Iran explosion at Tehran military base

reply to post by hmdphantom


Energy resources, money, greed is usually the top 3 reasons to attack a nation no?

Originally posted by Vozda

Originally posted by Kemal
reply to post by Vozda

 

I think it's the PJAK (Kurdish terrorists, supported by Israel and the West).

Edit: Then again it could just have been an accident.

edit on 12-11-2011 by Kemal because: (no reason given)

Yea maybe its some kind of Terrorist group, but we know that NATO and US have been using Terrorist groups to launch an attack on countries,

in Serbian Southern part Kosovo and Metohija they used OVK ( KLA) and now using ANA

in Libya they used "rebells"

Bosnia they with Alija welcomed Mudjahedins.

But we have to see what will happend but this is just no good sign .. Lets just "hope" it was an accident if not .. this will be a looong "winter"

Wait, even ATS favorite Bob Baer wrote about counter-acting hezbollah in Bosnia. How could the US be monitoring and spying on them and afraid of them if NATO was using them?

if wars had to be fought by the men who started them there would never be another one. I'm so fed up with soldiers and civilians of all nations being killed for the ideas of a small group of men who won't even risk walking across the street without an entourage of bodyguards. Will the madness ever stop?

Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
reply to post by hmdphantom

 

Energy resources, money, greed is usually the top 3 reasons to attack a nation no?

Some time trails of racism is visible on the path , too.

The people who don't bleed red.

The people who bleed gold tend to kill the people who bleed red.

reply to post by megabogie


It depends on us. The ordinary people. the 99% who always have followed the 1 %.

We should reject NWO.

Western sheeple are fooled/manipulated by their governments. They think they are safe an rich in the West and their governments are their for them, that they are the good guys.... We will see about that when you guys becoming more poor and start rioting. Let's see if your police states will let you demonstrate...

The people in the middleeast are screwed from the start, the majority is uneducated and poor. They are easily manipulated by their governments who use religion.

Originally posted by wopa82
Western sheeple are fooled/manipulated by their governments. They think they are safe an rich in the West and their governments are their for them, that they are the good guys.... We will see about that when you guys becoming more poor and start rioting. Let's see if your police states will let you demonstrate...

Demonstrate - Absolutely
Riot - Absolutely not

How many homicide bombers are on the news in the West?
How many people in the west are killed because of religious law?
How many people in the west are killed / arrested for being critical of religions / governments / leaders?

Originally posted by wopa82
The people in the middleeast are screwed from the start, the majority is uneducated and poor. They are easily manipulated by their governments who use religion.

As well as fear coupled with reprisals against family members. The people in the Middle East should be allowed to change their governments to what they want, and the West should support those goals.

As an example we can look at Venezuela. For all intents and purposes it was a Democratic style country. When Chavez was voted in to office, changes were made and the people voted on and approved a lot of changes. What we see their today is not completely a democratic society. In addition the ability for independant press, being critical of the government etc has also come to an end.

Since the people voted him in, there really is not much anyone can do to change the outcome.

Originally posted by wopa82
Western sheeple are fooled/manipulated by their governments. They think they are safe an rich in the West and their governments are their for them, that they are the good guys.... We will see about that when you guys becoming more poor and start rioting. Let's see if your police states will let you demonstrate...

The people in the middleeast are screwed from the start, the majority is uneducated and poor. They are easily manipulated by their governments who use religion.

edit on 13-11-2011 by wopa82 because: (no reason given)

edit on 13-11-2011 by wopa82 because: (no reason given)

WOW I guess everybody east west is dumber than hell or just stupid and you even throw in the referring people to animals....you might, at times like these, not to panic in your mind. Get a grip would ya. Everybody at the end of the day just wants to bring home a chicken and put their feet up................


Now about the thread, one of the sites says it could be that the explosion happened because of a misshap loading the warheads on the missiles....if this is the case it could be only days before someone else panics and looses their cool head and pushes the red button

Originally posted by RP2SticksOfDynamite

Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi

Originally posted by RP2SticksOfDynamite

Originally posted by hmdphantom

Originally posted by megabogie
reply to post by hmdphantom

 

Why don't you tell us then what it is like? I'm trying to understand the mind set of the average Iranian.

Be sure that I am no average Iranian . SO , I don't know what to tell about them.

I just see a bunch of people behind their computers while having chips , claiming there will be blood.

I suggest you do more research for yourself .

There was an explosion and some families lost their dear ones.

It is not a fight to bet your money on.

There was an accident and there is no time for joke.

It may have been an accident. But how sure are you of that?.................Do you trust your rechime? Surely not after its history of treatment of its own people!

Yeah, because the current regime is much more untrustworthy than the last mass-murdering, US-backed Iranian regime

Where do you people get your perceptions of foreign cultures from?

Are you serious!!! You trust your current rechime and you dont thing they would lie to you?

You are oppressed, you have no rights to criticise the system. the media is totally rechime controlled.

And what about the recent demonstrations? And the rechime's brutal crackdown on dissenchanted Iranians who are not anti west!

What ARE you talking about? First off I am not Iranian. Is this shocking to you to know that there are fellow Westerners who are not screaming for war?

Secondly, are you talking about the ONGOING demostrations involving millions of protestors all over the US and other NATO countries? It's called the Occupy movement and its focused on the very same plutocratic elite that suck the people's resources up just to put them into military budgets instead of back to the people.

Stupid @ss Iranians!!!! They cant even move conventional ordinance around without blowing themselves up.

Originally posted by princeofpeace
Stupid @ss Iranians!!!! They cant even move conventional ordinance around without blowing themselves up.

Didn't you already say this before? Do you have to type everything you think?

I must say, it certainly doesn't legitimize your cause by saying disgraceful things like that.

Yeah i type everything i think just like the rest of the folks on this site!!! (Plus what i said was worth repeating....a thousand times!)

Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi

Originally posted by princeofpeace
Stupid @ss Iranians!!!! They cant even move conventional ordinance around without blowing themselves up.

Didn't you already say this before? Do you have to type everything you think?

I must say, it certainly doesn't legitimize your cause by saying disgraceful things like that.

Originally posted by princeofpeace
Stupid @ss Iranians!!!! They cant even move conventional ordinance around without blowing themselves up.

Oh so true. and they think they can fast track their Nuke ability and play Gangsta with N. Korea and the like. Iran has had so much trouble with this Path One has to wonder where the grey matter really lies

To all the people busy stereotyping Iranians based on their government, just remember not long ago there were protests by the younger generation which were brutally suppressed. Sound familiar? Looks like Iranians got in a bit early with the 'Arab Spring', but they may still have another go. I just wonder if when they do, people here will claim it was a NWO fix and that Ahmadinejad wasn't such a bad sort after all.

reply to post by FlyingSpaghettiMonster


Good point. People bring what they think is good for them to themselves.

Many people in Iran realized that every thing true and there was no deception.

But there are people busy manipulated by western media.

I wonder how stupid they are. They think that US and UK are blessing them with NEWS networks in Persian language.

So , yet in Iran live people who think that they are blessed by US.

Some my friends think that govt is oppressing people. But I have asked them several times to come to ATS to see what is going on around the world. They just refuse . Believe me they are none-denying ignorance people.

reply to post by Vozda

Fake massacres in Kosovo??? Are u delusional??? The whole world knows wat serbs did in Kosovo, all the raping and killing of the innocents civilians. Srebrenica was fake too?, or was it staged by bosnians so NATO could intervene??? Wake up kid, ur not confusing anyone here, the truth does hurt doesnt it...

Originally posted by MastaKilla
reply to post by Vozda

 

Fake massacres in Kosovo??? Are u delusional??? The whole world knows wat serbs did in Kosovo, all the raping and killing of the innocents civilians. Srebrenica was fake too?, or was it staged by bosnians so NATO could intervene??? Wake up kid, ur not confusing anyone here, the truth does hurt doesnt it...

Račak massacre

This "massacre" was fabricated by the KLA in order to justify NATO intervention. The Serbs left this town at night and came back the next day to find these bodies littering the streets. They claim the bodies were dead KLA, and the KLA planted them there overnight (and even changed them into civilian clothes). UN observers were also alongside Serbian forces and they didn't see this so called massacre.

Srebrenica-Related Graves Through 2002

Check out this article to find out how the body count at Srebrenica was fabricated to count more than was originally estimated. Article even points out that it's impossible to tell if they were civilians or fighters after the fact.

The Serbs did carry out some acts of genocide, but you can be damn sure that it was overexaggerated to justify NATO intervention. In fact, early on in those civil wars NATO was all buddy buddy with the Serbs because they were simply looking for the right side to back and the right side to demonize in order to make their case for intervention.

I'll throw this one into the Melting Pot.

I suspect that the people who have caused the explosion is Syria. Hear me out:

- They have huge domestic troubles with the Arab League publicly rebuking them, and opening a door to Western (and Arab) military aid for the rebels. Al Jazeera are also reporting that there are soldiers who have defected to the rebels.

- So Bashar Assad could be stirring up the war between Iran & Israel to deflect the attention away from the domestic front

Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi

Originally posted by MastaKilla
reply to post by Vozda

 

Fake massacres in Kosovo??? Are u delusional??? The whole world knows wat serbs did in Kosovo, all the raping and killing of the innocents civilians. Srebrenica was fake too?, or was it staged by bosnians so NATO could intervene??? Wake up kid, ur not confusing anyone here, the truth does hurt doesnt it...

Račak massacre

This "massacre" was fabricated by the KLA in order to justify NATO intervention. The Serbs left this town at night and came back the next day to find these bodies littering the streets. They claim the bodies were dead KLA, and the KLA planted them there overnight (and even changed them into civilian clothes). UN observers were also alongside Serbian forces and they didn't see this so called massacre.

Srebrenica-Related Graves Through 2002

This is pure disinfo. You think with a wikipedia link (moderated by serbs) you can dismiss the truth? I was in Racak my self as I was in other hundreds of villages and little towns and I saw with my own eyes what serbs did. I was part of a international observers group. Those images are going to hunt me for the rest of my life. Was a pure ethnic cleansing and the most gruesome view a normal man can see and handle for that mater. Stop backing up war crimes and criminals. Maybe 1 million albanian kicked out of their country were all KLA who were trying to justify NATO intervention? From your last name I can tell you're either armenian or georgian. (I might be wrong thou), so let the story be told from people who were victims of that violence and those crimes. I interviewed more then 8000 people back then and from all the areas where horrible crimes were committed. Including what I saw with my own eyes, pics, footages and eye witness accounts, the truth was as horrible as it was simple. Just a massacre in the name of a idea of Big Serbia, just a sick desire to swallow lands that were never part of Serbia. Enough with this bs. Besides, the thread is about Iran. I don't intend to reply anymore about KLA or Sebrenica or... I just wanted to make a point. Live the dead where they are. Don't disturb their bones and memories. What happened, happened for a reason: So humanity can learn not to repeat the same mistakes and commit such atrocities in the name of sick ideas and crazy dreams. In the moment you talk about thousands of lost lives like they were nothing then you've lost your humanity and don't deserve to be treated as equal in a conversation. Makes me sick to my stomach. Shame to all of you who support mass murderers, psychopaths and liders like Milosevic who are the scum of this planet.

reply to post by Telos


I only provided the wikipedia link because that seems to be the capacity of effort that most people around here will take in looking into facts.

I got my Racak facts from a book called "The Politics of Genocide", fully referenced. When I cite books on ATS, I usually get chastised for "not providing sources"

PS do you really think I use my real name on ATS? It's a made up name. I am neither Armenian or Georgian; Canadian actually, as it states under my name