Nikola Tesla Unlimited Free Energy Forever [zero-point energy doco]

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I wouldn't worry about it. Not all of us are on the same level of comprehension obviously.

In viewing this Energy concept in it's most simplistic of terms we have and know exist magnetic fields in the vacuum of space and the interaction of these fields constitutes Zero Point Energy.

Anyone who knows a thing or two about Physics knows full and well that if you insert a coil into a magnetic field you will Induce Current.

Remember the electromagnet back in elementary school using a battery and a coil surrounding a nail ? A long Proven principle called the "Right Hand Rule" of Physics.

So getting out into the vacuum ...We have a magnetic field sitting in space tapping into boundless energy surrounding it.

Insert energized coil...

Tie this coil to ground and the induced current will flow towards the center of the Earth aka Ground ...place an opposing coil to induce another field and there's your captured energy ....in essence the same principles employed by a simple transformer.

This is where Tesla also an Electrical Engineer (EE) was headed and also as to why he was silenced AND ridiculed as being a senile old man....

But as I've said time and time again it isn't my job to Educate the masses of the misinformed but only to get them to merely open their minds and begin to think for themselves vs allowing others to think for them.



Peace

That guy near the end Dennis Lee was involved with a lot of fake crap so might not add much cred to the show for showcasing a con artist

Originally posted by nh_ee
I wouldn't worry about it. Not all of us are on the same level of comprehension obviously.

And i might say the same of yours, considering the rest of the post.

Originally posted by nh_ee
In viewing this Energy concept in it's most simplistic of terms we have and know exist magnetic fields in the vacuum of space and the interaction of these fields constitutes Zero Point Energy.

Correct. However, you do realize by the word "space" they are refering to the 3 spacial dimensions we are familiar with, not "outer space".

Originally posted by nh_ee
So getting out into the vacuum ...We have a magnetic field sitting in space tapping into boundless energy surrounding it.

Insert energized coil...

Tie this coil to ground and the induced current will flow towards the center of the Earth aka Ground ...place an opposing coil to induce another field and there's your captured energy ....in essence the same principles employed by a simple transformer.

And what is it you hope to accomplish with this? This coil will generate energy. Maybe if it is large enough, you will power a house. So you have spent millions building space coils to power very little. Not sure what point your making. You do realize space is not an absolute vacuum, dont you? I say it again, no one here is disputing the existance of zero point energy, we're disputing the fact that it is "free", practical or even possible with modern technology.

reply to post by ChaoticOrder

I'm saying that thermodynamics is wrong about the fact that energy can't from nothing. The entire Universe came from nothing

Fact is, thermodynamics is the hard and ugly reality. The beginning of the universe and the origin of space and time is pure speculation. How can you assume that the universe came from nothing when there is no way to observe what has been before space and time came into existence.

I strongly believe vacuum energy ...

Yes you are free to believe whatever you want.

I honestly don't care what thermodynamics has to say about it.

I see. You pick the things you like and ignore the rest. Fortunately science doesn't work this way.

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The beginning of the universe and the origin of space and time is pure speculation.

Uh huh. Obviously you haven't looked at the extraordinary amount of evidence which supports the fact that all the energy in the Universe exploded (exploded isn't really the right term but that's not relevant) from a single point.

I strongly believe vacuum energy ...

Yes you are free to believe whatever you want.

You didn't even copy the whole sentence. Are you now trying to imply that vacuum energy doesn't exist even after you yourself explained that it was related to Hawking Radiation?

I honestly don't care what thermodynamics has to say about it.

I see. You pick the things you like and ignore the rest. Fortunately science doesn't work this way.

You are choosing to believe in the all mighty theory of thermodynamics yet you are ignoring one the most important theories of all time, the Big Bang Theory. To say all this energy has simply been here all along is a bit like saying God has simply been here all along, without offering any sort of explanation. It's absurd logic.

great man, Nicholas Tesla, i heard a gossip , he is behind of research of the fifth force too, i found very little about this things, do you know something about this?

Originally posted by ChaoticOrder
You are choosing to believe in the all mighty theory of thermodynamics yet you are ignoring one the most important theories of all time, the Big Bang Theory. To say all this energy has simply been here all along is a bit like saying God has simply been here all along, without offering any sort of explanation. It's absurd logic

Not sure there is any point arguing such a thing. There is not a scientist alive who can tell you exactly how the big bang played out, why, or what the state of the universe was before it happened. Stephen Hawkings usual answer is "What does it matter"? At first it sounds dismissive, but he has a point. Before it happened, nothing existed but the singularity. Whats important is what came directly after.

reply to post by nightbringr

Before it happened, nothing existed but the singularity. Whats important is what came directly after.

The key to everything is understanding what happened before the Big Bang. Some scientists believe there may have been a countless amount of Big Bangs before this one. It's extremely important to understand where the energy actually comes from in the first place, and Hawking is starting to get there with his negative-matter theory imo (I explained it at the bottom of the last page). It seems to me like they don't want us to think about anything before the singularity because the next obvious questions are what caused the Big Bang and what supplied the energy.

edit: there is even a theory which says the Big Bang may have been caused by a collision between 'hyper-dimensional membranes'. The same question arises though. Where did the energy for the membranes come from?

Hey guys, this theoretical debate about ZPE and thermodynamics and the Big Bang is fascinating and all,

But while the debate rages on, is anybody actually building anything or doing any experiments?

It's really hard to prove any of this stuff without having a working overunity device handy....

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I disagree. The laws of the universe were completely different now than before the big bang, making it knowing what came before pointless and unnecissary for our current understanding of the universe. I think the "what does it matter", is simply in reference to how our universe currently exists. Anything that happened before the current (if there were previous) big bangs are unimportant to how things are now. I believe it WILL matter to scientists once they have discovered everything else. Currently, its safe to say "it doesnt matter".

Its like asking "what was i before i was born"?

And the main point of this line of questioning if im not mistaken is your point of space containing this energy. Well one thing scientists do seem to agree upon is that space did not exist until the big bang and the rapid expansion that occured directly after. There would have (i imagine) been no energy in this dead space even if it did exist, as electromagnitism would not have existed until the moment after the big bang. The entirety of the universe beforehand would have been contained within the singularity. Nothing, and i mean nothing else existed outside of it. Not space, not and strong or weak force, nothing.

Originally posted by Gorman91
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You should look up memes and temes. Simply put, you can't suppress it. never in human history has technology been suppressed easily, and all attempts simply lead to backlash that kills the suppressor in due time. Temes want to replicate, and memes want to use them to replicate. They WILL replicate. No act of man will change this fact. It's like trying to hold cells in your hand, thinking you can stop them from reproducing. All they will do is replicate in your hand and live on in the given volume.


For prison, that's not the point. The point is you make friends in prison, and work well to spread your ideas. If these prison folk knew how to do it, they would tell another, who told another, and eventually the teme would replicate somehow via meme.

It's not a question of if you are or are not trying to suppress something. It's a question of how hard you want to fall when it replicates.


It hasn't replicated yet, because it doesn't exist.

edit on 18-11-2011 by Gorman91 because: (no reason given)

LOL... What?

reply to post by nightbringr

I disagree. The laws of the universe were completely different now than before the big bang, making it knowing what came before pointless and unnecissary for our current understanding of the universe.

That's simply speculation, and I will explain why I think you are a 'little bit' wrong about that in a moment.

Its like asking "what was i before i was born"?

I didn't exist, but before I was born my mom was pushing me out. Before my mom was pregnant she was having sex. Babies were born before me and they will be born after I go.

Well one thing scientists do seem to agree upon is that space did not exist until the big bang and the rapid expansion that occured directly after.

Actually I don't think that is correct, scientists now believe that space-time is generally flat throughout the entire Universe, and they speculate that space-time could in fact go on forever in all directions. We can only see a certain amount of the Universe, known as the observable Universe.

The Wilkinson Microwave Anisotropy Probe (WMAP) has confirmed that the universe is flat with only a 0.5% margin of error.[1] Within the Friedmann-Lemaître-Robertson-Walker (FLRW) model, the presently most popular shape of the Universe found to fit observational data according to cosmologists is the infinite flat model,[2] while other FLRW models that fit the data include the Poincaré dodecahedral space[3][4] and the Picard horn.[5]

Shape of the Universe

This model of the Universe doesn't seem to merge with the theory that space-time didn't exist before the Big Bang or came from the Big Bang its self. In this thread I started not long ago CLPrime was kind enough to explain to me how this infinite flat model merges with the Big Bang theory:

according to one current Inflation model, it was the creation of energy within the initial, already-infinite but empty, universe that caused inflation/expansion to begin with. Basically, in Quantum Mechanics, a vacuum can contain "unseen" energy. If this energy is spontaneously released, it would result in an anti-gravitational force pushing out on every point in space. This is, theoretically, what caused the initial period of inflation.
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The universe began as an infinite empty space.
Then, the initial quantum vacuum (which existed throughout the entire infinite universe) collapsed, releasing a vast amount of energy and causing that infinite space to suddenly and rapidly expand (the so-called Inflationary Epic).
As the universe expanded and cooled, the energy condensed and formed matter.

reply to post by ChaoticOrder


Perhaps there is more that i need to read about then. My understanding has been that most scientists believed that the singularity preceeding the big bang contained the entirety of the universe.

Now, to me this says that even if space was infinite as the flat model indicates, before the big bang, there would be no strong or weak force, no cosmic backround radiation, no matter of anykind outside of the singularity, and therefore no zero point energy to be harnessed until after the big bang event.

For what its worth, i have read up on the braneworld theory you described as being a possible cause of the big bang. I still believe even if this was the case, that what came before would have little bearing on the universe as we see it today. While it would be endlessly fascinating to delve into these secrets and truely understand how it all started, how would understanding that part of our past help us harness zero point energy today?

reply to post by nightbringr

that's where Tesla comes in. He was delivering it and the a holes in power back then squashed him. Imagine where we'd be by now if people had supported Tesla instead of disabling him. It truly is a shame and in my opinion where technology went wrong. We still haven't recovered.

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it's found in the Higgs field

Originally posted by bottleslingguy
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it's found in the Higgs field

What is?

Originally posted by bottleslingguy
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that's where Tesla comes in. He was delivering it and the a holes in power back then squashed him. Imagine where we'd be by now if people had supported Tesla instead of disabling him. It truly is a shame and in my opinion where technology went wrong. We still haven't recovered.

Thats all well and good, and Tesla certainly did get screwed over by Edison and more, but to say that he would have solved all our worldly power needs is a bit much, and certainly speculation. I find it hard to believe that with all the brilliant minds out there, no one has been able to put together this free energy machine. We can talk all we want about how they are killed off, silenced or jailed, but in the day of instant information, someone surely would have put out detailed plans onto the internet anoymously.

Hell, why doesnt anonymous or wikileaks find and release this information? Simple. It doesnt exist, and if it did, our current technology may make it prohibitably expensive.

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extraordinary amount of evidence which supports the fact that all the energy in the Universe exploded (exploded isn't really the right term but that's not relevant) from a single point

I am not challenging the Big Bang theory, but your interpretation of it! According to the Big Bang theory, the Universe was once in an extremely hot and dense state which expanded rapidly. Big Bang theory doesn't deal with what has been before or what caused it. If I am wrong please cite a scientific source.

You didn't even copy the whole sentence.

You stated that you believe. Science is not about what you or anyone else believes!

Are you now trying to imply that vacuum energy doesn't exist ..

Nope.

You are choosing to believe in the all mighty theory of thermodynamics yet you are ignoring one the most important theories of all time, the Big Bang Theory.

First of all, I am not choosing to believe into thermodynamics. Thermodynamics is a very basic observable phenomenon at all scales. Second, I am not ignoring the Big Bang theory(see above).

To say all this energy has simply been here all along is a bit like saying God has simply been here all along, without offering any sort of explanation. It's absurd logic.

What? Are we getting into religion now???

Originally posted by nightbringr
Thats all well and good, and Tesla certainly did get screwed over by Edison and more, but to say that he would have solved all our worldly power needs is a bit much, and certainly speculation. I find it hard to believe that with all the brilliant minds out there, no one has been able to put together this free energy machine. We can talk all we want about how they are killed off, silenced or jailed, but in the day of instant information, someone surely would have put out detailed plans onto the internet annoymously.

Hell, why doesnt anonymous or wikileaks find and release this information? Simple. It doesnt exist, and if it did, our current technology may make it prohibitably expensive.

*sigh*

Listen, the inventor who is widely considered to be the contemporary leader in developing Tesla technologies is John Bedini.

He and Bearden and Rick Friedrich have released all sorts of information. Patents, schematics, books, videos, open-source kits, everything.

The problem certainly ISN'T lack of information. The problem is that no one around here has ever made any kind of organized and serious effort to evaluate the information and technology that's already out there.

Instead, every single "free energy" thread, including this one, always turns into an utterly pointless back-and-forth debate over scientific theory; nothing is ever accomplished, no progress is ever made.

If you guys would just get organized and get some engineers who actually want to try building stuff, and actually test out some of the technologies that already exist, you would have your proof by now....

Originally posted by cupocoffee

Listen, the inventor who is widely considered to be the contemporary leader in developing Tesla technologies is John Bedini.

If you guys would just get organized and get some engineers who actually want to try building stuff, and actually test out some of the technologies that already exist, you would have your proof by now....

Well i certainly dont have the money to fund such a project. I would think if John Bedini had the know-how, you would be able to direct me to his free energy device online.