Iran Sought Miniaturized Nuclear-Weapon Design to Fit Missiles, IAEA Says

Originally posted by galadofwarthethird
reply to post by neo96

 

I am for most country's having nuclear weapons, or at least ways of defending themselves. And Iran seems to be in the middle of it, you best believe they got eye's set on them.

One thing is for sure countries with nuclear weapons and ways of fighting back don't get invaded.

Plus it would make sure that if they actually are stupid enough to go to war, then I would prefer that they blow themselves up to kingdom come, and all go extinct. That way there will be less idiots around for the world and regular people to deal with.

So ya off-course Iran is trying and is in the process of nuclear weaponization...They and any other sovereign country out there would be stupid not to try to do that. It's a jungle out there, and the ones without a defense or a way of keeping predators at bay get eaten. Some predators come with swords and drums, and some come with presents and friendship, but all have different means to the same ends.

I think america better quit playing these games, and funding those who play these games, keep to your own house ways and means...And if any country, entity, and whoever or whatever they are, if they start #...Well then it's time to end #, and send them all into the next dimension....Till then it's just a circle jerk that only benefits a few.

Not only are you all outsourcing your job's, but your ways and means and weapon systems as well. Sorry america but this time around you all just cant afford to play that game.....And others know it, and so have there eyes set on you.

Yes, then Iran can invade her neighbors (like Bahrain) and be assured there will not be much retaliation once they threaten to attack with nukes. Genius.

Originally posted by projectvxn
reply to post by Corruption Exposed

 

Iran can say that it hasn't attacked any nations recently. Can Israel say that?

Really?

And OH REALLY?

What does any of that have to do with Iran attacking Iraq? Iran was attacking Kurds who cross the Iran border to conduct terrorism in Iran and then retreat back into Iraq. Turkey, a NATO country, does the exact same thing.

By the way, CIA supports anti-Iranian groups in Iraq and encourages them to conduct cross-border attacks in Iran for provocation. You can claim Iran has "attacked" Iraq but I won't believe that nonsense until I see evidence that Iran has attacked Iraqi forces, government structure or civilian infrastructure. Pulling the Kurd card doesn't mean much to me since the Kurds fight for autonomy and in their perception their territory includes land in at least Turkey, Iraq and Iran. They aren't some innocent bystanders.

Seems rather interesting that media coverage Iran crossing into Iraq to attack Kurds is swept under the carpet, eh? It's because it is no big secret that the US backs such groups if they want to engage in proxy terrorism on the US's behalf.

PS: The OP is a joke. You can stick a nuclear warhead on any ballistic missile these days, even on cruise missiles. This isn't new but certainly "politicized" information, as the Russians say

Originally posted by ngchunter
It's amazing to me just how many people support Iran getting the bomb. It puts the lie to the old argument that we shouldn't do anything about Iran's nuclear program because surely it's for peaceful purposes only and they only want it for energy... That argument never even mattered to those who used it, it was just intellectual dishonesty to avoid admitting that you support Iran getting the bomb. It frankly makes me sick. I know I'm going to get

for this comment, but quite I've frankly had it and I'm going to speak my mind whatever the cost.

Since the Iran supporters have already shown me their willingness to put forth a position they don't actually believe simply in order to appear as "moderate" as possible, let me just ask anyone who wants to flame me this question. I want to hear you give your answer on record about the next debate position once Iran is allowed to have the bomb... does it even matter to you if they use it on Israel? I don't care to hear that you don't think they would because of the collateral, just speaking hypothetically if they did, if Israel were wiped off the face of the earth by Iran in a surprise attack, would it matter to you?

Pretty much anything that hurts Israel/US you will see them cheer for. I am in shock sometimes at how limited their thinking becomes from their blind hatred.

Originally posted by OccamsRazor04
Yes, then Iran can invade her neighbors (like Bahrain) and be assured there will not be much retaliation once they threaten to attack with nukes. Genius.

I doubt that Iran would have to invade Bahrain unless they invoked the Responsibility to Protect doctrine to protect future civilians there from Saudi crackdowns (they did, after all, attempt a revolution during Arab Spring but was crushed because they were not part of the plan, especially since Bahrain houses the American 5th Fleet).

Just because someone said it does not make it true. I do not believe Russia had a snowballs chance in hell of beating the US in a war, and they went bankrupt trying to keep up. In fact the US greatly overestimated the USSR's capabilities, when the government collapsed it was truly eye opening how far behind they were.

Is it?

Originally posted by TechniXcality
I also find this really annoying, this hate for America's military might. You seem to forget all about the Twin tower's first bombings, the uss cole, the black hawks shot down, the list goes on and on. The point is there was a almost twenty year period of America blood being spilled before a precise and direct response to these insane terrorist. You see "they", the terrorist, seem to be under the impression that if they can just hold America, and it's allys in a long drawn out war, by hiding in civilian cloth's that they are going to beat us. They
seem to think this is some cold war scenario as romantic as that sounds. America dosent play, you see when you kill our people with a bomb, we have 100 laser guided missile's that can blow one mans a** to kingdom come, while dude in the next house is chillen drinking a beer. They think they can economically drain us, HA These fools dont realize America profits off of war. Always has, always will. I know, i know some of you are going to cry about that last statment, but come on if your an Iraqi you must hate terroist for bringing this shame to your countrie. Im done ranting

Shall I begin listing every unjust atrocity America has been involved in directly or indirectly... Are you willing to read a couple of pages of content?

You are actually the reason nobody likes America. This isn't the wild west, redneck

Originally posted by BurningSpearess
reply to post by lifeissacred

 

I agree. We do not have any business Unless they directly make threats to the US homeland

However, here is what their neighbors who do have business/interest/keen knowledge about them are saying:

Saudi crown prince rules out compromise with Iran

MECCA (AFP) - Saudi Crown Prince Nayef Ben Abdul Aziz on Tuesday ruled out any compromise with Iran over allegations of Iranian involvement in a plot to murder the Saudi ambassador to Washington.

“There can be no compromise with Iran concerning the assassination bid because there is no need for it,” the crown prince, who also holds the interior ministry portfolio, told a news conference in Mecca.

“We are ready to deal with any scenario... with any means necessary,” he added without further details during an inspection tour of preparations for the annual Muslim pilgrimage to Mecca, Islam’s holiest site.

Iran wants Bahrain as its ‘crown jewel’ - minister

CAIRO (AFP) - Bahrain's foreign minister on Tuesday accused Iran of eyeing the Gulf monarchy as "the crown jewel" in a campaign to penetrate the Gulf, and called for Arab support in confronting Tehran, according to official Egyptian media.

"Iran always looks at Bahrain as the crown jewel," Khalifa was quoted as saying by the official Egyptian news agency MENA, adding it is the entry point into the Gulf.

"Gulf countries should not have to stand alone facing Iran, [other] Arab countries must be responsible, and Arab publics must pay attention to Iran's dangers, which come under a thousand guises. The threat is grave," he said.

www.jordantimes.com...

edit on 9-11-2011 by BurningSpearess because: (no reason given)

Lets remember that it's actual neighbours(ie citizens on the ground) love and support Iran.

The leaders in nations that surround Iran who oppose Iran are acting against the will of their own people.

Of course you won't hear about that in the MSM though

Originally posted by JohhnyBGood
The people who run Iran are.........................CLERICS..................................they are not politicians, they are extreme religious fundamentalists of the worst stripe of a very wacky sect known as the 12'vers.

It is totally pointless discussing what Iran might or might not do unless you recognise that 12'ver doctrine is front and centre of their thinking!

The people who run America are extreme fundamentalist Christians of the worst kind. What's your point?

Simply repeating that these people are "12'vers" is not an argument

Originally posted by ngchunter

Originally posted by ipleadthe5th
reply to post by ngchunter

 

I don't care to hear that you don't think they would because of the collateral, just speaking hypothetically if they did, if Israel were wiped off the face of the earth by Iran in a surprise attack, would it matter to you?

Pure trolling and irrelevant to the debate at hand..

There's more chance of Israel doing the attacking..
Care to comment on that instead??

There's more chance of Iran doing the attacking with nukes, there, two can play that game. Now answer my question. It's a question, not trolling.

2 can't play at that game because you're wrong and he isn't.

Your question is farcical as you know the answer is no.

reply to post by neo96


They should be allowed to have a bomb. Irans president has been poorly translated many many times. A lot of the time regarding comments about Israel.

I'd like them to get a couple to shut the western world and bankers up. Unfortunately it won't and they'll attack anyway because they do not care about people and if Iran let one or two off then it would only serve the purposes of the Elite.

I'd prefer it if those darn aliens came back and dismantled the worlds arsenal. Not just a few in the US.

Originally posted by Fractured.Facade

Originally posted by Suffi

I ain't no expert on nukes but droppin a nuke on Israel (god forbid) it's like taking a sledge hammer to crack a nut?? Who is that stupid?? If the Iranians wanted to attack Israel they would have done so under the pre-emptive attack judgement.

The religious leaders in Iran would never authorize a "preemptive" attack on Israel.

Israel and/or the USA must deliver the first blow, then they will have the Ayatollahs authorization, along with religious justification to retaliate.

Their plans are strictly to retaliate... And retaliation will NOT be the way "military" strategists are assuming.

IMO

Interesting that this could happen, that Iran would only pose a threat if they are attacked. Thank you.

Originally posted by ngchunter

Originally posted by ipleadthe5th
reply to post by ngchunter

 

I don't care to hear that you don't think they would because of the collateral, just speaking hypothetically if they did, if Israel were wiped off the face of the earth by Iran in a surprise attack, would it matter to you?

Pure trolling and irrelevant to the debate at hand..

There's more chance of Israel doing the attacking..
Care to comment on that instead??

There's more chance of Iran doing the attacking with nukes, there, two can play that game. Now answer my question. It's a question, not trolling.

It's actually a stupid hypothetical question based on zero facts..
Israel has done all the threatening, FACT..
Israel has nukes. FACT..

But to answer your question, yes it would matter to me..
Personally I believe many leaders of many countries deserve to be nuked but NOT their citizens.
It is always the innocent civilians that suffer in these useless wars while the leaders hide out in other countries or bunkers, sipping champagne and laughing while bombs fall and counting their profits from future shady deals once the dust settles...

reply to post by Corruption Exposed


So Iraq was just a wrestling match?? Why do people seem to have selective memory loss....
Let me guess Israel only engages in offensives not defending themselves? Ahhhh the end is near... WW3 here we come!!!! Some people are so absolutely blinded by their own opinions its ridiculous!!!

reply to post by ipleadthe5th


"Israel has Nukes - FACT" Really? You and I have two totally different definitions of the word Fact. Does it surprise me what your criteria for fact is? Nope! Not one bit... Pretty typical.

Saddam Hussein went around telling everyone he had nukes, to detour or scare Iran. He was believable enough to make the US govt. think he really had them. FACT!!!

During interrogation Saddam admitted that he was lying to make Iraq seem like a worthy opponent.....

Israel (cough) Zionists lie right? Their deceitful right? hmmmmm Most people on this site loath Israel... They say they lie about everything...no? Yet, when they drop hints to possibly having nukes, you buy that hook line and sinker?

That's funny!!! If hypocrites were airplanes this place would be JFK airport!!! Believe what you want when it fits your opinion or theory, should be the motto around here.

Israel does enough wrong in the world, for people to fabricate or assume things. Do I think they have Nukes?? hmmm, I think they might.... BUT, was I made to believe they do??? Did I fall for the propaganda? I dont know, but I do know their existance is NOT a fact.. Period!!!!

reply to post by AlertInMi

Israel does enough wrong in the world, for people to fabricate or assume things. Do I think they have Nukes?? hmmm, I think they might.... BUT, was I made to believe they do??? Did I fall for the propaganda? I dont know, but I do know their existance is NOT a fact.. Period!!!!

Are you serious???
Do Israel have nukes is like asking if the Pope is Catholic..

reply to post by AlertInMi


If Israel doesn't have nukes, then why do they field their homemade Jericho series of nuclear missiles? Why do they have a submarine designed to carry nuclear SLBMs?

reply to post by neo96


I suppose Isreal and the USA should be sacntioned to for colluding to build a bomb to protect Isreal.

Why is it when your country takes defensive actions its ok but if another country you dislike decides to be defensive you call for sanctions?

What's good for the goose is good for the gander, perhaps the USA and Isreal should get rid of their nukes as an example to the Iranians. We know that won't happen, you can't police the world without the ability to threaten it's security right?

As for Isreal having Nukes, it's a proven fact that they do. No one can prove Iran does though. If you couldn't prove Isreal does you can prove they may be building one with their reactors and with help from their Allies who do have the bomb. Where are their sanctions?

Originally posted by NadaCambia

Originally posted by ngchunter

Originally posted by ipleadthe5th
reply to post by ngchunter

 

I don't care to hear that you don't think they would because of the collateral, just speaking hypothetically if they did, if Israel were wiped off the face of the earth by Iran in a surprise attack, would it matter to you?

Pure trolling and irrelevant to the debate at hand..

There's more chance of Israel doing the attacking..
Care to comment on that instead??

There's more chance of Iran doing the attacking with nukes, there, two can play that game. Now answer my question. It's a question, not trolling.

2 can't play at that game because you're wrong and he isn't.

You're stating opinion as fact, as did he, so you're both wrong. I'm making fun of that fact.

Your question is farcical as you know the answer is no.

No, the question is dead serious, and no, I don't know what others honestly believe which is why I'm asking. I've already seen how dishonest the other side has been about their true beliefs.

Originally posted by Corruption Exposed
reply to post by neo96

 

Russia seems to know this is all lies.In Bloomberg nonetheless.

UN’s Iran Report May Contain ‘Political Dishonesty,’ Russia Says

As others have stated, you'd have to dig up something from someone other than Russia or China to have any credibility on the Iranian issue.

Here's what I find most laughable about the article:

"Lavrov said a Russian offer to resolve the dispute by lifting sanctions in stages in return for Iranian cooperation on inspections was “still on the negotiating table,” adding that he hoped “no actions will be taken that could destroy these chances.”

But Ahmadinejad isn't about cooperation. His battle cry is "RESISTANCE"!

And when you support resistance by means of Hamas or Hezbollah, you end up with this!!!

www.memri.org...

Remember, Ahmadinejad was all against TALKS to negotiate peace between Israel and the Palestinians. He says resistance is the ONLY way!

Originally posted by OccamsRazor04

Yes, Iran constantly denies the holocaust and calls for the destruction of Israel almost daily, yet Israel is the one to blame. Sickening.

Kind of ironic, isn't it? That Ahmadinejad denies the Holocaust, considering that Ahmadinejad is...........a JEW!

www.telegraph.co.uk...

Originally posted by LightAssassin
reply to post by neo96

 

They should be allowed to have a bomb. Irans president has been poorly translated many many times. A lot of the time regarding comments about Israel.

I'd like them to get a couple to shut the western world and bankers up. Unfortunately it won't and they'll attack anyway because they do not care about people and if Iran let one or two off then it would only serve the purposes of the Elite.

I'd prefer it if those darn aliens came back and dismantled the worlds arsenal. Not just a few in the US.

Poor Ahmadinejad....he was misquoted

Mawt Li Israel = Death to Israel

how many times do we have to go through this bull corn ?