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ATS and OWS: What the heck, ATS?
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My honest, admittedly jaded opinion, which by no means applies to everyone here, but to many, is this:
It's the internet. The internet, possibly the greatest educational and communications tool ever created by humanity, has become, like everything else good and with great potential, 1) A place of business, and 2) A place where people behave and treat one another as they never would in real life, were they face to face.
I've been online for two decades. In that time, I have watched the internet decline from a place where like-minded people from all over the world, different cultures, different belief systems, etc. could meet and communicate civilly, to Ye Olde Land Of Trolls. Popular culture today - but especially online - is one of hyper-competitiveness, scorn, belligerence, and self-gratification.
It is entertaining to make people angry. It is fun and cool to insult or upset people. It is considered normal and expected behavior in many internet communities to argue and bicker just for the sake of doing it, with no other end or purpose in mind than to be entertained by hostility and tension. It's as if people are addicted to tension.
If it isn't tension due to arguing for arguing's sake, it's tension due to the latest prediction of doom and gloom, which invariably never comes to pass, after which people move on to the next one. People are entertained by being afraid, angry, and confrontational to everyone in sight. And they aren't even aware they're doing it. If they are, they don't care. Because "it's JUST the internet." So of course a popular movement calling for change can only be met with scorn, confrontation, and derision.
Now, don't get me wrong. Some people simply see problems with the movement. Some people just disagree with the politics of the movement, or have ethical opposition to certain things it's calling for. Others (like myself) merely lament its lack of focus and organization, and its vulnerability to manipulation and infiltration, as has been the case with every popular movement like this in history. And, again, this culture of hostility doesn't apply to everyone... not by a long shot... and ATS is far better about this than many internet communities in my opinion.
But still, you all know exactly what I'm talking about and that it's more or less true much of the timne. At least, in my opinion, you should by now after spending so much time online. This is the new internet culture. The culture of hostility and bad attitudes. The Troll Culture in Ye Olde Land of The Trolls.
It's the internet. The internet, possibly the greatest educational and communications tool ever created by humanity, has become, like everything else good and with great potential, 1) A place of business, and 2) A place where people behave and treat one another as they never would in real life, were they face to face.
I've been online for two decades. In that time, I have watched the internet decline from a place where like-minded people from all over the world, different cultures, different belief systems, etc. could meet and communicate civilly, to Ye Olde Land Of Trolls. Popular culture today - but especially online - is one of hyper-competitiveness, scorn, belligerence, and self-gratification.
It is entertaining to make people angry. It is fun and cool to insult or upset people. It is considered normal and expected behavior in many internet communities to argue and bicker just for the sake of doing it, with no other end or purpose in mind than to be entertained by hostility and tension. It's as if people are addicted to tension.
If it isn't tension due to arguing for arguing's sake, it's tension due to the latest prediction of doom and gloom, which invariably never comes to pass, after which people move on to the next one. People are entertained by being afraid, angry, and confrontational to everyone in sight. And they aren't even aware they're doing it. If they are, they don't care. Because "it's JUST the internet." So of course a popular movement calling for change can only be met with scorn, confrontation, and derision.
Now, don't get me wrong. Some people simply see problems with the movement. Some people just disagree with the politics of the movement, or have ethical opposition to certain things it's calling for. Others (like myself) merely lament its lack of focus and organization, and its vulnerability to manipulation and infiltration, as has been the case with every popular movement like this in history. And, again, this culture of hostility doesn't apply to everyone... not by a long shot... and ATS is far better about this than many internet communities in my opinion.
But still, you all know exactly what I'm talking about and that it's more or less true much of the timne. At least, in my opinion, you should by now after spending so much time online. This is the new internet culture. The culture of hostility and bad attitudes. The Troll Culture in Ye Olde Land of The Trolls.
Originally posted by Exv8densez
reply to post by MemoryShock
Personal attacks on individuals into OWS whoever they are might not break down the reality of this "infamous" movement as you'd hoped.
Just saying!
You Misread my intention....I was at Occupy San Francisco and have pics to prove it...I do question some motivations however and do recognize that this movement needs some vetting and time for it to actually mesh with political power...
I am content with the current manifestation though...
reply to post by MemoryShock
Thank you so much, Memory Shock, my true and trusted friend, for your clarifications. Alas, with clarification often times more questions arise. It is not enough to be angry at a system that confuses and confounds. It is not enough to simply point to the problem and pump fists in the air and yell: "I'm mad as hell and not going to take it anymore!" It is not okay that people confuse corporatism with capitalism, especially because it is capitalism that gets the short end of the stick on this confusion by those who want this change.
No matter how heavily regulated the market place gets, it is never enough regulation, or at some point the clear and present corruption that was invited by all this heavy regulation becomes the complaint. Frustratingly, even with all this regulation, none of it does a damn thing but contribute to the rise of corporatism, insisting all of us accept our roles as "consumers", at the expense of free and unregulated markets and the people that just want to do business lawfully, but on their own terms, not on terms dictated by a set of rules that demand only a the chosen get to win, and everyone else plays to lose so that the chosen can win.
Entering into agreement with the plethora of licensing schemes, tax accountants and attorneys, as well as other attorneys held on retainer just in case one or more of any number of the plethora of confusing acts of legislation imposed on business practices gets "violated", is a rejection of free market principles, whether that rejection be knowing, tacit, or out of ignorance. To blindly buy into the well established institution of credentialism, (brought forth by an earlier progressive movement), is yet another part of the very problem we face today. Licensed professionals are no safer to the buyer than unlicensed sellers are. People still get sick from tainted food, people still die on operating tables, or from misdiagnosis or over medication, people still find themselves happlessly trapped in some new fangled technological disaster, no matter how many licenses and regulatory schemes have been imposed upon the seller. Yet, the government imposing the regulation benefits greatly from this competent incompetence of being unable to regulate that which they claimed authority to regulate to begin with.
When the regulators, a few years back, attempted to explain to the People that it was necessary to use gobs and gobs and then a bobazillion gazillion megabillion gobs of money to bail out the very banks that have been robbing the People blind, it was explained that this was necessary because the thieves were "too big to fail", and what seemed to get missed by far too many is that the regulators selling "too big to fail" were the very same people who were tasked, through anti-trust laws, to prevent any company from getting to big to fail to begin with.
This didn't happen because corporate fat cats bought up politicians that in turn wrote up a bunch of legislation that made us pull down our pants and take the rape like a good little "consumer". This happened because We the People collectively pulled down our pants and cooed and caw-cawed and whispered sweet nothings into the ears of that sacred cow of legal fictions and civil rights just begging to be screwed. Moaning like insatiable whores we screamed for more and more until we could no longer appreciate the orgasms, and then we "wake up" and realize there is much more to any relationship than sex, and besides, it just isn't all that healthy to keep taking it up the...well, you get my drift.
We are useless collectively if we are useless as individuals. This is key in affecting any meaningful change, and that change has to be for the better, or we'll just all be clamoring for change until the cows come home praying for pigs to fly. As long as we are willing to be statutorily defined "employees", as long as we are willing to agree that economies actually need banking institutions in order to function, as long as we are willing to surrender our unalienable and natural rights for the privilege of surviving, and stupidly agreeing that our survival can only function under to you lose we win rules created by the collusion of an incorporated government that turned around and granted charters of incorporation, writing up legislation declaring all this legal fiction a "person", then we will keep seething with rage until the blood red rage boils to its bubble, and the pimple festers to its puss.
As long as we keep agreeing to acquiesce to tyranny, we will keep getting tyranny. If people genuinely believe that the best way to reign in the tyrant is to protest and demand that tyrants stop being tyrants, we will keep getting tyrants. We can only do what we do individually, but if we do not do all we can do as individuals, no collective is going to help us.
Thank you so much, Memory Shock, my true and trusted friend, for your clarifications. Alas, with clarification often times more questions arise. It is not enough to be angry at a system that confuses and confounds. It is not enough to simply point to the problem and pump fists in the air and yell: "I'm mad as hell and not going to take it anymore!" It is not okay that people confuse corporatism with capitalism, especially because it is capitalism that gets the short end of the stick on this confusion by those who want this change.
No matter how heavily regulated the market place gets, it is never enough regulation, or at some point the clear and present corruption that was invited by all this heavy regulation becomes the complaint. Frustratingly, even with all this regulation, none of it does a damn thing but contribute to the rise of corporatism, insisting all of us accept our roles as "consumers", at the expense of free and unregulated markets and the people that just want to do business lawfully, but on their own terms, not on terms dictated by a set of rules that demand only a the chosen get to win, and everyone else plays to lose so that the chosen can win.
Entering into agreement with the plethora of licensing schemes, tax accountants and attorneys, as well as other attorneys held on retainer just in case one or more of any number of the plethora of confusing acts of legislation imposed on business practices gets "violated", is a rejection of free market principles, whether that rejection be knowing, tacit, or out of ignorance. To blindly buy into the well established institution of credentialism, (brought forth by an earlier progressive movement), is yet another part of the very problem we face today. Licensed professionals are no safer to the buyer than unlicensed sellers are. People still get sick from tainted food, people still die on operating tables, or from misdiagnosis or over medication, people still find themselves happlessly trapped in some new fangled technological disaster, no matter how many licenses and regulatory schemes have been imposed upon the seller. Yet, the government imposing the regulation benefits greatly from this competent incompetence of being unable to regulate that which they claimed authority to regulate to begin with.
When the regulators, a few years back, attempted to explain to the People that it was necessary to use gobs and gobs and then a bobazillion gazillion megabillion gobs of money to bail out the very banks that have been robbing the People blind, it was explained that this was necessary because the thieves were "too big to fail", and what seemed to get missed by far too many is that the regulators selling "too big to fail" were the very same people who were tasked, through anti-trust laws, to prevent any company from getting to big to fail to begin with.
This didn't happen because corporate fat cats bought up politicians that in turn wrote up a bunch of legislation that made us pull down our pants and take the rape like a good little "consumer". This happened because We the People collectively pulled down our pants and cooed and caw-cawed and whispered sweet nothings into the ears of that sacred cow of legal fictions and civil rights just begging to be screwed. Moaning like insatiable whores we screamed for more and more until we could no longer appreciate the orgasms, and then we "wake up" and realize there is much more to any relationship than sex, and besides, it just isn't all that healthy to keep taking it up the...well, you get my drift.
We are useless collectively if we are useless as individuals. This is key in affecting any meaningful change, and that change has to be for the better, or we'll just all be clamoring for change until the cows come home praying for pigs to fly. As long as we are willing to be statutorily defined "employees", as long as we are willing to agree that economies actually need banking institutions in order to function, as long as we are willing to surrender our unalienable and natural rights for the privilege of surviving, and stupidly agreeing that our survival can only function under to you lose we win rules created by the collusion of an incorporated government that turned around and granted charters of incorporation, writing up legislation declaring all this legal fiction a "person", then we will keep seething with rage until the blood red rage boils to its bubble, and the pimple festers to its puss.
As long as we keep agreeing to acquiesce to tyranny, we will keep getting tyranny. If people genuinely believe that the best way to reign in the tyrant is to protest and demand that tyrants stop being tyrants, we will keep getting tyrants. We can only do what we do individually, but if we do not do all we can do as individuals, no collective is going to help us.
reply to post by Unknown Soldier
funny how quickly your photo was "debunked"
but my world map of the occupy movements/activities worldwide got no response at all
sort of how a lot of folks are ignoring the indisputable fact that the zetas released their hostage,
thus conceding defeat.
:sigh: sometimes i consider changing my username to
TheElephantInTheRoom
edit to add
Doh! most of the people i'm replying to are offline
hmm some don't have that excuse [don't mean U as this is my 1st reply to you here]
funny how quickly your photo was "debunked"
but my world map of the occupy movements/activities worldwide got no response at all
sort of how a lot of folks are ignoring the indisputable fact that the zetas released their hostage,
thus conceding defeat.
:sigh: sometimes i consider changing my username to
TheElephantInTheRoom
edit to add
Doh! most of the people i'm replying to are offline
hmm some don't have that excuse [don't mean U as this is my 1st reply to you here]
edit on 5-11-2011 by DerepentLEstranger because: (no
reason given)
reply to post by relpobre000
But you have not explained your view point and if so what your game plan would be? The reason i ask is i have a hard time believing people that ream on OWS that refuse to provide simple answers to complex questions like : what to do about wall street and bakers? If so what will you do? Usually 9 times out of 10 i wont get an answer. Sometimes i get an answer that sounds better then the OWS idea. Then i say how about we do both? Why not? Is awareness some plague? Of course not.
So i respectfully disagree with anti OWS people and even the socks
If it was based on tripe I would in no way support it and would probably do the same thing i did to that UFO cult i dismantled last year. But the thing is even when the tea party protested i did not agree with them however i defended them as far as the right to free speech and peacefully assemble. And so should anyone that supports the constitution.
For the ANTI-OWS crowd
if you don't agree with OWS just say why? Instead of resorting to character assassination, labels, stereotypes, socialism blah. I have yet to see this being done by the anti OWS crowd besides "boo hoo they are in my way to work" funny how many people are on their way to work here where OWS is in your way. And i know some if not many make this up for whatever the agenda may be. We take our freedom of speech very seriously and if we cant speak freely then....
It's Caturday and im on here arguing aghh, Unknown Soldier needs to go grab some beers and a DVD
But you have not explained your view point and if so what your game plan would be? The reason i ask is i have a hard time believing people that ream on OWS that refuse to provide simple answers to complex questions like : what to do about wall street and bakers? If so what will you do? Usually 9 times out of 10 i wont get an answer. Sometimes i get an answer that sounds better then the OWS idea. Then i say how about we do both? Why not? Is awareness some plague? Of course not.
So i respectfully disagree with anti OWS people and even the socks
If it was based on tripe I would in no way support it and would probably do the same thing i did to that UFO cult i dismantled last year. But the thing is even when the tea party protested i did not agree with them however i defended them as far as the right to free speech and peacefully assemble. And so should anyone that supports the constitution.
For the ANTI-OWS crowd
if you don't agree with OWS just say why? Instead of resorting to character assassination, labels, stereotypes, socialism blah. I have yet to see this being done by the anti OWS crowd besides "boo hoo they are in my way to work" funny how many people are on their way to work here where OWS is in your way. And i know some if not many make this up for whatever the agenda may be. We take our freedom of speech very seriously and if we cant speak freely then....
It's Caturday and im on here arguing aghh, Unknown Soldier needs to go grab some beers and a DVD
edit on 5-11-2011 by Unknown Soldier because:
(no reason given)
My biggest problem with the occupy wall street crew is they spew ignorance. They have their hands out like a teenager coming to daddy to bail them
out for being broke. They want to end capitalism and scream it regularly as if it's a broken system. The biggest problem we face as a country is the
amount of money we spend on welfare handouts consuming our budget far beyond any other category.. Therefore the occupy wall street morons are asking
for more of exactly what has destroyed this country. BAILOUTS..
Capitalism may be broken in some ways but it's still the most free prosperous system.
Socialism has NEVER worked in the history of the world.
Capitalism may be broken in some ways but it's still the most free prosperous system.
Socialism has NEVER worked in the history of the world.
edit on 5-11-2011 by libertytoall because: (no reason given)
reply to post by AceWombat04
Members on ATS don't want to admit it, but ATS has also changed from what it once was. Nowadays, I'm seeing members with a high WATS index getting 100+ flags and stars in mere hours simply by posting and witty one-liner remarks getting 100+ stars. Even harder for members of ATS is the fact that there are people who come to ATS (sometimes from 4chan) with the sole purpose of trolling in mind. They don't care about their arguments being full of holes or their threads being highly provocative. In fact, sometimes they come to ATS just to argue back and forth in a thread to try and get it closed.
Who needs paid infiltrators to steer opinion and close down ATS threads you don't like when you have trolls that will do it for you?
Members on ATS don't want to admit it, but ATS has also changed from what it once was. Nowadays, I'm seeing members with a high WATS index getting 100+ flags and stars in mere hours simply by posting and witty one-liner remarks getting 100+ stars. Even harder for members of ATS is the fact that there are people who come to ATS (sometimes from 4chan) with the sole purpose of trolling in mind. They don't care about their arguments being full of holes or their threads being highly provocative. In fact, sometimes they come to ATS just to argue back and forth in a thread to try and get it closed.
Who needs paid infiltrators to steer opinion and close down ATS threads you don't like when you have trolls that will do it for you?
Originally posted by DerepentLEstranger
reply to post by Unknown Soldier
funny how quickly your photo was "debunked"
but my world map of the occupy movements/activities worldwide got no response at all
sort of how a lot of folks are ignoring the indisputable fact that the zetas released their hostage,
thus conceding defeat.
:sigh: sometimes i consider changing my username to
TheElephantInTheRoom
edit to add
Doh! most of the people i'm replying to are offline
hmm some don't have that excuse [don't mean U as this is my 1st reply to you here]edit on 5-11-2011 by DerepentLEstranger because: (no reason given)
The Zetas responded to diplomacy
Who knew? We figured they would become frustrated trying to behead an unknown enemy with no face on the internet with a machete. They can save the barrels of sulfuric acid for for some rival farmer instead...
Oh the Google chop : the Chop is mightier then the sword my friend
edit on 5-11-2011 by Unknown Soldier because: (no reason
given)
Originally posted by DerepentLEstranger
reply to post by Unknown Soldier
funny how quickly your photo was "debunked"
but my world map of the occupy movements/activities worldwide got no response at all
sort of how a lot of folks are ignoring the indisputable fact that the zetas released their hostage,
thus conceding defeat.
:sigh: sometimes i consider changing my username to
TheElephantInTheRoom
Wrong.
Its not hard to see the many cities that Occupy is in. Not wrong to say there are thousands. What wrong is to say that this is a Arab Spring moment,cause I dont see MILLIONS of people or MASS Chaos in the streets before,and if you read your news,after.
The Zetas might have released their hostage,but for a group that "claims" justice for all,they sure look like a group that doesn't have the ability to sacrifice one of their own,for the sake of it.Figures, when you HIDE behind a MASK,and a Computer.Old "Guido' Fawkes had NO problem jumping from the gallows,but these internetz champions of justice,with ALL their power cant release the names of known killers,and murders,Businessmen,and associates,with more money then probably the banks have and money that's funneled into the banks ! Irony,hey ?
edit on 5-11-2011 by sonnny1
because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by libertytoall
My biggest problem with the occupy wall street crew is they spew ignorance. They have their hands out like a teenager coming to daddy to bail them out for being broke. They want to end capitalism and scream it regularly as if it's a broken system. The biggest problem we face as a country is the amount of money we spend on welfare handouts consuming our budget far beyond any other category.. Therefore the occupy wall street morons are asking for more of exactly what has destroyed this country. BAILOUTS..
My biggest Issue with Wall Street is they came to the Government like spoiled brats with their hand out asking for bail out money, even a get out of jail free card and they GOT IT! Even after they created the problem and caused it.
I will take a bunch of broke and even wealthy hipsters over these hungry dinosaurs any day. After all these hipsters and bong hitters are the future. Those Dinosaurs will be long be dead when they inherit this debit well in to their 40's 50's 60's ect
Today poring your coffee and flipping burgers tomorrow...
edit on 5-11-2011 by Unknown Soldier because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Unknown Soldier
For lack of direction there sure are a LOT of people in certain places saying the same thing. Lets take a look at history, Rosa Parks did not conceive what would become of what she did on a bus one day. The revolution in Egypt had no direction it was chaos! But look what became of it?
Are you quite certain you want to hold up a budding military dictatorship promoting the genocide of a religious minority as a shining example of the sort of "progress" you espouse?
Oh and they had naysayers too where are they?
Dead?
Courage to dissent is just one part of the formula. Oh and the Posting a "FAKE" pic to justifies the "millions" is beyond straw-man comment is the good old "I know you are but what am I" come back i use to hear on the curly slide in 4th grade.
It appeared to me to e the observation and calling out of attempted propaganda in action.
Just sayin'...
edit on 2011/11/5 by nenothtu because: (no reason given)
reply to post by Unknown Soldier
indeed, the amorphous and leaderless quality of OWS really has a lot of ordinarily nice folks on this thread really freaked out and some are just unrecognizable in their hatred and fear of change and the unknown.
some, it seems, are actually jumping from one side to the other and back again
the best lulz are my fellow Occultists and their defense of the Ancien Régime
Welcome to the Pandaemonaeon
indeed, the amorphous and leaderless quality of OWS really has a lot of ordinarily nice folks on this thread really freaked out and some are just unrecognizable in their hatred and fear of change and the unknown.
some, it seems, are actually jumping from one side to the other and back again
the best lulz are my fellow Occultists and their defense of the Ancien Régime
Welcome to the Pandaemonaeon
edit on 5-11-2011 by DerepentLEstranger because: (no reason given)
reply to post by sonnny1
That was what the photoshop was saying yes
Maybe not a Arab Spring and more of a Indian Spring
You dont have to turn over cars and create flash mobs to WIN
I guess you missed our Monsanto campaign
www.abovetopsecret.com...
Or Lolita city Porn ring or any of our other Ops?
Wrong. Its not hard to see the many cities that Occupy is in. Not wrong to say there are thousands.
That was what the photoshop was saying yes
What wrong is to say that this is a Arab Spring moment,cause I dont see MILLIONS of people or MASS Chaos in the streets before,
Maybe not a Arab Spring and more of a Indian Spring
You dont have to turn over cars and create flash mobs to WIN
and if you read your news,after. The Zetas might have released their hostage,but for a group that "claims" justice for all,they sure look like a group that doesn't have the ability to sacrifice one of their own,for the sake of it.Figures, when you HIDE behind a MASK,and a Computer.Old "Guido' Fawkes had NO problem jumping from the gallows,but these internetz champions of justice,with ALL their power cant release the names of known killers,and murders,Businessmen,and associates,with more money then probably the banks have and money that's funneled into the banks ! Irony,hey ?
I guess you missed our Monsanto campaign
www.abovetopsecret.com...
Or Lolita city Porn ring or any of our other Ops?
edit on 5-11-2011 by Unknown Soldier because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Unknown Soldier
Originally posted by libertytoall
My biggest problem with the occupy wall street crew is they spew ignorance. They have their hands out like a teenager coming to daddy to bail them out for being broke. They want to end capitalism and scream it regularly as if it's a broken system. The biggest problem we face as a country is the amount of money we spend on welfare handouts consuming our budget far beyond any other category.. Therefore the occupy wall street morons are asking for more of exactly what has destroyed this country. BAILOUTS..
My biggest Issue with Wall Street is they came to the Government like spoiled brats with their hand out asking for bail out money, even a get out of jail free card and they GOT IT! Even after they created the problem and caused it.
I will take a bunch of broke and even wealthy hipsters over these hungry dinosaurs any day. After all these hipsters and bong hitters are the future. Those Dinosaurs will be long be dead when they inherit this debit well in to their 40's 50's 60's ect
Today poring your coffee and flipping burgers tomorrow...
edit on 5-11-2011 by Unknown Soldier because: (no reason
given)
Wall street did not break any laws and I believe they are for profit companies. The real blame should be layed on Clinton and Bush who pushed the entire program the banks utilized. You know, "everyone should be able to afford a house," type of bull# that pushed the easy lending and housing bubble. The banks road the terrible program the FED offered and then pushed. The banks took a HUGE HIT for following the plans of giving every American easy home financing because they were basically told to lower the standards of qualifying for a home loan. The result was many people taking out mortgages they could not afford over the long term. Because the banks carried out the program and design of the housing bubble which the government pushed on them, it was only right for the government to step in and forgive the banks for losing money it wouldn't have had it not been for a governmental program of failure.
edit on 5-11-2011 by libertytoall because: (no reason given)
edit on Sat Nov 5 2011 by
DontTreadOnMe because: removed extra quote tag
Great post OP.. S&F
To put it simply, IMO..... people are afraid of change.
To put it simply, IMO..... people are afraid of change.
reply to post by libertytoall
You really believe that?
(facepalm)
Government YES part of the problem. Wall street is just doing it's job well...
With that said time to call it a night Internets
You really believe that?
(facepalm)
Government YES part of the problem. Wall street is just doing it's job well...
With that said time to call it a night Internets
edit on 5-11-2011 by Unknown Soldier because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by DerepentLEstranger
reply to post by SaturnFX
while i agree with much you're saying [and 100% what you're doing]
it has to be admitted, in all fairness, that at least you can't get banned for expressing an opinion concerning one side or the other, as is done amongst the hordes of GuLP
Ehh? what the hell is a GuLP? (feels a bit dumb for not keeping up with the acronyms).
And let me clarify to the post your responding to. ATS in regards to overall stance and outlook is neutral, and it is overall standing on no opinion one way or another..but that doesn't stop it being saturated with one side moreso than the other in regards to vocal daily diatribe postings...But...meh, if they are paid to do so, well..hell, cant fault a person for having a job (they have to look at themselves in the mirror at the end of the day). and if it is based purely out of ideological standing..well, its good to have opinions about things..maybe in time people will start questioning their own viewpoints when relatives and friends start depending on what they curse..just hopefully not be all joe the plumber about it (complains about the existence of social services..meanwhile used them numerous times in his past)
Originally posted by nenothtu
Are you quite certain you want to hold up a budding military dictatorship promoting the genocide of a religious minority as a shining example of the sort of "progress" you espouse?
Sure........Change your mask to a Guido Fawkes one,and you too will have the power to feel this way........
I couldnt resist Nenothtu............
To the OWS protesters:
I will give these protesters credit though(the real ones). If you truly believe in your agenda,by all means keep protesting. When you decide to REALLY Occupy DC,and have goals that are attainable,Like asking for Congresses resignation,the President,and the immediate End to the Fed (biggest crooked Bank in the World), I will join you.
Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
All I can guess is that the programming worked.
The dwindling middle and upper middle class, who are comfortable in their homes with their Blu-rays and i-phones aren't going to buck the system that is insuring this comfort. The 'haves' want to keep what they have and not become a 'have not'... What they don't realize is that they are one step away from becoming one.
How people can continue to support a system that insures their own demise is BEYOND me. It IS a conspiracy. One worth talking about. Thanks Fox.
+1
I'm with you on this one, OP. Good on you for getting off your ass and talking to others, becoming your own source of media and understanding the problem at heart. But as for your 'why's, I think there is way more than one answer to justify the reason. The masses are not willing to put in the few hours/days of effort to seek the revolution they would benefit from. We are dividing ourselves (like so many people here have already said) into the 99% and haves / have nots.
Every time the word 'revolution' hits the TV, it's all too predictable - and sad. The elite watch, those damned beings - whatever they are - laughing at these so-called revolutions, moving the pieces on the board. How dare we - as human beings - ask to have our jobs back? Ask to bow down as a slave again? Ask to continue working with sweat only to provide the money-thirsty system more to corrupt with?
I don't know specifics, but what I'm beginning to see day by day is that every road runs into another. We all connect in a way that would be impossible to present on a screen. That gives us the huge advantage of taking down anything negative as we see fit, therefore installing any measure of good that would benefit the needs of all. It doesn't have to be world war 3, or judgement day or 2012 - all it has to do is originate from good intention.
I can understand your frustration OP, maybe not to your extent. But every single one of us, in my opinion, carries the greatest level of change which no-one could possibly predict. Until we as connected individuals understand the magnitude of true free will that exists within us - the powers that be will be running the show - simply because we are letting them.
To TheWalkingFox: Great post.
My couple of cents on OWS and ATS. ATS is filled with armchair/keyboard warriors. All the tough talk about the New World Order, Illuminati, politics-this and that. But when push comes to shove, then they are nowhere to been seen and offer little in the way of useful or helpful or even thoughtful posts to the board. Been here long enough to recognize this behavior time after time. The Occupy movement (which is still in the very beginning and somewhat unorganized stages as a whole movement) is the very synthesis of ATS's motto of "Deny Ignorance" and the people rising up to say, NO MORE. Support the Occupy location nearest you at least, whether it be with time, energy, supplies, or even money. NOW is the time ATS, either sit on the sidelines of history or get in the game of a lifetime. You decide.
Occupy ATS
My couple of cents on OWS and ATS. ATS is filled with armchair/keyboard warriors. All the tough talk about the New World Order, Illuminati, politics-this and that. But when push comes to shove, then they are nowhere to been seen and offer little in the way of useful or helpful or even thoughtful posts to the board. Been here long enough to recognize this behavior time after time. The Occupy movement (which is still in the very beginning and somewhat unorganized stages as a whole movement) is the very synthesis of ATS's motto of "Deny Ignorance" and the people rising up to say, NO MORE. Support the Occupy location nearest you at least, whether it be with time, energy, supplies, or even money. NOW is the time ATS, either sit on the sidelines of history or get in the game of a lifetime. You decide.
Occupy ATS