Chemtrails Perfectly Revisited

reply to post by ZIPMATT


Where is the proof? You are obviously very adept at manipulating images...quite a bit of it occurring in your video...Why would you not take this "chemtrail proof," video to an attorney and seek damages?

Perhaps I can offer information regarding the OP. This may help in clearing up his insistence on this forum.

Hypothetical Situationist is a Project Camelot outreach sent and inspired by Kerry Cassidy (see his signature and personal information) to draw attention to a near-dead forum. For this effort he is allowed to say whatever he wants, do whatever he pleases and act out in whatever manner he desires of the Project Camelot forum. When I decided to take issue with his blatant reporting of his opinion as fact, I found myself quickly shown the door.

This is the secondary problem with Hypothetical Situationist. He refuses to separate myth from reality, fact from opinion and research from data collection which supports his particular views. Or are slanted to do so, the latter being what I consistently observed.

My advice is to pay him no nevermind, he's a kid attempting to wear adult shoes clicking his heels together in hopes that fantasy will become your reality.

ITMT, be aware and awake that his ultimately goal is to subvert this forum and direct you to the one where he rules the world- Project Camelot.

I have long since discarded the idea of anything sinister in the contrails/chemtrails phenomenon because it simply does not stand up to scrutiny and goes against the grain of logical thinking.

Much of what has been posted in this thread - that is being observed, i.e. lingering cloud-like formations in the sky - can be explained by established science and the keyword is “sublimation”.

Second, if an organization is doing this for some harmful purpose, there is no doubt they and their families would also suffer the consequences (unless they’re all breathing some other atmosphere) and so it isn’t really a very palatable idea.

Third, it would be ultimately inane to make it visible to everyone if you were doing this on purpose. Even if the reason (as I’ve sometimes heard it said) is to assist global warming, there really isn’t sufficient material and it doesn’t last long enough to make any difference. If the end game is to either kill a lot of people or harm the earth, there are a plethora of technologies at their disposal for doing it instantly. There is absolutely no need to go through years and years of “spraying” to achieve it.

The final point is that in all of the years we have witnessed these things coming out of aircraft, I haven’t seen any evidence to suggest direct harm to health or anything else that can be attributed to the formations.

If you join the above points together, what you are left with is nothing more than “suspicion” and part of the reason for that is that we know there is other sinister stuff going on (for which there is plenty of evidence of direct harm and injustice); so anything we see that looks like it is occurring globally and right above our heads is a prime candidate for concern.

Fortunately, “suspicion” alone does not a truth make nor a troll anything less than a troll.

reply to post by Chadwickus


Funny stuff Chad ...literally all of your posts are indirectly rude and it is easy to see you would note ever report someone who agrees with you. Mod has been alerted to your hypocritical post.

Contrails sure get alot of your hackles up do they not ? Since chemtrails do not exist why spend countless hours here telling us fools they do not exist ? Deny ignorance indeed. -

reply to post by SurrealisticPillow

In my opinion, ATS should acknowledge that chemtrail threads are quickly attacked by the same posters, and DO something about it. It is not conspiracy theory that discussion boards are infiltrated, it is FACT

What exactly do you propose that ATS do?.......ban people that have opposing views?

The only people doing the attacking in this thread are the chemtrail believers, who, when confronted with scientific facts, or asked to provide evidence, go on the offensive.......FACT.

Originally posted by HypotheticalSituationist
I've just completed an informal 'mini-documentary' on Chemtrails, which people can see.

My aim with the video was to pack as much crucial information into 15 minutes as humanly possible along with the consequences and the theories as to why I am undoubtedly correct.

I want the common man to be able to watch this video, and come away with the knowledge that this is real and serious. The real reasons behind the spraying are almost secondary compared to the importance of getting people to acknowledge it and start asking questions addressed to me about it.

Adam, so good to see you again.

We have had this discussion in the recent past and I see that you have essentially recounted that discussion again here. Your version less several worthy inclusions from others in raw dispute of your opinion-fact mentality.

Hey, maybe you are right about your pet project chemtrails but until you admit that you are offering opinion AS fact, your credibility is stale well water.

Why not have started this thread with what drove you here, this Project Camelot blog post on chemtrails - now seriously debunked - which you have been rolling out for half a decade or more, a Kerry Cassidy opinion=fact mythology. An anonymous airplane mechanic who performed a drive by trolling and never heard from again. You have learned from one of the best, Adam.

projectcamelotproductions.com...

Carry on.

reply to post by LiveToSpendIt

Suspicion, for me, is based upon the incredibly evil history of the architects, the powers in charge with unlimited funds. There are numerous internal documents of their plans to control the peoples of the world in a myriad of ways, including population reduction. They are funded by their commercial control of our resources, and the fact that they control the monetary system. They have made inroads into what was once legitimate scientific institutions, to intimidate and/or purchase the organization to further their bogus science for their own financial ends.

Presently, weather warfare IS being practiced around the globe. In the states for example, west of the rockies cloud seeding is rampant, and results in less rain east of the rockies. I mention this only because most people are unaware. But, on a larger and wider scale, we have the chemtrail phenomenon. Some of us are exploring this, and frankly, we don't have time to engage the real trolls that only serve to roadblock productive discussion.

Over the years, on ATS alone, numerous links have been posted to research into chemtrails, and the bigger picture as it relates to the above. Before you attempt to come off as an authority on the subject, perhaps you should bring some of this material (through the search function) back to our attention so you can discredit it. Or, you can join some of the perpetual attendees to mock the links with nothing more than ridicule.

Either way, we ALL have our opinions. Your opinion has been noted.

You know, it's pretty hard to side with the debunkers when they try so hard to sway opinion on the matter. This is a conspiracy website and jeichlberg, phage, unicus, chadwickus, proudbird and others seem to fan the flames of the concerned masses. I don't believe any of you are a person, for one, I believe you are an entity comprised of collaborators paid to discourage thought and observation. These "all knowing" figures have all the data, stats, archives, websites, knowledge, intel, military background, aviation background all rolled into one. This is extremely suspicious and raises an enormous red flag. The other fact that concerns me is the information they back their claims with are produced only by the government. They also attempt to integrate free and open software tools like FLIGHTAWARE and try to have the masses believe that EVERYTHING will be tracked there and everything is ok. The government is highly exclusive in matters ranging from politics to war, to documents and everything in between.

I'm still leaning toward the chemtrail conspiracy. I mean seriously, if it wasn't for the outright arrogance, condescension, word manipulation, demand for proof (they know we don't have hard evidence and the means to achieve it), the starring of their self congratulatory (debunkers) posts, the instant data mining and meticulous embedding of said stats, figures etc. produced only by the govt., I'd probably side with them. There is 1 thing I know for sure... and that is I know nothing. I can only parallel my concern and observation with the rest of the "chemtrailers". What brings us together is the memories of days not so long ago where blue skies were not contaminated with these "persistent contrails". If you guys would quit trying so hard and perhaps introduce an objective outside private company's studies, I'm sure you would be more successful at your attempt to "educate" us. Until I see a name badge and some degrees in aeronautics and aviation engineering, I will dismiss you to the rubbish pile of paid disinfo debunkers.

Originally posted by SurrealisticPillowSuspicion, for me, is based upon the incredibly evil history of the architects, the powers in charge with unlimited funds. There are numerous internal documents of their plans to control the peoples of the world in a myriad of ways, including population reduction. They are funded by their commercial control of our resources, and the fact that they control the monetary system. They have made inroads into what was once legitimate scientific institutions, to intimidate and/or purchase the organization to further their bogus science for their own financial ends.

No disagreement.

Originally posted by SurrealisticPillowPresently, weather warfare IS being practiced around the globe. In the states for example, west of the rockies cloud seeding is rampant, and results in less rain east of the rockies. I mention this only because most people are unaware.

Here is an example of suspicion tuned to opinion elongated into fact.

Originally posted by SurrealisticPillowBut, on a larger and wider scale, we have the chemtrail phenomenon. Some of us are exploring this, and frankly, we don't have time to engage the real trolls that only serve to roadblock productive discussion.

Over the years, on ATS alone, numerous links have been posted to research into chemtrails,

Which I have read many, many and many, many more off ATS...

Originally posted by SurrealisticPillowand the bigger picture as it relates to the above. Before you attempt to come off as an authority on the subject, perhaps you should bring some of this material (through the search function) back to our attention so you can discredit it. Or, you can join some of the perpetual attendees to mock the links with nothing more than ridicule.

Either way, we ALL have our opinions. Your opinion has been noted.

I don't understand the personal tone of your attack, there is nothing personal going on here, certainly not on my part.

It is nothing less than being completely irresponsible, regardless, to claim opinion as fact. I have yet to see any factual data that directly and scientifically (control studied, peer-reviewed, abstract and citation presented, professional journaled and publicly available) offers opinions these so-called harmful, purposefully chemtrailed aerosolations exist and/or are harmful.

I am always happy to chat about chemtrails in a mutually logical way but I take issue with irresponsibility to any subject, this one regarding chemtrails, inclusive.

Originally posted by SurrealisticPillow
reply to post by LiveToSpendIt

 

Presently, weather warfare IS being practiced around the globe. In the states for example, west of the rockies cloud seeding is rampant, and results in less rain east of the rockies. I mention this only because most people are unaware....
Either way, we ALL have our opinions. Your opinion has been noted.

Yes, we do have OUR OPINIONS...but then we also have OUR FACTS!!!

11 years above average precipitation since 1990 vs 10 years below average precipitation

Chicago, IL

www.climatestations.com...

14 years above average precipitation since 1990 vs 7 years below average precipitation

Minneapolis/St. Paul, MN

www.climatestations.com...

13 years above average precipitation since 1990 vs 8 years below average precipitation

New York, NY

www.climatestations.com...

If you see it in the news it has already been done [Geo-Enginnering/Chemtrails]. Aviation pilots who post here are NO Geo-Engineering experts or scientists. Chemtrails are real and are happening now.


Modification of cirrus clouds to reduce global warming
FOCUS ON CLIMATE ENGINEERING: INTENTIONAL INTERVENTION IN THE CLIMATE SYSTEM David L Mitchell and William Finnegan

iopscience.iop.org

Seeding such cirrus with very efficient heterogeneous ice nuclei should produce larger ice crystals due to vapor competition effects, thus increasing OLR and surface cooling.

A potential delivery mechanism for the seeding material is already in place: the airline industry.

2.2.
Delivery mechanism Since commercial airliners routinely fly in the region where cold cirrus clouds exist, it is hoped that the seeding material could either be (1) dissolved or suspended in their jet fuel and later burned with the fuel to create seeding aerosol, or (2) injected into the hot engine exhaust, which should vaporize the seeding material, allowing it to condense as aerosol in the jet contrail

reply to post by MaxJohnson


I, for one, am a totally independent person...enter my name into Google...see what you come up with...I wish I was being paid...currently unemployed, studying for my insurance license, and looking for a job...If you are aware of anybody who actually pays people to come onto sites like these and post factual data, then by all means, direct me to them...Do they pay by the word? I can type relatively fast and am a pretty skilled researcher...I can really use the money...I do not want to lose my home, but sadly, it is looking like that will happen...

Originally posted by jeichelberg
reply to post by MaxJohnson

 

I, for one, am a totally independent person...enter my name into Google...see what you come up with...I wish I was being paid...currently unemployed, studying for my insurance license, and looking for a job...If you are aware of anybody who actually pays people to come onto sites like these and post factual data, then by all means, direct me to them...

I did.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

OK, ok, Hypothetical Situationist is faaaaar from factual...

reply to post by dw31243

But it's not about making more clouds, it's about getting rid of clouds. I thought you didn't like clouds.

The idea proposed is to cool surface temperatures by reducing the coverage of high cirrus clouds to increase OLR.

iopscience.iop.org...


The article, like all geoengineering proposals, admits that not enough is known about the effects of such measures. It calls for computer modeling and laboratory work to study the effects.

More detailed modeling studies of cirrus microphysics, testing some of the physical principles and assumptions used here, as well as related laboratory studies, should be carried out. For example, in cirrus generated from mesoscale motions, their microphysical properties appear to be governed by the dynamics (Kärcher and Ström 2003).

Drawing from these process-oriented studies, GCM experiments could be designed to test this hypothesis. Since the parameterized physics differs considerably between GCMs, climate predictions differ as well, making it important to test this hypothesis in more than one GCM.

Originally posted by dw31243
If you see it in the news it has already been done [Geo-Enginnering/Chemtrails]. Aviation pilots who post here are NO Geo-Engineering experts or scientists.

I am both an aviator and a pilot (PPL-USA) am it is worth stating that when you fly for over 40 years and have many, many friends in aviation (military, civil, commercial), many of those who meet the professional credentials as scientists as you have described, none, not a one, has ever offered scientifically valid studies that chemtrails exist as harmful, purposeful aerosols.

I would suggest that you research the archives in rec.aviation* newsgroups and Pilots Of America forum if you would care for ultimate examination.

Originally posted by MaxJohnson
You know, it's pretty hard to side with the debunkers when they try so hard to sway opinion on the matter. This is a conspiracy website and jeichlberg, phage, unicus, chadwickus, proudbird and others seem to fan the flames of the concerned masses.

I am not here to fan flames...and regardless of your attempt to characterize me as unconcerned, I am very concerned...so count me in as one of the, "concerned masses."

I don't believe any of you are a person, for one, I believe you are an entity comprised of collaborators paid to discourage thought and observation. These "all knowing" figures have all the data, stats, archives, websites, knowledge, intel, military background, aviation background all rolled into one. This is extremely suspicious and raises an enormous red flag. The other fact that concerns me is the information they back their claims with are produced only by the government. They also attempt to integrate free and open software tools like FLIGHTAWARE and try to have the masses believe that EVERYTHING will be tracked there and everything is ok. The government is highly exclusive in matters ranging from politics to war, to documents and everything in between.

First, I have given some of my background...I am not a pilot...I have only been on ten flights in my entire life, the last one being on a DC-10 out of Detroit, MI, to Chicago, IL, in 1980...Never set foot on a plane again and do not intend to do so ever again...I am confused as to how we only back our claims with government information on the one hand and then provide other free and open software tools NOT produced by a government entity and NEITHER are acceptable!?!?!? This indicates nothing is acceptable except a limited scope opinion...

I'm still leaning toward the chemtrail conspiracy. I mean seriously, if it wasn't for the outright arrogance, condescension, word manipulation, demand for proof (they know we don't have hard evidence and the means to achieve it), the starring of their self congratulatory (debunkers) posts, the instant data mining and meticulous embedding of said stats, figures etc. produced only by the govt., I'd probably side with them. There is 1 thing I know for sure... and that is I know nothing. I can only parallel my concern and observation with the rest of the "chemtrailers". What brings us together is the memories of days not so long ago where blue skies were not contaminated with these "persistent contrails". If you guys would quit trying so hard and perhaps introduce an objective outside private company's studies, I'm sure you would be more successful at your attempt to "educate" us. Until I see a name badge and some degrees in aeronautics and aviation engineering, I will dismiss you to the rubbish pile of paid disinfo debunkers.

I am not a paid educator...My demand for proof would be the same regardless of topic...If there is a conspiracy to hide the facts of the matter, it (OBJECTIVE EVIDENCE) would be the ONLY WAY to stop the evil...You do understand this, right? What data do you believe Erin Brockovich relied upon to bring PG&E to their knees? I submit it was GOVERNMENT DATA and PG&E data...It was NOT some YouTube video or ATS site opinion based post...

reply to Phage

Phage you say you are a pilot; not a Geo-Engineering expert. Why do you fight so hard to disprove chemtrails. Why do you care?

After seeing the videos, photos, and documents of Chemtrails from what other people have posted this Scientific document proves Chemtrails exist and they are doing it today. LOOK UP!

iopscience.iop.org

A potential delivery mechanism for the seeding material is already in place: the airline industry.

2.2.
Delivery mechanism Since commercial airliners routinely fly in the region where cold cirrus clouds exist, it is hoped that the seeding material could either be (1) dissolved or suspended in their jet fuel and later burned with the fuel to create seeding aerosol, or (2) injected into the hot engine exhaust, which should vaporize the seeding material, allowing it to condense as aerosol in the jet contrail

Originally posted by jeichelberg
reply to post by HypotheticalSituationist

 

Rather than post more YouTube videos, I was wondering if you could get to the point in time where you actually fulfill your stated objective and respond to the member questions...There are numeHous direct questions...please, you asked us to submit questions...I know Phage has submitted several and I know I have submitted four...if you could please address the questions, it would be appreciated...thank you.

Adam aka Hypothetical Situationist is not about to do anything similar to what you wish. It is not on his prewritten agenda card.

His agenda is to solicit through his signature, Google searches of his Hypothetical Situationist handle and (in)direct comment, your participation in the Project Camelot forum.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Hypothetical Situationist receives his marching orders from Kerry Cassidy. His views on chemtrails are nothing more than a blithering of hers which he has bought line, sinker, rod and reel.

Discussion is irrelevant to his objectives.

reply to post by dw31243

No.
It proves that little is known about the overall effects of geoengineering. But it is a different sort of proposal, the reduction of cirrus clouds. I thought "chemtrails" were supposed to be making the sky full of clouds.

Therefore the equilibrium response to the global introduction of sufficient concentrations of efficient ice nuclei may be a drier upper troposphere having less cirrus coverage. This could substantially increase the amount of outgoing longwave radiation (OLR) and thus have a substantial cooling effect on surface temperatures.

iopscience.iop.org...

I like to deny ignorance. Part of that is actually reading the material. There is no evidence or reason to believe that contrails are anything but contrails.

Originally posted by dw31243iopscience.iop.org

Here is a common extrapolation by an uninformed poster who believes that a citation - one without the peer review I might add hence it is called a "letter" - can be inserted as scientific analysis. if anything, the letter claims that there are "potentials" that "seeding can happen" that cirrus clouds "could be involved...

No disagreement with any of this letter's recapitulations but it is nothing more, when all is said and done, than an opinion "might, could, would, maybe", nothing more.