Nikola Tesla Unlimited Free Energy Forever [zero-point energy doco]

reply to post by lilowl53

Also Nikola Tesla got a very raw deal when it came to his ideas and plans, and I think that is because back then people were scared of him and what he could do.

I usually read more of the thread before replying.......but I had to put in my two cents............I hope you do not mind........

I have been interested in Tesla for a long time........There are many good threads on ATS and I enjoy reading about him...............

But I have to say,,,,,,,,,,,,Edison was evil.................Westinghouse screwed him.................and they made him look like a fool because they were greedy backstabbing sob's I believe he was an extreme eccentric and "they" made him out to be nuts........."They" controlled the "media" and the money at that time..............How many others do you think were in on suppressing Tesla's brilliance?.....He still does not get the credit he deserves.

Tesla would litterally be the richest man on the Earth if he got what was due to him, when compared to modern times and business practices.......

By the way op.............I wish I could come up with a way to extract energy from a vacuum, or whatever.............I got some magnets

reply to post by ChaoticOrder

You mean energy cannot be created or destroyed... So then you need to answer my riddle. Where did all the energy in the Universe come from?

Why does it have to come from somewhere. Maybe it has been there all the time?

ZPE is a form of energy that remains even after a system has been reduced to the 'ground' state

So how do you want to make work with it, if it is "the ground state"? Where do you want to transfer the energy to? Once again thermodynamics!

Casimir Effect indicates this energy can exert a measurable force on physical matter, therefore it can potentially be harnessed.

Casimir force is conservative, no free lunch here.

Hawking also hypothesized that virtual particles are responsible for the 'evaporation' of black holes, in the theory known as Hawking Radiation ... You need to understand that this really doesn't have all that much to do with typical matter and thermodynamics, it's operating on a quantum mechanical level.

Funny that you bring Hawking radiation into the game. It it actually a consequence of thermodynamics. If there is no hawking radiation black holes would violate the laws of thermodynamics.
Btw quantum mechanics doesn't violate thermodynamics either.

reply to post by moebius

Why does it have to come from somewhere. Maybe it has been there all the time?

Hahaha! You actually said it! Your logic is flawless sir.

So how do you want to make work with it, if it is "the ground state"? Where do you want to transfer the energy to? Once again thermodynamics!

Once again you are thinking about ZPE in terms of classical matter. Please read what I'm saying carefully, VACUUM ENERGY.

Casimir force is conservative, no free lunch here.

The Casimir force simply helps prove the existence of vacuum energy, it probably wouldn't be good for much else. It just shows us that this energy is there and can in fact exert a force upon physical matter.

Funny that you bring Hawking radiation into the game. It it actually a consequence of thermodynamics.

Ummm no, according to the theory of Hawking Radiation, it is a consequence of virtual particles, it results in the release of thermal radiation and the evaporation of black holes. This process gives way to "black hole thermodynamics".

If there is no hawking radiation black holes would violate the laws of thermodynamics.

And if there were no virtual particles (vacuum energy) Hawking Radiation wouldn't work.

Here's another interesting doco about free energy I just started watching. Although the quality isn't great it does seem to be relatively new, because they are talking about Obama being the President.

reply to post by ChaoticOrder


It's actually a scientific dissertation partly done by Dawkins, partly from Susan Blackmore. It's well established to be true because, well it's rather obvious... We have mega computers that can stimulate several dozen times beyond the capacity of the mind of Tesla, and we've yet to see anything produced in these simulations of remarkable value.

Dear List,

I have worked with the theoretical concept of ZPE for twenty years and I do know a little bit about it. The naming of this energy is really a misnomer, because what causes this energy to exist in one form is temperature (hence the idea of a zero point), but it can appear in the presence of radiation and it can be found existing when certain universe matter is present (such as catalytic boron).

Those interested in the concept of this energy many call ZPE should sit back a minute in their chairs and think why this energy appears to be so elusive to open manipulation. That lack or inability to manipulate energy of this sort should open up a whole new discussion about how any energy appears in the universe and why this one is so hard to get at to examine. If those interested could speculate on how energy appears, the key to the existence and generation of ZPE would start to become much better understood.

It is also my personal opinion after working with the subject all these years that if mankind could describe how energy is generated to form the universe in the first place, then the real work begins using such a disclosure to produce a genuine unified field theory. Such a theory is entirely possible and this energy understanding would help formulate it by explaining in what way anything like matter exists.

I am a layman and not trained in scientific lingo so my explanations lack the sophistication of those in theoretical physics. But it is in theoretical physics that the translation of the work of Tesla and the layperson who have found it or know some of its features as to why it exists should be summarized and put into a scientific language rather than disposed of as amateurish rambling.

ZPE is all around us in virtually unlimited quantities and you do not have to look into a deep space vacuum to find it. It is elusive and hard to quantify because it is the result of a changing state of the material building blocks to pre-atomic matter.

Thanks

reply to post by Gorman91

We have mega computers that can stimulate several dozen times beyond the capacity of the mind of Tesla, and we've yet to see anything produced in these simulations of remarkable value.

LOL. Are you for real? I would like to see this simulation of Tesla's mind.

Computers are most definitely not as powerful as the Human brain yet. It's estimated that computers will reach the capacity of the Human brain by 2030.

Originally posted by ChaoticOrder
reply to post by nh_ee

 

This energy that isn't being absorbed by earth and other planetary bodies is being radiated out into space and continues to propagate and exist throughout space.

This is the fundamental basis of Zero Point Energy and it's existence in outer space.

Tesla was aware of this FREE energy that could be harnessed and that currently isn't decades ago.

Solar Panels are a beginning and are just scratching the surface of capturing a small portion of this free energy..

You are getting several concepts mixed up. A solar panel could be compared to a zero-point energy device because they both 'collect' energy from an external source, however they both operate on very different principles and tap a very different source of energy. Light has nothing to do with ZPE.

edit on 17-11-2011 by ChaoticOrder because: (no reason given)

You misunderstood my point in that fundamentally speaking Solar energy as is Zero Point energy is all comprised of electromagnetic energy. The only difference being Solar energy falls within the Infrared (visible)region of the electro magnetic energy frequency spectrum.

And this would also explain as as to how we can convert this radiant electromagnetic energy called solar energy back to DC (Direct Current) electrical energy.


But Let's look at what the author Moray King author of "Tapping the zero point energy" describes zero point energy as @ the 10:30 mark in the video:

"Zero Point energy has to do with fluctuations of electromagnetic fields at a very high frequency that which interacts with everything. And it turns out that the elementary particles interact with this energy and it becomes a potential energy source."

The example of the Aurora Borealis was my example pertinent to King's statement of how " The elementary particles interact with this energy and it becomes a potential energy source."

The identical way in which particles interact with the earth's electro magnetic fields resulting in and creating the Northern Lights.

The mere fact that energy is being converted into light in our magnetosphere proves that energy is being absorbed and dissipated as light.

Energy that we could potentially harness and the fundamental basis of Tesla's idea of harnessing "Cosmic Energy"



Peace

Originally posted by ChaoticOrder
reply to post by Gorman91

 

Simply put, you can't suppress it.

That's an illogical absolute statement based on what you think you know.

Your whole post is an illogical statement on somthing you do not know. He is right. In the day of instant information access (Internet), you could never keep this quiet. If people know about this technology and were worried about getting killed over it, it would be so easy to make the plans go viral in case of your death. Why haven't wikileaks exposed this? Right, because it's not true.

Let's put this challenge to you. You claimed to know how to make one, but put it off as bein too expensive and you don't have the time. So show us your plans. Maybe a complete schematic and list of items needed and a step by step "how to".

Betcha can't.

reply to post by nh_ee

And this would also explain as as to how we can convert this radiant electromagnetic energy called solar energy back to DC (Direct Current) electrical energy.

Actually that can be explained by the photoelectric effect. The photons transfer their energy into the electron upon impact and the electrons gains enough energy to jump off the atom. My question would be, how could electromagnetic energy exist within an empty pocket of space? The only thing that exists is vacuum energy, and I'm not quite sure it could be defined as EM radiation. I usually think of it in terms of virtual particles, but apparently there are theories which define vacuum energy as the zero-point energy of fields such as the electromagnetic field.

Vacuum energy is the zero-point energy of all the fields in space, which in the Standard Model includes the electromagnetic field, other gauge fields, fermionic fields, and the Higgs field. It is the energy of the vacuum, which in quantum field theory is defined not as empty space but as the ground state of the fields.

I'm not sure how the two explanations of vacuum energy fit together, I think it's something like "the ZPE of the fields is the result of vacuum fluctuations, and those fluctuations manifest themselves as virtual particles".

Although it could be said everything is made of the same thing at the most fundamental levels.

reply to post by nightbringr

Let's put this challenge to you. You claimed to know how to make one, but put it off as bein too expensive and you don't have the time. So show us your plans.

I never claimed I know how to make one, I said I had a brief look on the internet but everything was too complex or outside of my budget. I haven't tried to build a free energy device yet, and there's no way I could know what plans work if I haven't tried any of them.

There is a reason Tesla
has been relegated into
Obscurity ...

because the man
was on Point







ps. edison was a tool

Op you shouldn't have to defend the existence of Zero Point energy. This has already been proven to exist.

The concept of quantum mechanics and Zero Point Energy was proven to exist and as a result is part of his formulas related to energy as it relates to wavelength by a famous Physicist by the name of Max Planck.

Zero Point Energy:

Zero-point energy is the lowest possible energy that a quantum mechanical physical system may have; it is the energy of its ground state. All quantum mechanical systems undergo fluctuations even in their ground state and have an associated zero-point energy, a consequence of their wave-like nature. The uncertainty principle requires every physical system to have a zero-point energy greater than the minimum of its classical potential well, even at absolute zero. For example, liquid helium does not freeze under atmospheric pressure at any temperature because of its zero-point energy.

en.wikipedia.org...

And in relation to Planck's equations:

In physics, Planck's law describes the amount of energy emitted by a black body in radiation of a certain wavelength (i.e. the spectral radiance of a black body). The law is named after Max Planck, who originally proposed it in 1900. The law was the first to accurately describe black body radiation, and resolved the ultraviolet catastrophe. It is a pioneer result of modern physics and quantum theory. In terms of frequency (ν) or wavelength (λ), Planck's law is written:

en.wikipedia.org...

Note the relationship in Plank's equations of Zero Point Energy and the relationship to "Light" and their subsequent wavelengths.

This is exactly what transfers the energy from the sun in the form of Photons to your solar panels allowing it to be reconverted back to useable electrical energy.

Peace

reply to post by ChaoticOrder

Hahaha! You actually said it! Your logic is flawless sir.

Care to share what is so entertaining so we can laugh together?

Once again you are thinking about ZPE in terms of classical matter. Please read what I'm saying carefully, VACUUM ENERGY.

You seem to think that vacuum energy is some magic fairy dust where some physical laws don't apply anymore. This is where you are wrong. Thermodynamics remains valid independent of the scale. And energy has the same meaning in quantum mechanics as in classic.

Ummm no, according to the theory of Hawking Radiation, it is a consequence of virtual particles, it results in the release of thermal radiation and the evaporation of black holes. This process gives way to "black hole thermodynamics".

LOL. Virtual particles or vacuum fluctuations is the how, it is the mechanism describing the evaporation. The temperature(thermodynamics, entropy) of the black hole is the why.

To get a bit more into detail:
Thermal radiation of black holes was first predicted by Jacob Bekenstein 1972 (else they would violate thermodynamics). Hawking was opposed to this idea! It was 1973 when Hawking met Yakov Zeldovich and Alexander Starobinsky who showed that according to uncertainty principle rotating black holes should emmitt particles. Thereafter he derived the mechanisms involved(called Hawking Radiation of course) and published his results 1974.

reply to post by nh_ee

Op you shouldn't have to defend the existence of Zero Point energy. This has already been proven to exist.

Try telling that to some of the posters here.

Originally posted by ChaoticOrder
reply to post by nightbringr

 

Let's put this challenge to you. You claimed to know how to make one, but put it off as bein too expensive and you don't have the time. So show us your plans.

I never claimed I know how to make one, I said I had a brief look on the internet but everything was too complex or outside of my budget. I haven't tried to build a free energy device yet, and there's no way I could know what plans work if I haven't tried any of them.

Fair enough, point taken. However, if you do claim to know of a source with actual schematics or a "how to", I'd love to research it myself. After my own searches, I have come up with nothing but unscientific jumbo jumbo.

While zero point energy certainly exists, there is no reason to believe we can harness it using our current technologies.

Originally posted by ChaoticOrder
reply to post by nh_ee

 

Op you shouldn't have to defend the existence of Zero Point energy. This has already been proven to exist.

Try telling that to some of the posters here.

That really isn't the point though, is it? Most people here aren't disputing that. We're disputing if it is even possible to harness in the first place, and if so if it is cost effective or practical.

reply to post by ChaoticOrder


Individual ones no. Collections of them, yes.

You don't stimulate Tesla's mind. You stimulate the laws of the universe.

reply to post by TheChamelon

Solar energy is absolutely Free Energy

Solar Energy is absolutely free and Does currently exist.

The cost of solar panels is continuously dropping and in looking at Home Depot's website the cost of solar panels is currently down around $2. per watt and this is even before the 30% tax break.

My Fridge uses about 180 watts for 10 minutes about 4-5 times a day as it cycles on and off.
My Desktop computer and 24" monitor uses about 160 watts continuously during the time it's on in my office.

That's a total of 340 watts adding my cable modem and wireless router is an additional 20 watts or 360 watts.

Rounding that up to 400 watts (peak power) is about all that I am using in my home and office during the day.

A 230 watt solar panel goes for $499. 2 panels would provide continuous (w/sunlight) 460 Watts of power.

When the Fridge isn't cycling ON I am only using only approximately 200 Watts.

That additional 260 Watts would spin my meter backwards and would be sold to the Grid reducing my Electric Bill and offsetting and recouping the cost of the panels and ancillary gear (Charge Controller Batteries and DC/AC Inverters)

Once and after tax rebates the equipment is paid off this would be completely free energy used to power my household needs during the course of the day and even make a few $$$ selling power to the grid.

Just what if I needed to charge an electric vehicle ??? Such as a Chevy VOLT or Nissan Leaf ?
Simply add on another couple of panels which will be even cheaper for the prices are dropping annually.

reply to post by moebius

You seem to think that vacuum energy is some magic fairy dust where some physical laws don't apply anymore. This is where you are wrong. Thermodynamics remains valid independent of the scale.

I am not saying thermodynamics is wrong at small scales, I'm saying that thermodynamics is wrong about the fact that energy can't from nothing. The entire Universe came from nothing, even Hawking believes that there must be negative-matter (not negatively charged) to balance out the normal matter. So when you add the normal matter to the negative-matter you get nothing. He compares it to digging a hole. You end up with a pile of dirt and a negative-pile (the hole). When you add them together (fill in the hole) you get flat ground (nothing). So in order to get something from nothing, it is believed that you must also have a negative-something to balance out the equation. This seems to be the answer to how energy can even exist in the first place.

Virtual particles would seem to operate on a similar principle, because they exist momentary before disappearing again. The virtual particles come in pairs, in Hawking Radiation Theory it is the event horizon which rips apart the pair and doesn't give them the chance to annihilate each other. Therefore, you end up with a real particle, and the negative particle enters the black hole and actually reduces the mass. So in this example we aren't gaining anything, but it shows that virtual particles can become real particles. What confuses me is that virtual particle pairs are often referred to as a particle/antiparticle pair, and I was under the impression if anti-matter collided with normal matter it would result in 100% energy release. But obviously that's not what happens, the pair of virtual particles literally cancel each other out, like destructive interference.

I think the best argument against vacuum energy being used as a source of free energy might be that you can't harvest a normal virtual particle without releasing the negative/anti version of that particle. Therefore the net gain would actually be zero, you wouldn't be bringing new energy into the Universe, because the negative/anti particle will cancel out some normal matter eventually. However I strongly believe vacuum energy is some how related to the initial moments of the Universe, and where all the energy came from. The evidence of the Big Bang clearly shows there was a massive explosion that released all the energy from a single point. It's completely illogical in my mind to say it was all simply here to begin with, I honestly don't care what thermodynamics has to say about it.

edit: but obviously we wouldn't want to utilize vacuum energy by harvesting particles, we want to use that underlying energy to stimulate an electrical process in the physical world, possibly through electromagnetic resonation or something like that. I'm not really sure how it would work, I don't really know much beyond the fact that ZPE is likely real and our best chance for getting free energy.