Nikola Tesla Unlimited Free Energy Forever [zero-point energy doco]

reply to post by ChaoticOrder

Seriously. Go and look up the physical definition of energy, work and maybe entropy while you're at it. You're making yourself a clown.

reply to post by cupocoffee

People accuse Bedini and his supporters of having a hidden agenda, people accuse me of having a hidden agenda, but somehow the Mythbusters are absolutely above reproach? Everything they say should just be taken as gospel without question?

Why do his supporters choose to attack anyone who is not able to replicate the advertised functionality?
I mean if I had a working over-unity device I would give a s*ht what anyone else thinks. Actually I wouldn't have told anyone in the first place that I have one and would be multi-millionaire already by feeding the electricity into the grid.

Why do you automatically assume the worst? What if they sell books and kits, because the motors work and they want people to try building them?

People sell things to earn money else they would give them away for free.

If I want to buy a fridge, I don't buy schematics and parts from the manufacturer, I buy a built unit. You know why? Because fridges are real. Fridges work. There's no need to hide behind the ambiguity of self-assembly because if the fridge doesn't work as advertised, the law is on my side and I can get my money back. No need for "yahoo groups", no need for YouTube videos, no need for ignorant cheerleaders, the proof is in the pudding. Notice the difference in approach?

Originally posted by moebius
People sell things to earn money else they would give them away for free.

They do give away the schematics for free - in the Yahoo group!

And there are also many other pages on the web that have the schematics posted for free. ChaoticOrder already linked to some of them in this thread.

Originally posted by john_bmth
If I want to buy a fridge, I don't buy schematics and parts from the manufacturer, I buy a built unit.

Like the "Renaissance Charger" units that Bedini sells?

Which no one here has ever tried?

reply to post by cupocoffee

A few posts ago you stated they would be selling them. So what is it now?

reply to post by cupocoffee


What, like his fraudulent "CD Ultra Clarifier" which you persist in sticking your fingers in your ears about?

Originally posted by moebius
If it actually worked they wouldn't have to sell all this books and kits.

That's the classic scammer tactic. You can't sell the final "product" as you would be done for fraud and false advertising so instead you sell the parts + instructions and blame the customer when it inevitably doesn't work

This is really what this all comes down to.

Why on earth is this man selling kits when he could be a multi-millionaire selling the completed product? Sorry cupofcoffee, but if you want a free energy device, your going to have to keep looking. Say all you want about the mythbuster people, but many, many others have purchased his product and came up short on results. A quick search on youtube will bring up several videos.

Im sorry, free energy, if even possible ever will not be as easy as a few capacitors and batteries hooked into a basic circuit that we would learn in electronics 101.

Originally posted by nightbringr
Why on earth is this man selling kits when he could be a multi-millionaire selling the completed product?

He does sell completed units - the "Renaissance Charger" units.

But they are battery chargers, not generators.

They are still working on solid-state generators that you could use to power a car or a house.

reply to post by cupocoffee


So basically you're saying that his "inventions" do work because he's selling them as an assembled product. So what's the excuse for selling his "motor" in kitform?

reply to post by john_bmth


They sell the kits in order to teach others how the technology works.

reply to post by cupocoffee


What? Why not sell an assembled product with optional schematics? You really are scraping the barrel now.

reply to post by john_bmth


Not at all.

They have stated that they are trying to train a new generation of engineers who can take over and continue developing the technology when they are gone.

That's what the schematics and books and kits are for.

They also sell the completed solid state battery chargers, for customers who want that.

They are also working on solid state generators.

Have a look at this page:

pesn.com...

reply to post by moebius

Seriously. Go and look up the physical definition of energy, work and maybe entropy while you're at it. You're making yourself a clown.

First, what is a "physical definition"? Second, you're the one who believes in thermodynamics so strongly that you think all the energy in the Universe has simply been here all the time. Possibly even more absurd, you're using basic thermodynamic concepts to make arguments concerning the most fundamental aspects of nature and the possibility of using vacuum energy. This whole time you've been trying to discuss quantum mechanics from a classical perspective. Answer me this, how much do you know about quantum mechanics?

reply to post by cupocoffee

Because this was not just any test, this is a test that was broadcast out to the world on national TV!

That's not going to affect the outcome of the test.

You seriously don't see why the actual inventor would want to be present at such a test, to ensure that the testers were actually doing everything right and not merely producing a hatchet job?

Were I in Bedini's shoes, and I had a working over-unity device that could be built for minimal investment on the part of the average person.... I would confront the Mythbusters' test with my own public video, openly releasing designs on how to build my machine correctly (with step-by-step instructions with a list of raw materials/components available from a number of different manufacturers) - and call for everyone to begin constructing a network of over-unity rechargers so that we could eventually have enough batteries in flux to do serious industrial tasks with, literal, truckloads of AA batteries (or whatever form factor they get made and recharged in).

"But you can no longer make money!"

You kidding? Look at how vehemently the dude is defended and followed around by people as-is. There would be a massive number of people who would donate some of the energy gains of their over-unity devices to some industrial goal he had in mind. Me, personally - I'd invest in forms of energy-to-matter conversion and begin efforts to make us a God-species. That would fulfill my God complex in some incredibly satisfactory ways.

Have you actually watched the segment, BTW? The Mythbusters were obviously biased right from the start. Their body language was cocky and arrogant and exaggerated, they were cracking jokes the entire time; clearly they weren't actually taking their work seriously.

I've drawn issue with the Mythbusters' methods before. However, in this case - they would not have been able to build a functional device.

They were told to produce a hatchet job, and that's what they did.

No. Just, no. There's not even a curtain for the man you are looking to hide behind. You're, also, not staring down an implausibly floating and talking head of gigantic proportions.

In short - suspect a man behind the curtain or a wheel-within-a-wheel when the situation seems implausible. In this case, there's no need to suspect a man behind a curtain, as the situation is not at all implausible.

That's what the Yahoo group is for. People join the group, they are given a schematic, they build the device and report their results. If they are successful with that, they are given a schematic for a more advanced model, they build and test that and report their results, and so on.

Wait... seriously? That's how the Yahoo group works?

So, if you build the device and fail to do it correctly, or it simply doesn't work... you don't get to "move up?"

Shouldn't that raise some red flags?

Why do they sell a "Free Energy Circuits and Schematics" book? Surely not to get people building things and doing peer review?

A) Suppose I work for a research institute. The team I am working with, and I, discover an over-unity phenomena. We publish our methods - to include equipment used, how it was setup, everything necessary to replicate the test in its entirety.

B) Suppose I am dicking around in my garage and discover I can make a device that shoots out a Kamehameha Wave. I am going to 1) be a firin' my laser, and 2) be selling that device to interested parties with operating instructions recommending "shoop da woop" be called before every blast with the marketed Eraser Beam.

When someone says: "I have this amazing product, but you can only buy it as a kit with instructions" - you should be leery.

Why do they sell open-source kits with all the parts and instructions? It couldn't be for peer review....

But you have to buy the instructions (not open source) ... and buying the kit is probably the recommended way of going about acquiring the materials in the instructions (likely with a fairly substantial markup on the components).

Plus, I thought all of this # was suppressed. Why hasn't energizer started selling chargers like this? They don't make any money off of the energy from rechargeable batteries. You could charge $800 a pop for a charger like that, and it'd be worth it. Their rechargeable battery sales would shoot through the roof.... and they could still provide normal batteries with the over-unity energy from these devices - without having to pay the power company for it.

And you dared to call me obtuse?

How should that member go about doing that? What sort of evidence could that member show us that would actually be convincing for a majority of the members here?

If this # worked, I'd have a whole room full of these things.

reply to post by ChaoticOrder

The man is single handedly responsible for pushing us into the electronic era.

That's glorifying him a tad.

He is, however, something of an unsung hero/pioneer of electronics.

wireless power transmission

This, not so much. Wireless power transmission is, really, a pipe dream. Even some of the best results that can be obtained with Tesla's methods (and modern methods) are barely enough to run a florescent bulb from several meters away (with a huge amount of power input).

wireless communication, radio-controlled devices

Interestingly, Tesla never grasped the potential of the Tesla coil - which was RF communication. While the two share many principles - radio was largely the accomplishment of other inventors who were responsible for the contact diode essential to detection of information within a radio signal.

x-ray technology, laser and radar technology,

No, not really.

the list goes on and on.

He had a very active mind and was something of a polar opposite of Einstein. Einstein revolved around "thought experiments" - he enjoyed playing things out in his mind. Tesla enjoyed getting hands-on and staying hands-on until he made something that struck his fancy. He took an idea and went with it to the work-bench.

Yet the first thing you do is attack the mans sanity, ABSOLUTELY TYPICAL. He was talking about radiant energy long before he was old and senile.

Hun, the first thing you have to understand about anyone with such a degree of intelligence is that we are all insane.

We are all aware of this, to some degree or another. It's not about whether or not I am insane - it's about whether or not I am currently keeping it in check. I want -nothing- more than to have a source of unlimited energy and/or mastery over entropy. You cannot imagine how many dreams I have that hinge upon that capability - they require it.

As I get older, or as I get more desperate, I am going to be less able to control my desire to see those things come to pass as I envision them - to play a part in them.

Tesla was a great man with a great mind. But the only god around here is me (not counting -The- God). So let's show some respect.

That's exactly why it's all about experimentation and tinkering. It doesn't matter how much you try to tell me energy can't come from nothing, your speculation is meaningless because science doesn't know enough about the nature of reality to begin with. You are trying to tell me these concepts are too advanced to make it work, yet at the same time are trying to explain to me how it can't be done, when in actuality you have no idea whether it can REALLY be done or not. Neither do I, but there's lots of reason to believe it might be possible, and I'm damn well going to try. When I think about all the energy in the Universe I can't believe that it was simply here all a long. When I ask people where God came from they tell he he/her/it was simply there all along. It's NOT a valid answer. It's completely illogical!

Let's not get side-tracked, here.

You want to make the assertion that we -have- made entropy-defying devices, then explain the lack of functional models and their utility by claiming the technology is suppressed.

I believe an over-unity or entropy-defying device is possible. I plan on devoting my life to discovering it; along with efficient, controllable methods of energy-to-matter conversion; reaction-less propulsion technologies; and "Faster Than Light" capabilities.

But I do not see the evidence for over-unity/entropy-mastery devices having been created in our recent past, much less that they are being suppressed. I see evidence for valiant efforts on behalf of many - and deviant efforts on behalf of con artists.

But the fact is that over-unity is too powerful for human beings to contain. Nuclear power is easier to contain and 'suppress.'

This, not so much. Wireless power transmission is, really, a pipe dream.

Haven't you ever seen those toothbrushes which sit in the base and charge without the need for any electrical nodes to touch? Via a simple induction coil located in the base it's easy to achieve wireless energy transmission. In fact the Wardenclyffe Tower was designed to commercialize a similar idea and give it world wide functionality.

radio was largely the accomplishment of other inventors who were responsible for the contact diode essential to detection of information within a radio signal.

The US Supreme Court has ruled that Tesla was the originator of wireless communication, including radio technology. It doesn't matter how much it was "tweaked" afterwards, he gave the first wireless technology to the world.

"x-ray technology, laser and radar technology,"

No, not really.

In 1917, around the time that the Wardenclyffe Tower was demolished by Boldt to make the land a more viable real estate asset, Tesla received AIEE's highest honor, the Edison Medal.

Tesla, in August 1917, first established principles regarding frequency and power level for the first primitive radar units.[80]

In 1934, Émile Girardeau, working with the first French radar systems, stated he was building them "according to the principles stated by Tesla".

Nikola Tesla - Wikipedia

In April 1887, Tesla began investigating what would later be called X-rays using his own single terminal vacuum tubes (similar to his patent #514,170). This device differed from other early X-ray tubes in that it had no target electrode. The modern term for the phenomenon produced by this device is bremsstrahlung (or braking radiation). We now know that this device operated by emitting electrons from the single electrode through a combination of field electron emission and thermionic emission. Once liberated, electrons are strongly repelled by the high electric field near the electrode during negative voltage peaks from the oscillating HV output of the Tesla Coil, generating X rays as they collide with the glass envelope. He also used Geissler tubes. By 1892, Tesla became aware of the skin damage that Wilhelm Röntgen later identified as an effect of X rays.

Nikola Tesla - Wikipedia

Let the future tell the truth, and evaluate each one according to his work and accomplishments. The present is theirs. The future, for which I have truly worked, is mine.

~ Nikola Tesla

Originally posted by Aim64C
Were I in Bedini's shoes, and I had a working over-unity device that could be built for minimal investment on the part of the average person.... I would confront the Mythbusters' test with my own public video, openly releasing designs on how to build my machine correctly (with step-by-step instructions with a list of raw materials/components available from a number of different manufacturers) - and call for everyone to begin constructing a network of over-unity rechargers so that we could eventually have enough batteries in flux to do serious industrial tasks with, literal, truckloads of AA batteries (or whatever form factor they get made and recharged in).

And that IS what he has done! The "Energy from the Vacuum" video series, the patents and schematics, the Yahoo group, the books, the kits, the conferences....

Wait... seriously? That's how the Yahoo group works?

So, if you build the device and fail to do it correctly, or it simply doesn't work... you don't get to "move up?"

Shouldn't that raise some red flags?

There are good reasons for doing it that way. They had a lot of people joining the group with ulterior motives, people coming in and heckling and trying to publicly dispute and discredit the inventor, people refusing to actually try building things.... (much like the way things usually go in this forum when the subject comes up )

So they set it up so that people have to provide their real name and they have to be willing to at least build and test a "School Girl Motor" before they get to move on to the more advanced stuff.

It makes sense to me. Keep the group limited to the actual builders and testers who have a legitimate interest, and keep all the shills and hecklers out...

When someone says: "I have this amazing product, but you can only buy it as a kit with instructions" - you should be leery.

*sigh*

No.

As I have already explained, more than once. You don't HAVE to buy it as a kit. You can find a lot of the schematics for free, you can shop for the parts yourself. The kits are just the simplest way to start.

They also sell the completed "Renaissance Charger" solid-state battery chargers - which no one here has ever tried either.

And you dared to call me obtuse?

Well, if you seriously can't see why Bedini would have wanted to be present at the Mythbusters test, to ensure that they were actually building and testing the unit properly, and not merely producing a hatchet job to broadcast out to the world, then yes. That is being obtuse.

And if you can't see that there might be very powerful energy corporations lurking behind the curtain with a motive to produce such a hatchet job and broadcast it out to the world, then that is also being obtuse.

How should that member go about doing that? What sort of evidence could that member show us that would actually be convincing for a majority of the members here?

If this # worked, I'd have a whole room full of these things.

You didn't answer my question.

If an ATS member does have a working overunity device, and he wants to then prove it to the rest of us, how should he go about doing that?

What sort of evidence could he show us that would prove it beyond any shadow of a doubt? A Youtube video?

Are you going to actually answer my questions? Is anyone going to?

One of Tesla's ideas was to burn atmospheric Nitrogen to power the Free Energy
Tower that somehow anyone could acquire for free and any communications with
the right tuning. How many today make their own tuners to get free TV. Not too
many but would power require proper Tesla tuning we can only speculate.

I think here were other over unity generators in the works but Tesla was interested
in getting his airship in the air with any funding possible. Why didn't Tesla make
a free energy generator. He did. Germany got it and went into a submarine by the
end of WWII. Why didn't Germany make the sub more known. Free energy is
worth more in secret. And a bargaining chip at the end of WWII that wasn't even
tossed or picked up. Perhaps in the US Navy in the 1970 or 80s found a ship docked
in France and used the Howard Hughes Glomar Challenger searched for the remains
of scuttled subs for more protection of secrets.

The most know of Tesla free energy devices are the unknown ships or foos and
saucers and Belgian Triangles. The mechanism is so strange that it leaves
"unnatural' natural evidence of its existence. Of course the ship runs on the nature
that Tesla lectured about. The Tesla ship is pulled upward to the desired altitude
and a forward force pulls the ship forward. The Death Ray bulb, 1/2 sphere of metal,
is the same device used before X-Rays to beam Radiographs from forty feet away to
the unpowered use in the Radiant Energy Patent to the forward force intake of
the flying machine.

Originally posted by ChaoticOrder
The problem is actually tapping into the ZPE. We know it's there, we just don't know how to make use of it (or so they say). You might say harvesting ZPE is like extracting energy from the aether, but it isn't the typical liquid or moving aether which has been disproven by science, it's a homogenous and isotropic aether making reference to space-time and the energy contained in so called 'empty' space.

edit on 17-11-2011 by ChaoticOrder because: (no reason given)

Using Empty space as your fuel, is rather destrutive in a way.
unless you find a way to do it safely.