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The water started flowing in through a 12ft square hole,thats a 3ftx4ft opening,a gigantic iceberg cannot make a hole that size.the Titanic was'nt sailing sideways into the ice and the ice didnt punch inwards and then suddenly pull itself out,which is what it would have had to do in order to have made that size of a hole into the "moving" titanic and the ice could not have went through steel anyways.Steel vs Ice...Steel Wins..."Everytime".
Originally posted by Montana
reply to post by blocula
I can't believe you are still attempting to defend this theory. A torpedo explosion is a huge violent cataclysmic event. There is a HUGE shudder throughout the entire ship- even in vast battleships! Everything and everyone is thrown to the deck, quite frequently causing broken bones and deaths from the sheer ferocity of the explosion. The explosion almost always causes large fires that are nearly impossible to extinguish by a civilian crew.
NONE of these events have ever been reported by the survivors. There could be no mistake about this.
Ice can penetrate steel?...how?...i doubt it..."maybe" if the ice was shot out of a cannon...
Originally posted by stumason
reply to post by blocula
A logical fallacy. A sledgehammer (a solid lump of iron) is entirely different to a sheet of steel less than 2 inches thick (especially one that is exposed to extreme cold and saline water when it is already weakened by a high sulphur concentration). Also, a block of ice out of the freezer is different to a block of ice you'll find in an Iceberg, which has formed over years of ice compacting in layers.
Ice can and does penetrate steel hulls. You can find plenty of examples of this throughout history.
Whatever the true extent of any modern countries military technology may be,it would stay a secret at the time.Like whatever germany may have had kept secret in 1912.But some things would be forgotten and altered after the hell of 25 million dead in WW-1 and the 50 million dead in WW-2 were endured
Originally posted by DrunkenDonuts
Originally posted by blocula
Another thing,every countries "true level" of its technology is always kept secret and is not made common knowledge,just like the USA right now,we do not know the true extent of the USA's present military technology and so in 1912,Germanys actual level and extent of submarine knowledge would have remained secret...
So Germany has been keeping the capabilities of their subs of 1912 classified for 100 years?
During the Russo-Japanese war, Japan also made frantic efforts to develop and construct a fleet of submarines. Submarines had only recently become operational military engines, and were considered to be special weapons of considerable potential. The Imperial Japanese Navy acquired its first submarines in 1905 from Electric Boat Company, barely four years after the U.S. Navy had commissioned its own first submarine, USS Holland. The ships were Holland designs and were developed under the supervision of Electric Boat's representative, Arthur L. Busch. These five submarines (known as Holland Type VII's) were shipped in kit form to Japan (October 1904) and then assembled at the Yokosuka, Kanagawa Yokosuka Naval Arsenal, to become hulls No1 through 5, and became operational at the end of 1905.[60]
Originally posted by blocula
Why would'nt they have wanted to sink the Titanic in 1912 and provoke desired political reactions and war?...Germany provoked a lot things that resulted in misery and death throughout their history,like WW-2 in Europe for example...edit on 24-11-2011 by blocula because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by blocula
"Though the damage in the hull was 220 to 245 feet long, the most recent evidence shows that there was only a 12 square foot opening,the size of a refrigerator,in the hull allowing water inside the ship"...
Thats what caused it to start sinking...^^^
Hmmmmm...www.eszlinger.com... < look under collision/damage...
Why would they try it? To sink the Titanic in 1912? The same reason they sank the 787 foot Lusitania in 1915 with "one" torpedo and killed 1,198 people...They felt like it...edit on 26-11-2011 by blocula because: (no reason given)
"Suddenly a queer quivering ran under me, apparently the whole length of the ship. Startled by the very strangeness of the shivering motion, I sprang to the floor. With too perfect a trust in that mighty vessel I again lay down. Some one knocked at my door, and the voice of a friend said: 'Come quickly to my cabin; an iceberg has just passed our window; I know we have just struck one."
“The starboard side of the Titanic struck the big berg and the ice was piled up on the deck. None of us had the slightest realization that the ship had received its death wound. "
Originally posted by blocula
Why would they try it? To sink the Titanic in 1912? The same reason they sank the 787 foot Lusitania in 1915 with "one" torpedo and killed 1,198 people...They felt like it...edit on 26-11-2011 by blocula because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by woogleuk
reply to post by DrunkenDonuts
To add to that, didn't the Lusitania suffer so much damage because it was carrying explosive war material which ignited with the torpedo hit?