Nikola Tesla Unlimited Free Energy Forever [zero-point energy doco]

There are accepted "Laws" of physics. Thermodynamics, Motion, Energy, Speed of Light....ect.

As the recent furror over the neutrino's going faster than the speed of light story shows us, ANY lab/person that produces results which violate any of the "accepted laws" is going to be met with doubt and claims of error.

A reputable lab will release all of it's data to multiple agencies at the same time and ask for confirmation of it's results. We are still waiting on the neutrino duplication tests.

A credible solo scientist will publicly submit his/her data for review to the above mentioned labs to have their initial results tested.

All of that to say, If there were any ground-breaking ZPE physics theory which a person or a group of people could prove violated the established laws of physics, and add their names to the greatest known scientists list, you would not be hearing about it on a blog. It would be front-page international news.

Just like with Rossi and Keshe's claims, they are not being ignored because of some grand conspiracy to keep the technology hidden and secret, it's ignored because "it don't work!"

Originally posted by ChaoticOrder
reply to post by cupocoffee

 

Here's a really good page about the Bedini device(s): www.fight-4-truth.com...

I'm going to look at other options first though, and I think I found a good place to start.

Do a google search on the bedini motor. It has been debunked time and time again, most prominently on MythBusters.

Your going to have to keep looking.

reply to post by nightbringr


Bedini's "CD Ultra Clarifier" BS should be enough of a reason to not trust a single claim he makes.

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Yeah that's why I didn't really want to start the Bedini motor, it seemed like a scam to me. However, this solid state over-unity circuit by Dr. Steven E. Jones is looking very promising, it appears that many people have replicated it with success. I'm just refreshing some of my electronics knowledge and gathering all the parts. It seems the only part I'm missing is the toroid, but I think I might be able to come up with a quick fix.

Originally posted by nightbringr

Do a google search on the bedini motor. It has been debunked time and time again, most prominently on MythBusters.

The MythBusters hatchet job was done without even consulting with Bedini and without his permission, and they didn't even build the device properly, so of course it didn't work.

He explains that in "Energy from the Vacuum Part 2".

The truth is that ATS has never once given Bedini's technologies a fair chance.

No one has ever tried actually buying the book to see if the circuits and schematics in it work.

No one has ever joined the Yahoo group and tried the experiments to see if they work.

No one has ever bought one of the open-source kits and assembled it to see if that works.

Zorgon and Matyas and TheRedneck said that Bedini's stuff doesn't work and they could do better, but years have passed and still they have produced nothing at all for us.

The one ATS member who did try the School Girl Motor experiment reported positive results. But no one bothered to investigate any further than that, no one bothered to try building one of the more advanced units.

The truth is, no one here has ever bothered to investigate it properly, with real engineers and a lab and a real experiment; everyone just jumps to the conclusion that it doesn't work, because of things like the Mythbusters hatchet job, and the small army of debunkers who are always around to convince everyone else not to try.

And that is why no one at ATS has a real free energy device yet - because no one tries.

Originally posted by cupocoffee

The truth is that ATS has never once given Bedini's technologies a fair chance.

We can definitely comment on his his fraudulent "CD Ultra Clarifier" that he's happy to sell (read: scam) to unsuspecting victims. How do you apologise for that?

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Oh sure, change the subject to the Clarifier again and ignore all of my other points.

Big surprise, john_b

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You're basically saying "no one's tested his motor [actually false, they have, except your response is "the evidence is wrong!"] so how can anyone criticise his work?". Well, let's critique his "work" we do have hard details on: his fraudulent "Ultra Clarifier". You choose to (again) stick your fingers in your ears when you hear something you don't like.

What do you have to say about his fraudulent "Ultra Clarifier"? One of 2 scenarios exist which, seeing as this is a provable and testable track record, allows us to extrapolate:

1) He's utterly incompetent and doesn't actually know that he's selling something that's so easily exposed as utter bunkum. If he's that incompetent at technology that's so elementary, his more wild and extravagant claims should be met with deep scepticism.

2) He's aware that his "Ultra Clarifier" (and other audio-related technologies) do not work as advertised, thus he is knowingly committing fraud. As we can demonstrate that he's acting fraudulent with his known "inventions", it's fairly safe to say that his wilder claims (such as his motor) are also fraudulent, especially since it's been tested and demonstrated to not work as advertised, much like his "Ultra Clarifier" and other audio-related products.

Originally posted by john_bmth
You're basically saying "no one's tested his motor [actually false, they have, except your response is "the evidence is wrong!"]

WHO tested it?

Members of ATS, or are you referring to someone else?

Were they credible? Did they have credentials and experience in electrical engineering or physics?

How was the test conducted? Under what circumstances?

Got a link?

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Mythbusters. So, what is your opinion on his "Ultra Clarifier", something we know doesn't work? Is he incompetent or fraudulent?

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Oh sure, Mythbusters produced a hatchet job and put it on TV.

But Bedini specifically states in EFTV Part 2 that that was done without consulting him, without his permission, and that they did not build their device correctly to his specifications.

Originally posted by cupocoffee
reply to post by john_bmth

 

Oh sure, Mythbusters produced a hatchet job and put it on TV.

Evidence, please.

But Bedini specifically states in EFTV Part 2 that that was done without consulting him, without his permission, and that they did not build their device correctly to his specifications.

That's not evidence, that's the standard scammer's "hey, it's not our fault, you didn't build it correctly" excuse.

So, what is your opinion on his "Ultra Clarifier", something he sells for profit to unsuspecting victims? Fraudulent or incompetent?

You dont need a huge esay so explain why we dont have this tech, i'll break it down for you in a few words...

The richest people rule the world and the word "free" is not in their vocabulary

Even if they were forced to release such technology, they would make it so it required regular servicing so they could make money off that, or put tax on it, or require you to have a license to use it.

Nothing will ever be unlimited and free, not in our lifetime anyway, sorry to say.

Originally posted by john_bmth
Evidence, please.

I told you already. Bedini specifically states in "Energy from the Vacuum Part 2" that Mythbusters did not consult with him, they did not ask his permission, and they did not build their device properly to his specifications.

The whole premise of their "test" was flawed, in many ways, so it does not count.

To conduct a real test, you would need credible engineers, and you would need someone there to double-check and triple-check everything to ensure that the device is built the way it's supposed to, exactly to Bedini's specifications.

Originally posted by cupocoffee

Originally posted by john_bmth
Evidence, please.

I told you already. Bedini specifically states in "Energy from the Vacuum Part 2" that Mythbusters did not consult with him, they did not ask his permission, and they did not build their device properly to his specifications.

That's the classic scammer tactic.You can't sell the final "product" as you would be done for fraud and false advertising so instead you sell the parts + instructions and blame the customer when it inevitably doesn't work. What do you expect him to say, "yeah, they did it right, my product doesn't actually work"?

The whole premise of their "test" was flawed, in many ways, so it does not count.

According to Bedini, the person exposed as a fraud.

To conduct a real test, you would need credible engineers, and you would need someone there to double-check and triple-check everything to ensure that the device is built the way it's supposed to, exactly to Bedini's specifications.

So why was the Mythbuster's test not credible? You can't say "because Bedini said so" because that's clearly an absurd argument coming from a man with a clear conflict of interest.

So, what is your opinion on his "Ultra Clarifier", something he sells for profit to unsuspecting victims? Fraudulent or incompetent?

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john_b, you are assuming that Bedini is a fraud, but the Mythbusters are somehow above reproach.

How can you possibly know that they built the device properly, and conducted the test properly, when there were no independent third parties there to double-check their work and ensure that they do everything right?

How can you be so sure that it isn't the other way around, and the Mythbusters were paid to produce a hatchet job, and Bedini's motor actually does work?

Originally posted by cupocoffee
reply to post by john_bmth

 

john_b, you are assuming that Bedini is a fraud, but the Mythbusters are somehow above reproach.

We know he is a fraud, as demonstrated by his "CD Ultra Clarifier" which you refuse to comment on. Unless you can provide evidence that Mythbusters are fraudulent or bias, there is no reason to suspect this is the case.

How can you possibly know that they built the device properly, and conducted the test properly, when there were no independent third parties there to double-check their work and ensure that they do everything right?

How do you know they didn't build the device properly? Do you have evidence that suggests they didn't? Do you have any evidence to suggest they didn't perform a valid test? By definition, they ARE the "independent tihird party" and their results demonstrate that the device did not work as advertised, so if you have evidence that suggests they are not independent but in fact have an agenda, post it up.

How can you be so sure that it isn't the other way around, and the Mythbusters were paid to produce a hatchet job, and Bedini's motor actually does work?

Provide evidence to support this claim, otherwise it's baseless conjecture.

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john_b, the fact is, you are just assuming that Mythbusters built the device properly, and conducted the test properly, but we have no way to know that for 100% sure.

What if they didn't build and test it properly? What if they were paid to produce a hatchet job to broadcast to the world?

There were no independent parties there to double-check their work and ensure that they were doing everything right, therefore the entire premise of their test was flawed. Period.

ATS members have never conducted their own test, everyone just assumes that the technology doesn't work.

And that's why no one here has something that works yet.

Originally posted by cupocoffee
reply to post by john_bmth

 

john_b, the fact is, you are just assuming that Mythbusters built the device properly, and conducted the test properly, but we have no way to know that for 100% sure.

There is no reason to suspect the test was invalid.

What if they didn't build and test it properly? What if they were paid to produce a hatchet job to broadcast to the world?

What if, what if. You're the one quoting Bedini as a rebuttal to Mythbusters, the very man who's "invention" was exposed as fraudulent.

There were no independent parties there to double-check their work and ensure that they were doing everything right, therefore the entire premise of their test was flawed. Period.

They were the independent party. What do you expect, another independent party? Then another independent party to ensure the independent party is independent? Then of course we'd need another independent party to verify that that independent party is truly independent and so on.

ATS members have never conducted their own test, everyone just assumes that the technology doesn't work.

And what is wrong with extrapolating from what we do know, namely that he sells a fraudulent device that does not work as advertised? Something you have still yet to comment on.

And that's why no one here has something that works yet.

That and the fact that it doesn't work.

Edit: yet again this is going to go round in circles as cupofcoffeee refuses to answer extremely pertinent questions whilst making and defending baseless claims without any evidence whatsoever. Unless you have something of substance to say, I'm not going to bother responding.

Originally posted by john_bmth
There is no reason to suspect the test was invalid.

There is every reason!

That Mythbusters segment was the only time the Bedini motor was ever addressed on TV - and Bedini himself wasn't even there to ensure that they conducted the test properly??

john_b, can you PROVE, with evidence, that the Mythbusters conducted the test properly?

No?

I didn't think so.

Besides, many, many other independent parties have also replicated Bedini motors besides Mythbusters.

What about all of Bedini's supporters in the Yahoo group, and on sites like Peswiki and overunity.com, who claim that they have done the experiments and replicated the technology and it does work?

They are all in on the scam too, I suppose?