful. You are fabulous to watch as you work your intellect on this subject. Good for you.

I totally agree with you. Yesterday I was rereading parts of this thread and thought "damn...insults are like water on duck feathers to him..."

And it is worth mentioning !!



I don't agree with some of his other threads but he is seriously involved in his quest for answers. Elegant and respectful do indeed come to mind !!

And there is more than just a tragic accident when the Titanic is concerned.

I don't mind a conspiracy theory as long as it sounds plausable. blocula keeps comming out with trash. U-17 was launched on 16 April 1912 (2 days after Titanic had sunk), and it wasn't commissioned until 3 Nov 1912. It was a coastal boat with a surface displacement of 505 tons, a range of 1900 nautical miles, a standing crew of 29, a surface speed of 13 knots and a submerged speed of 5 knots. It had 2x bow tubes and 2x stern tubes 6 torpedo's in total (about the only thing he got right).

The first sea going U boat that had a better engine and greater fuel capacity was the U-27 launched in 1936.

The only time that a realistic chance presented itself to Germany to sink the Titanic with the passengers that blocula has stated wanted to be killed by Germany were on two occasions. One when the ship stopped to pick up more steerage passengers at Cherbourg and then when she made her final stop at Cobh, County Cork also to pick up more steerage passengers, before she departed out into the Atlantic, by which time there is no longer an oppertunity because Germany had not got the technology to either chase her or even get out to the remote distance of her voyage where she sank.

If Germany had the so called technology to do this, then after the deed had been done, this technology would have been carried on in the construction of further U-boats which we do not see. The only half decent ocean going U boat that had the range the fuel and provisions for extended warfare out in the Atlantic was the type VIIC
which became Germany's standard design and most prolific in the second world war around 35 years later!

reply to post by FLaKK


According to the earlier posts here, there was a relatively small diameter puncture hole found in the Titanic, in addition to the large separation of the hull. There also is someone who said the rivets popped. The rivets don't concern me, but if there is a hole that would not be caused by the iceberg, then I would be interested in a torpedo or bomb (mine or depth charge) theory.

According to Wikipedia, Germany had 29 u-boats at the start of WWI. Germany had 48 submarines in service or construction. The first German submarine type U1 with a single torpedo tube was commissioned in 1906.
en.wikipedia.org... The first official use of a self propelled torpedo to sink a ship, the Germans sank HMS Pathfinder on September 5, 1914.
Diesel engines were installed in German submarines U19 class in 1912-1913.
It looks like Germany had the technology in hand to accomplish sinking the Titanic, if they chose to do so.

The original hole was 12ft square...about 3ft wide x 4ft tall...and thats where and when the water started pouring into the titanic...

ocean.nationalgeographic.com...#/titanic-hole-kristof_18403_600x450.jpg

Okay is this the hole? I don't see how this could be caused by an iceberg.

The Rough Guide To Conspiracy Theories By James McConnachie, Robin Tudge
- pages 299-301. The authors cover this Titanic conspiracy theory and several others.

The insurance scam theory appears to be equally plausible.

I would vote for insurance scam (bomb) or German torpedo as more likely than just the iceberg, if I am looking at the picture of the hole correctly.

"Though the damage in the hull was 220 to 245 feet long, the most recent evidence shows that there was only a 12 square foot opening,the size of a refrigerator,in the hull allowing water inside the ship"...

thats what caused it to start sinking...^^^

Hmmmmm...I knew it! www.eszlinger.com... < look under collision/damage...



The long gash was mostly above the water line and the 12ft square hole was mostly below it...

Maybe...The Titanic was struck by a torpedo first "the explosions heard" then lost steering and started taking on water,both in rapid succession caused the ship to then veer off against an iceberg creating "the groaning sounds" which sealed the ships fate?...just a thought,anythings possible...

The water started flowing in through a 12ft square hole,thats a 3ftx4ft opening,a gigantic iceberg cannot make a hole that size.the Titanic was'nt sailing sideways into the ice and the ice didnt punch inwards and then suddenly pull itself out,which is what it would have had to do in order to have made that size of a hole into the "moving" titanic and the ice could not have went through steel anyways.Steel vs Ice...Steel Wins..."Everytime".

But something shot at the hull would do it and they could have very easily altered the explosive effect and power of a torpedo if they chose to do so...

If a torpedo hit the Titanic,it would have taken about 1/5th of a second for it to explode...I dont think anyones first comment or thought would have been."Listen to that sound,a torpedo just hit us" Even if it was a torpedo...

They still would have thought it was something else.Most people on the ship would not have even known in 1912 what a torpedo was,never mind know what one sounded like exploding against steel underwater.They heard what torpedos sound like exploding against steel before?...I doubt it...

Ever think of that?

And this happened around midnight in the dark and it was cold outside and i dont think many people were standing around on the outside decks then and those that may have been,could have been 200 or 300 feet away from the point of impact,or even further...

Just like the people who did not see anything but only "heard" sounds and later said..."It sounded like the ship hitting ice"...How would they know what massive sheets of moving steel scraping against gigantic chunks of floating ice sounds like?...They heard massive sheets of moving steel scraping against gigantic chunks of ice before?...I doubt it...

Ever think of that?

reply to post by blocula


Torpedo, mine or bomb. I don't see what else it could be. One loose stray mine? highly unlikely. Bomb? Would require someone to commit suicide. Torpedo seems the best bet.

Originally posted by Matt1951
reply to post by blocula

 

Torpedo, mine or bomb. I don't see what else it could be.

Hmm, I wonder...maybe the massive Ice Berg every survivor saw and heard hit the ship maybe?
Both you blocula are shoehorning information to fit the situation and even then, that requires you to ignore the mountains of evidence to the contrary...

If Germany had the tech, name and shame the boat. If you can't do that, then you're talking out of your arse, sorry.

reply to post by Matt1951


iceberg ?

Originally posted by blocula
.Steel vs Ice...Steel Wins..."Everytime".


Ever think of that?

sorry but no it doesn't , maybe go ask some one who knows about such things , go speak to any capt of an ice breaker or any other capt in the ice prone areas of the seas .... ever think of that ?

You have been told repeatedly of the wrong dates you have, yet you continue with your story...... try educating your self by speaking with people who know about this subject. ever think of that?

There is nothing wrong with coming up with new theories , but they must fit in many ways other than just in your own head.

Originally posted by blocula
.Steel vs Ice...Steel Wins..."Everytime".


Ever think of that?

utter twaddle , please research the MS explorer steel fails

so the german u boat fire how many torpedoes?? just the one? how many holes in the hull were there?

i believe the forward 6 compartments flooded causing the ship to sink lopsided, the titanic was designed to stay afloat with a few compartments flooded although i cant remember what the number is. so if it really was one torpedo that must have been one hell of a high tech torpedo that we have not seen the likes of since, since it manages to punch a hole in one compartment, and slice the hull of a further 5 after the explosion. amazing technology those germans had.

This torpedo theory has already been debunked. Early German u boat technology was still in it's infancy, I've said if Germany wanted to sink the Titanic then they missed their oppertunity as soon as she headed out into the open Atlantic. Sea and Ocean going U-boats were of the order 700 - 1000 tons surface displacement, the first to appear was U-27 in 1936.

If and i say again, Germany had a successful technologically advanced ocean going U-boat in 1912, the design would have no longer needed to be kept a secret after the Titanic was sunk, and we would have seen such designs and technologies carried on in further U-boat construction in the build up to war. I don't nor does anyonelse see any.

reply to post by ignorant_ape


I think that is correct American English spelling?

reply to post by Matt1951


That is the correct spelling, In English full stop..

That said, I doubt he was questioning your spelling, but rather answering your nonsensical question

"What else could it be other than a mine/torpedo"

Iceberg - The one the bumped into, left ice on the deck and over 1,000 people (the surviviors and the crew of other ships nearby that is) all saw.