Is God Satan? Could everything we know about the Abrahamic faiths be backwards?

Wouldn't the more appropriate question, rather then God being Satan, would be is that is God, Satans God? Does Satan refer to God as God, or Lord, instead of talking to himself like Gollum, cursing God as a thunderer like Dante comedy!?

originally posted by: Specimen
Wouldn't the more appropriate question, rather then God being Satan, would be is that is God, Satans God? Does Satan refer to God as God, or Lord, instead of talking to himself like Gollum, cursing God as a thunderer like Dante comedy!?

God = God
Satan = Satan

The theory of occultism is the same as any scientific theory, you have to think about symbolic factors to gain and propose the theory.

I know myself as a spiritual humanbeing that my parents, adults as light spirits manifested out of origin light and became organic...I knew God never created my life.

I therefore reviewed the occultism itself to gain information about ancient scientific occultist theory.

God states to have created Satan...Satan is the fallen angel in Heaven...Heaven the Earth atmosphere.

God therefore does not fall out...but God itself also does not exist.

The reason God does not exist as this theory is because it is occultism itself...an applied science and is not a natural atmospheric function...for the atmosphere is a mass body, not a circular body.

Our ancient brother formed the theory for science....the circle.

O the circle was his own advised reasoning about GOD.

For the concept of God relates to LETTERS with NUMERICAL values.

G therefore has a value
O has a value
D has a value.

D = 500
2 of D = 1000
CHRIST and SATAN both concepts of 1000

Therefore it is not very difficult to realize that this occultist review is an actual theory, that involved an application for alchemized reactions...about the nuclear of stone, for it related to the condition called Sun Time.

G is therefore a realization of how light moves in swirling rotating motion to form the fall out of light sound from O pi.

G moves as a swirling action and then forms a O circle.

The O circle then by forming process splits into 2 = D and D

O a circle split into 2 = PHI...the conditions for the nuclear falling angelic interaction.

Angels exist in clouds....the scientific spiritual review regarded cloud formation information...hydrogen and water.

Hydrogen stated to be the dragon
Water stated to be the CHRIST...HOLY OX 1000.

Is it too difficult for your to realize that it was a complete theory, that had to think about symbolic references...as science.

You first create the thought forms about the symbols and what they mean....to then apply the science...converting of SION.

a reply to: beenharmed

Ok...So anything not Involving Jesus, is Occult, and the O in God has zero value, and never created you, except for your parent, booze and sex made you.

What do you think of the third eye?

originally posted by: Specimen
a reply to: beenharmed

Ok...So anything not Involving Jesus, is Occult, and the O in God has zero value, and never created you, except for your parent, booze and sex made you.

What do you think of the third eye?

Jesus is an occult review...the occult attacked the human Christ spirit and murdered it....and called it Jesus.

Since when is a letter a number? Do you even know what you are inferring?

The atmospheric mass is a mass....with no clouds.

Our ancient brother realized from cloud formation how to use a scientific application called conversion.

Atmospheric mass is not 0 zero...it is a mass.

Even 0 zero is not zero....for the space body, not a number but a name is called space for it is emptied...yet full of the energy that it created....not as space but as a preceding higher body...light.

You cannot make space become a lower body...what then would it represent...get real!!

a reply to: beenharmed

It looks like a zero to me.

a reply to: Deflagration

But really if you acknowledge the possibility that there is no God, then you realize that your life is finite. And you actually have to do something YOURSELF to get somewhere in this life.......

Save yourself from what in this life?

originally posted by: auto3000
a reply to: Deflagration

But really if you acknowledge the possibility that there is no God, then you realize that your life is finite. And you actually have to do something YOURSELF to get somewhere in this life.......

Save yourself from what in this life?

To save ourselves from scientists...the Satanic God reviewists themselves.

You have to ask yourself where did science as a human concept come from...and spirit information gives you the advice.

Is GOD the Creator of SATAN, and the information of PHI demonstrates that it is...for GOD is a concept and a PHI lo SOPHY, the philosophy of the stone.

The stone by review had imprinted O CIRCULAR and PHI patterned stamps in it.

Alchemy is considered by occultist review to be SATAN...the burnt light chemical reactions.

GOD is therefore described as being an occultist consideration for the forming of the Satanic spirits....chemicals or alchemy.

O the condition reviewed as being the concept of GOD...for when you study philosophy this precept is the actual consideration of light swirling/moving/falling into conditions of sound O bodies and patterns.

The LETTERS an English occult version of numerical values aligned to the LETTER.

LETTERS are angles when you review their status, given numerical values as a O circular consideration...PHI.

SATAN by review is considered in occultism as being an ANGLE....an actual TAN equation...for the secret of philosophy is the discussion of Science.

Science is discussed and always has been discussed in secret symbolic evaluated meanings, so that the human beings who consider occultism evil could not argue. This has been a tradition of scientific practices...for science is occultism.

GOD therefore by philosophical wisdom created SATAN...and SATAN is the natural spirit that falls in the Heavenly body surrounding Earth.

This body is called our atmosphere.

What happens naturally in our atmosphere?

Clouds form and cloud formations produce images....and many angelic images have been photographed. This is natural as an atmospheric natural reaction.

GOD therefore naturally exists as a philosophical review.

Human being occultists want the power of GOD for their own inventions and alter the natural conditions of our holy atmosphere....UFO bodies then begin to form in the clouds and the cloud creation starts to fall out. We called the fall out angel hair...others say a chemical reaction has been felt as liquid...or others say acid rain.

This situation was therefore introduced to our atmosphere....the falling out of our natural atmospheric owned holy creation.

Human beings therefore tried to own Satan and God and then changed the natural CONSTANT and sealed chemical/alchemical reactions in stone and also the atmospheric condition.

Hence unnatural spirit presences then manifested. Spirit can only be conjured for human beings are the owners of the natural spiritual presence on Earth as the higher intelligence.

Scientists proposed that they could manifest spirit themselves and own a plasma body for science. They believed that if they knew both reactions of GOD and SATAN that they could manifest plasma out of our atmosphere for they believe as occultists that Satan is our Creator and that the fallen angelic beings manifested into human organic life.

This is their own evil belief.

We are not clouds.

Our human spirit knows that it manifested into the atmosphere from the other side of space...origin light.

We know that the space body refilled with gases...and the refilling of space placed Earth's atmosphere back into connection with origin light....where the real androgynous spiritual beings exist.

Human beings who have had their own personal spiritual experience therefore began to disbelieve in the occultist teachings that the Satanic God (alchemy) created our beings. We know that this is not true, for if it were an evolution of the gases, then oxygen would not exist, and a huge organic self would fill the atmosphere.

This is what occultists propose our spirit belongs to...for they believe that the atmosphere created the organic presence.

Why then scientist of the occult evil review did you believe that God and Satan is alchemy and belongs to the nuclear of stone.....why is it that you have suddenly changed your modern day review of what this ancient occultism discussed?

Greed and dishonesty.

Are you a plasma formed spiritual condition as a human being reviewing incorrect data from a fake/artificial light condition that your modern brain has inherited?

Of course this is the reason for your changed review of God and Satan.

If a human life exists at the very same moment that an Alien spirit manifests or a demonic spirit manifests, then the human life demonstrates that neither spirit belongs to its own natural state.

Human beings own self experience contested the ancient occultist review of God - Satan and Hell as being our Creator....and now your are once again trying to impose this evil spiritual concept upon our natural presence.

I believe in one Good God somewhere hi in heavens.
But it is evident Satan (whatever called ) is in charge here below, and doesn't lose his time to bring us more and more suffering of all kind, including world upheavals. Hitler is just one small episode of all that could be traced to Inquisitors and Crusaders, to Caesars and Bishops who burnt people and books. It is satanic, or is it not?

The sacrificial religion that sees the man's earthly existence as a mere chain of sacrifices of his life, voluntary or not, cannot be farther from the idea of a Good Creator of everything, including of humankind and Earth. God is not so evil as portraied by so many if not all religions. Especially the Abrahamic ones who base their existence on the sacrifice. That reflects in the society. Show me the just society that cares for the poor in any Abrahamic religious country, be it Muslim or fundamental Christian? There is not a such in the entire human history. The purpose was not to give means of living to the poor men and women, in the time the population were much lesser than now. Food and shelter were not a problem. The problems were the people should be made SUFFER all their lives and praise God and Teachers, emperors and bishops instead of living their lives in gladness. Average age of lifespan moved down to some 30y in the Dark Age.

If we sinned so much in our predecessors Adam and Eve, then please tell us what the sin were? Eating fruit, having sex or genetic manipulation that they "agreed"? How is possible Catholic Church Doctors to tell that the Original sin is transmitted with the sexual pleasure in procreation act? Isn't it absurd running against the very existence of human race as such? From here to say that everything including humans is created by Satan is only one step. I do not make it though. I think Satan makes us suffer, but we are still God's children, whatever and whoever the real Good Creator is. Jesus came to tell us things, NEVER promoted in the Canonical Gospels. Still what is being saved in them is enough to make those oppressors pay for the mercilessly millenia long martyred humanity. The day will come soon, when those prophets of Baal will have to answer.

Having said all that, I reach to the conclusion that if the individual goal of the dark lord in charge is to make every individual in history to suffer to maximum before his death, as the only purpose of existence to "get the next life", the collective purpose is to make the humanity suffer to maximum. Does it mean the summary goal is to eliminate the humanity altogether? We can see that plays out in plans of dictators who outnumber the killed people in each era. But there is a problem - if humanity is destroyed once and for all, as in the Flood, then who will suffer anymore for the sinister goals of satan?

I expect a new era when the human personal suffering will be lowered to minimum with new medicines etc. When the societies will live in prosperity without hunger, starvation and exclusion. Will that be the era of the antichrist? So say the Church Doctors! They DO NOT WANT TO HAVE HUMANITY THAT REJOICES LIFE! That was not made dogma though. The door has been left slightly open so the Christian Church (and other religions) to JOIN that coming happy society and continue to manipulate it from inside.

If what their theories say about Jesus Christ is true, then we don't need anymore personal or collective sacrifices - He died once and for all on the Cross! In order to carry our problems, or sins if they prefer to use that outdated word. If that is true, then there should be no problem to proceed towards a society where everyone will have his personal fulfillment and will enjoy healthy and long life. Today we are capable of doing it, thanks to inventions that may have come from other sources different than the lord of this world (satan). Other sources means other lords, other ETs if you will, angels, messengers of the true good God, who finally have come to say, Enough is Enough.

That corresponds to Daniel's prophecy of a mountain falling from heaven/sky/cosmos that finally destroys the statue image of the earthly empires.

Here at the end I will post the link to the latest interview of David Wilcock

I have much to say about his works, both positive and critical. Still, what I hear now is a new kind of ascended David, who quotes Bible almost all the time, who accepts it as true source (although manipulated), and who makes the equation out of there for the purpose of Judaeo-Christian auditory. I cannot but thank him for that. Not that I agree with every his word and conclusion. He might be right or wrong about what others told him, in this case Corey about another ET race. I just don't know, have no insider info to judge on that. What is the point though, there are enough information including the one David gives thru his view, that the world is already on the crossroad to decide for a better future. That crossroad may see bifurcation of timelines (David says what I already said many times here in this forum and elsewhere) in a way part of humanity to have one kind of evolving on or beyond this planet, and another part of humanity to continue with the carnal instincts that ultimately will see the Armagedon scenes from the Bible fulfilled. I could say more than that, and I already did so in a number of threads. It would be good if David reads here (or others) but that is not the purpose. The purpose of this and other posts is to make it informed, posted, the awareness of humanity has risen to the point we are ready to be granted a choice. One seer called it, a second choice after the one given to Adam and Eve. Whatever you may call it, it will give at least to part of humanity to start the real life promised by God for which life it has been originally created. We can see clearly where the other path leads to, including by crises like the latest Iran-Saudi or Shia -Sunni row. It leads to hell on earth even before going to "promised hell for eternity" as they put it, and definitely is not the choice I myself will make. Let those who feel unworthy of the goodness of the Lord, choose the way of mortification and self sacrifice until Armageddon, that is their right after all, they have free will too. But let they leave us with our free will, that is not a subject of decision by Vatican, Mecca, or someone who would speak "in the name of God". Enough of speculation what God wanted to say in this or that changed book. Perhaps the time will come when God will speak DIRECTLY to each and everyone of us, as prophet Joel said, quoted by Peter.

originally posted by: 2012newstart
I believe in one Good God somewhere hi in heavens.
But it is evident Satan (whatever called ) is in charge here below, and doesn't lose his time to bring us more and more suffering of all kind, including world upheavals. Hitler is just one small episode of all that could be traced to Inquisitors and Crusaders, to Caesars and Bishops who burnt people and books. It is satanic, or is it not?

The sacrificial religion that sees the man's earthly existence as a mere chain of sacrifices of his life, voluntary or not, cannot be farther from the idea of a Good Creator of everything, including of humankind and Earth. God is not so evil as portraied by so many if not all religions. Especially the Abrahamic ones who base their existence on the sacrifice. That reflects in the society. Show me the just society that cares for the poor in any Abrahamic religious country, be it Muslim or fundamental Christian? There is not a such in the entire human history. The purpose was not to give means of living to the poor men and women, in the time the population were much lesser than now. Food and shelter were not a problem. The problems were the people should be made SUFFER all their lives and praise God and Teachers, emperors and bishops instead of living their lives in gladness. Average age of lifespan moved down to some 30y in the Dark Age.

If we sinned so much in our predecessors Adam and Eve, then please tell us what the sin were? Eating fruit, having sex or genetic manipulation that they "agreed"? How is possible Catholic Church Doctors to tell that the Original sin is transmitted with the sexual pleasure in procreation act? Isn't it absurd running against the very existence of human race as such? From here to say that everything including humans is created by Satan is only one step. I do not make it though. I think Satan makes us suffer, but we are still God's children, whatever and whoever the real Good Creator is. Jesus came to tell us things, NEVER promoted in the Canonical Gospels. Still what is being saved in them is enough to make those oppressors pay for the mercilessly millenia long martyred humanity. The day will come soon, when those prophets of Baal will have to answer.

Why is it that the Catholic ancient brother's realization about sexual intercourse was to not have intercourse?

The spiritual channeled information is always given by the effects of a changed atmospheric body....why the ancients knew about evil spirits....for evil has to be made manifest. The only way that evil is made manifest is through the process of converting the higher light condition of the Heavenly body surrounding Earth....nuclear stone techniques therefore caused the conversion and fallout.

The ancients applied levitation of stone above that of natural nuclear crystal stone fusion...which is why they knew about evil spirits....Christ bloodline changes and unnatural bleeding from the skin...along with a changed chemical mind that began to "babble" and make spiritual readings and prophecies of PHI related visions. SION being the holy condition of CHRIST that was changed by evil...possessing SION...possession.

This is why VI (6) as the Latin review of SION vision, is given to evil 666, where the beast or Satanic mind/brain attack was known to be given to the psychic mind....a real observation by spiritual ancient psychics. The observations related to a real atmospheric condition....fall out caused by the use and applications of occult science.

When human life is spiritually attacked, a new spiritual review is considered....one of the considerations of those attacked was what meaning life actually held as a personal consideration....why were human beings evolving and then becoming more evil by intent? Why wasn't the human male consciousness becoming more loving as the atmospheric heavenly body healed?

Hence the spiritual observation was that personal life procreation was the real evil relating to the human condition. If the first manifested spiritual parents did not have sexual intercourse, then no future human being would have existed on Earth to recause the ancient origin mistake....conversion and science.

The human male therefore realized that he was his own problem on Planet Earth, for his own spiritual journey told him about his inherited belief that he is a creator and can create.....whereas his spiritual history attested that he was the destroyer of light and natural spirit.

This was a self realized proclamation.

If you follow spiritual witness....the human beings who proposed that sexual intercourse should only happen in holy times of the Year, knew about radiation and cellular mutation and changed human spirits. So they tried to impose a personal life condition to gain the best spiritual human being possible....yet eventually the amount of increased atmospheric radiation began to make human life mutated....the human spirit evil minded by chemical changes and the science to become more evil by intent.

If you ask how did we get here on Earth, and what is the spiritual circumstance....we do belong to a real history and story regarding origin creation itself. Belief is only a self taught concept from religious science, and spirit as a natural stated observation has always had its own truth.....belief from experience, not from imposed teachings.

God is therefore not Satan...for the concept of satan is the TAN equations and the letters S and A have values implied by the ancient science itself.

GOD is a concept when you study philosophical meaning, and the concept regards the movement of light in a circle...creating. This is the personal male consideration of what a Creator aspect achieves as light movement. Quite obvious if you cared to look at the information regarding the subject itself....creation.

a reply to: starsyren

Keep going, i did the same thing as i always felt Religion was 'off' and felt something was seriously wrong with all of it. I didn't grow up with it thankfully but researching all Religions led me to what i understand now and what this hole truly is.

s/f

a reply to: christina-66

Thnx for the Link. But, if i may.. let me add however deep the knowledge of Gnosis is, there is something i've found to be much deeper. In my link below. The video i haven't added as i've made threads before to no avail however it's up to each of us to find that path.

I want to add this, the Egregore. Interesting topic i have to say. They're very good at subliminal suggestion.

originally posted by: Northwarden

Originally posted by Deflagration
reply to post by CherubBaby

 

If you're always turning to God to save you, how can you ever save yourself?

On the off chance there is no God.

Who among you fears the LORD
and obeys the word of his servant?
Let the one who walks in the dark,
who has no light,
trust in the name of the LORD
and rely on their God.
But now, all you who light fires
and provide yourselves with flaming torches,
go, walk in the light of your fires
and of the torches you have set ablaze.
This is what you shall receive from my hand:
You will lie down in torment.

Isaiah 50:10-11

(Isaiah 51 carries on with a kinder message). To be "God-reliant" is far from being helpless, or not using your ability to live capably through this life. What you're not seeing is the background study that leads to good understandings, patience, tolerance, and all other virtue which develops - part of the reliance is an understanding about how God wishes us to live. The other is direct, to those who do endevour to lead a decent and faithful life, they may approach more closely, rely on prayers for help, and walk "with" God because they are attempting to promote a harmony and symbiosis in their lives between created, and our Creator.

Religion removes the part of the brain that is responsible for utmost survival.

Religion calms the idea that "Oh no I'm gonna die! Wait it's okay, something good will happen to me if I follow religion that SOMEONE (yes the bible was written by human beings) set out"

But really if you acknowledge the possibility that there is no God, then you realize that your life is finite. And you actually have to do something YOURSELF to get somewhere in this life.

You really wish we Christians and people of faith were that pathetic, don't you? Many of the most capable, caring, generous, well-rounded, virtuous, uplifting and successful people I know also have a strong working religion in their lives. Many are Christians. On the other hand, some of the most arrogant, mocking, violent, and problem-filled people I've had the displeasure (at times) of knowing scoff at religion, and it's they who are often the most needy: more than willing to squelch from others, "boost" stuff from stores, not repay debts, and burden friends and neighbours. Say what you want, but deeds and behaviour speak louder than your words here, and the tree will be known by it's fruit.

Well that's funny, since most of the avid christian church goers found the "lord" after a life of crime. :Rolls eyes:: I scoff at religion daily and I'm doing just fine. I also give my brothers a hand up at every turn, something I don't need a false faith to empower me to do.

You can absolutely choose to be a good person on YOUR OWN. You don't need a scripture -- those who do are indoctrinated from childhood or turn to it after becoming an alcoholic or a drug addict. Isn't it funny how AA and Narcotics Anonymous are housed inside the churches? And how those are the ones that fill the pews come Sunday, alongside those that were raised brainwashed and can't think for themselves?

Let me guess -- you were raised in your religion. It's easy to pin out because of how you automatically conclude that those who are religious are perfect saints while you demonize those who don't in the same breath. Not very religious of you, is it?

You need more life experience, you should try interacting with people outside of your church -- you might find that what you're told isn't even at all close to true, and that your religion that you choose to believe or follow doesn't dictate the merits of the person making the choice. How many gangsters shoot their competition and then thank God for their fortunes when they land a record deal -- like.... what? Religious people are some of the most absolutely crazy and judgmental people I've ever met. You honestly think yourself better than I, don't you?

We don't think you pathetic, we know you are. You clearly demonstrate it in your post. You liken those without faith to that of robbers and crooks, a ridiculous notion in it's own right. You know prison has church right? And most criminals find faith while they are in there and then come out and go right back to being criminals....

What you believe is not what makes YOU, YOU make you, since you have the freedom of choice. I choose not to believe, yet I do NOT choose to fight, argue, steal, rape, kill, insult, or make problems -- I choose to help solve them, and I do so on a regular basis. I don't donate to the church, I donate to those in need directly -- I don't need a middle man to skip off the top and decide who deserves the help and who doesn't -- I just out right help those in need, and that makes me, ME, and that's how you make a difference.

You aren't helping anyone by looking down upon them, only is it when you lend a hand up that good is done. I don't need faith to teach me that -- In fact, I think your faith is clouding your judgement.

Jesus did create a new faith
When he said
To go to the father you have to go through me
I am the light

But if my God is really the devil then
I can kill someone rape steal lie cheat
It's all OK to do
Because my God was false and decived me

I'll stick with jebus lol

a reply to: piney

coincidentally

Jesus said "I go to MY GOD"

which makes him NOT... God

originally posted by: piney
Jesus did create a new faith
When he said
To go to the father you have to go through me
I am the light

But if my God is really the devil then
I can kill someone rape steal lie cheat
It's all OK to do
Because my God was false and decived me

I'll stick with jebus lol

It doesn't matter who your "God" is, it's never okay to kill/rape/steal/lie/cheat. Even if you place your faith in mistake, it's still not right, and we don't need to have ANY faith to understand these are core tenants that should not be broken. Funny enough that even the most devout of Christians still lie/cheat/rape/steal/kill on a daily basis, even as they proclaim their faith in Jesus. This proves to any who dares be observant that faith has virtually no bearing on morality -- which means effectively you don't need it, and more appropriately, it actually causes a divide, which creates problems through judgement. It's even in the bible that only God should judge, yet almost everyone of faith is making judgement at a regular interval. It's almost as if they use faith as a self evaluation, which by definition is a judgement, since an evaluation is the act of judging ones merits against their foes or competition -- that being anyone who has a different way of thinking.

You go ahead and stick with "Jebus" or any belief you might have -- just as long as you are a civil and caring/kind person who will put themselves down to lift others up, you're all good.

no God is not technicaly satan. God is Holy, so his suffering if any is Holy. i believe it all comes down to us being in a different reality..time..thought process etc.. and the existence of time travel communications. artificial telepathy. the bible calls it woodworm for a reason, it gets into things and corrupts communication. If you want proof of Gods perfections, read the bible, and observe the bible codes. then look at the wonder of nature. he brought us here for a reason. that reason will always be Holy.

a reply to: beenharmed

Thank you.
I also don't think that God is Satan, but that the role of God in CERTAIN books and parts of books is more appropriate to that of Satan. Such as the book of Job. God gives permission to Satan to torture the one who served God most - Job. I can quote more books, and my purpose is NOT to say that God of the Old Testament is equal to Satan. But that the books are grossly misinterpreted, and some of them - doctored. How can we say for certainty what Moses wrote is absolute truth, if he wrote Genesis some 2000 years after the Flood (or 10,000y nobody knows).

And not so much the books themselves as the practice of them. Moses cut hands for small trespasses as his interpretation of the 10 commandments. Human sacrifice of children and youth became a practice in post-Solomon time. I don't know how wide spread it were, but the books are clear that indeed happened. Let alone post-Christ practice that outruns everything known in ancient times or with pagans. Burning of heretics since the time of the Roman empire continued to post-Columbus time etc. That cannot but equal to the role of Satan in this world, yet in the "name of God and Jesus". Indeed, apologies have been given by the last 3 popes...BUT what are few words of regret that no one of the billion crowd repeats again? We hope today's churches are completely cut off their bloody past. Let it be so, let it be a new era! I still don't see it though, despite the absence of the Inquisitors. Satan acts today much more sinister than in the time when popes decided who would live and would die in the fires, to be spared his soul from the fires of hell...

About Jesus, it is a long story that even the pages of the entire forum would not be enough to retell. What we observe as Christians (and I am proudly a such) is de facto the Constantinian Christianity. It is not what Jesus taught, to the letter or to the spirit. We don't know what Jesus taught in first place. If He was denied the wife he had by those crazy elders in Nicaea... Perhaps those who declare themselves free from dogmatic religion and searching the truth, are actually closer to Jesus in spirit. I don't know and nobody knows, until He makes himself known to the multitudes - not to a selective secluded number of scholars that would bow before imperial or alien power. If we believe Jesus is atop of any alien power as real Son of God. The wife goes beyond the sexual and touches upon the real possibility we have not one Son of God standing alone on a cloud for 2000 years and expecting Armageddon to reign on desolated earth...but a multitude of sons and daughters of the Son of God who already reign and enjoy life with others somewhere else.

a reply to: 2012newstart

Any human who advises themselves as a spiritual philosophy, should first of all know the structure of the philosophy.

It is obvious via the document review that philosophy belongs to a human being's own spiritual review involving aspects of creation as powers.

The reason this is obvious is due to the fact that we are a naturally formed human spirit who once had a natural tribal life....eating/drinking/living and taking care of ourselves and our family as a community.

Science was introduced...the concepts of creation and its spirits.

The fact is obvious...a human being introduced science for their own purpose...to gain powers in creation.

We already existed as a formed consciousness...a body/a spirit consciousness/awareness and psyche abilities to gain information about creation.

Yet when you look at the Nature...human being's lower self is the animal kingdom......plants/insects....microbes as the natural spirit.

No evil spirit present.

So you would ask your self, how did the concept of evil versus a holy spirit be represented in a Nature where no unnatural powers existed...for no technology existed?

Who is the evil spirit in this concept?

The human male is....the human male motivation to change the natural state to gain huge powers in creation for personal use.

The male uses his own conscious awareness and speaks to himself as he decides to inform his psyche about the conditions that he wants to gain...so you ask yourself why did an ancient human male want powers in creation?

To use a power to own building practices....for he decided to begin the creation of civilization to own his family life...control his family life and force them to submit to his higher status of self.

Hence the review that the evil minded condition of a human male introduced all concepts of evil.

This is how the High Priest/Shamanic human began his journey into the human male's own conscious deceit and evil minded practices. He took somatic drugs, and in drugged chemical states witnessed strange spiritual images. As he took concoctions from plants...being the burnt spirit matter, he saw the holographic imagery of his own self on origin Earth.

I have already detailed how holographic memory was created....for origin creation was destroyed by our brother and whilst the radiation attacked origin atmosphere, his own organic presence demanifested and become a red celled human being...who eventually was incinerated...as was Earth.

In this memory the higher atmospheric body converted...demonstrating to his person as an awareness...for awareness can only be given by an experience....he knew that the higher bodies can convert and become a lower body. Therefore he was witness to the Earth's higher atmospheric body converting into oxygen and water. Therefore he advised his own spirit that he had converted his body organic cell (why human males in modern time proved the same) and that the oxygen and water conversion creation, saved his life and his spirit.

Therefore he was witness to stone's levitation as radiation changed the crystal mountainous body Earth once was.

This is how we know and advised our own selves about who we are, and where we came from....for in this life the human beings were manifesting and demanifesting from a higher androgynous being.....that we called our Father self as a personal spiritual review only because our Father created our human life as a sexual act...and a Father does not carry the child inside of its womb.

So when you review spiritual information you only use the experience of what you are advised....so we use our own conscious awareness, think about the spiritual condition and then self advise our own person as to the reason for the spirit. Yet our Father in this state is androgynous...and not known....also told in philosophical literature as a realization.

This is how our brother gained information itself...for he witnessed the levitation of stone, whilst his own organic self was converting....so he was involved in the radiation attack that caused both bodies to change at the same time. This is how he gained this information to use in modern Earth life.

So we know for certain that human beings did manifest from out of origin light that still exists, where the androgynous self exists...for our family has revisited us after they were deceased to inform us that we still exist as a spirit after death and always existed before life.

This is the reason why we know about spirit.

Our brother in a drugged mind state therefore did not consider the dangers of using stone levitation...for being in a drugged state anyone would advise the scientists today to consider what he proposed....his own self destruction. For the application of levitation of stone, then led to the attack of carbonizing the body of Earth...Earth nearly was destroyed.

This is the reason why in modern times, using levitation attacked him, only because he never considered what he had achieved previously...he was self possessed by his pursuit to be a powerful self to control powers of spirit...to be powerful and egotistical...yet in fact he was evil minded in his considerations.

After he caused a new radiation release...his own brain attacked by the released radiation review that he considered...then caused his own brain to be chemically changed....and it is why he believes himself in evil spirits and then imposed this evalued condition on humanity.

Hence when our modern day brother was attacked and combusted by the same inherited condition that modern occultists have caused, he realized that our brother was mind possessed by his own person. That he was so self possessed that no rational information made any difference to his pursuit to own powers of creation...to the extent that he considered combusting all life on Earth.

We face the very same circumstance today. Ancient philosophers formed a sacred brotherhood who vowed to protect all life on Earth and eventually they themselves were murdered, when our evil minded brother who hid in secret locations around the world regained his control of our life.

God is only a holy concept when God is allowed to be God...a holy heavenly condition involved in the creation of the cloud interaction...holiness as a natural state.

Our brother took this information and then converted the outcome...to cause the ancient manifestation of the alien presence as the atmosphere manifests into the army to attack us and remove our holy life.

a reply to: beenharmed

The existence of Evil cannot be denied because it is present in our lives from birth to death. I.e. even if many people try and want to be good, they suffer no less, may be more than those who do not try it.

The question as I find it in this thread, is whether the personification of God that seems controversial mainly in the Old Testament Books, as well as other religions, is that of good one, or there are elements of evil one side by side with the good one. That question ultimately ends up with questions of who wrote the books of OT, when and why, were there changes later. Because obviously the books don't speak in one voice when they speak of God. Sometimes, the "god" of the OT wants brutal actions of the chosen people against their fellow men, women and even children, that is hardly compatible with today's doctrine of all loving Father of all and Creator in heaven. We can read how prophet Elisha right after being a witness of Elijah's ascension in chariot of fire, finds out necessary to curse a group of local children for being ridiculed, and immediately two bears appear on the scene to rip apart 42 children to their deaths. That and other episodes of bloody revenge etc, cannot but ask questions that I tried to detail above in other posts. Not that the idea of a good God is something wrong. But that the books and the life experience come to show that someone else is in charge, at moments even in the life of chosen people like Elisha.

Whether Satan exists, as personification of pure and ultimate evil, I think yes he exists. Some argue he does not.

Dualism has been found in many religions and in early Christian scholars such as Augustine. It has been rejected subsequently by the Christian Church elders. Instead, they employ the theory of endless suffering and sacrifice while on this earth in these bodies. They argue that is provable by the sacrifice of the Son of God on the Cross.

But there is one big problem with that doctrine, because it is said in the Gospels and the Epistles, Jesus died for OUR SINS to bear OUR SUFFERINGS and WEAKNESSES. Not in order we continue to suffer for sin (and otherwise) as if He never died, as the people of OT times, or even more than them. That is a big controversy in the predominant religious doctrine, that awaits its resolution in better times. I don't expect it will be moved an inch while the humankind is still under the laws of suffering (or under the rule of an evil lord called for clarity satan).

Once humanity is liberated, it will surely review doctrines from past ages and will adopt new ones. The doctrines themselves are not the problem, they changed over time. As we see, the doctrine of Moses, based on his interpretation of the 10 commandments, was quite a cruel one. The doctrine of the Middle ages saw burning of people as justifiable and desirable instead of burning in hell for ever!? Obviously those doctrines didn't win over the time, even when we still walk the path of suffering. We realize that a good God cannot throw little children in hell forever, only because they were not baptized. Therefore the doctrine was changed several times, to reach the point that baptism is no more required as ultimate necessity to enter the so called door of heaven.

The liberation of the (adopted) Sons and Daughters of God in their physicality is the expectation many believing people, if not all of them. Paul talks of that in Romans. The physical death indeed brings relief from the physical pain and all other forms of oppression of this world. Here we speak not of the personal end of each human lifespan, but of the fate of humanity. The recipe to await one's personal end of physical life as remedy for one's problems, is not something very productive. Projected on perspective of humanity that brings drastic consequences.

The fate of humanity I do not see in an endless and ever increased suffering, sacrifice, to end in a mass martyrdom and to be labelled "Armageddon victory of Jesus Christ". Actually those inside Churches as well as and outside, including hardline Muslims with their screwed views of end times, who want to bring up sooner Armageddon battles, are responsible to greater degree for the collective suffering of humankind today and in near future. Imagine scenarios with hundreds, thousands nukes, exploded artificially supervolcanoes and triggered earthquakes, all in the name of some "gd" that we'd rightly call "satan".

Rather I see the near future of humankind in the winning of life over death, love over hate, good over evil, to happen even in the historical time. When the final count will happen, as talked about in the Second Coming and Judgment Day, I don't know and nobody does, not even Jesus himself as he said...

Perhaps, bifurcation (divide into two separate lines or streams) will happen for those who want it and for those who do not.

Well, if I continue I will have to repeat old posts. I also invite everyone to read my other posts and threads by clicking on my profile. Thanks!

P.S. I cannot understand how religious leaders talk of a soon to come betterment of life on earth via their model of endless sacrifice (christian) or violent martyrdom (muslim). Instead of offering to humanity what they could do even now, without waiting the politicians to release secrets of ancient times they themselves know even better. Yes I talk of ancient knowledge such as the found in Sumer and Egypt that we ponder about until today.

Without such release, the humanity is doomed to fail. Is that the hidden purpose?

Today's awareness of humanity as a whole is much greater than any previous age. May be that was not envisioned by those who set hidden bombs in advance in history, both in scripture and in practice. Their goals were the humanity to fail, not so much in the course of bloody history, but in the last moment of its liberation. To choose otherwise. Not to survive, in other words. Not to have humanity afterward whatever event they know is coming, be it man made or natural. In the name of unclear religious goals that no one really understands what they mean. If that is not the plot of satan, what it is then? It is surely not the teaching of a loving God and His Son.

a reply to: starsyren

well, it just seems to fit.

No it fits like a square peg in a round hole.
What did you think, you're going to get a congradulations for finding the
secret that the scholars have missed? Please we don't need any
more confusing stupid books written on this subject. At ALL!
How does 911 have anything to with God,if as you mentioned, the
gov. lies to us? Oh they didn't lie about that? RIGHT! Okay I'm done
here. I get so sick of this crap! "Whats going on with Jesus"? WTF?
Only the most recognized figurehead in human history that's all.
PHFFFFFRF!