Iran is on the verge of getting the Bomb. It is time for President Barack Obama to act

Originally posted by Cosmic4life
reply to post by Deetermined

 

Top ten execution nations.
1.China.
2.Iran.
3.North Korea.
4.Yemen.
5.United States.
6.Saudi Arabia.
7.Libya.
8.Syria.
9.Bangladesh.
10.Somalia.

I wouldn't be using execution rates as a moral high ground if i was from any of these nations.

Cosmic..

There's a difference between being ranked 2nd with a population of 75.3 million people and being ranked 5th with 311.8 million people!!

Let's see, I think the U.S. had 46 in 2010 and Iran had 252 public and 130 private executions in 2010 for a total of 382!

What does this have to do with Iran getting a nuke? Moderators-have we strayed VERY far off topic?

Originally posted by Deetermined

Originally posted by Cosmic4life
reply to post by Deetermined

 

Top ten execution nations.
1.China.
2.Iran.
3.North Korea.
4.Yemen.
5.United States.
6.Saudi Arabia.
7.Libya.
8.Syria.
9.Bangladesh.
10.Somalia.

I wouldn't be using execution rates as a moral high ground if i was from any of these nations.

Cosmic..

There's a difference between being ranked 2nd with a population of 75.3 million people and being ranked 5th with 311.8 million people!!

Let's see, I think the U.S. had 46 in 2010 and Iran had 252 public and 130 private executions in 2010 for a total of 382!

edit on 7-11-2011 by Deetermined because: (no reason given)

And so far im batting 1000%!! You're still here right? Ive shot down, oh how many threads over the years on here? Ive always been RIGHT!!! Thanks for playing

Originally posted by Corruption Exposed

Originally posted by princeofpeace
Nothing is going to happen.

Okay thread's over. You heard the man.

Princeofpeace has spoken

Originally posted by JPhish
why is Iran not allowed to have a nuclear capabilities when other nations do?

Because nukes don't belong in the hands of psychopaths!

reply to post by princeofpeace


This is an ongoing discussion to point out why Iran's crazy enough to use a nuclear weapon and why they can't be trusted. For those who think Iran is harmless, they should look at the treatment of their own people and the purposes for which they execute them. This is an effort to educate people and to deny ignorance.

Making statements that "nothing is going to happen", are the useless and pointless ones in discussions like these. And yes, Corruption Exposed mocks you.

Iran gets more specific....

"Iran has repeatedly warned that its Armed Forces are fully prepared to immediately deliver a crushing response to any offensive on Iranian territory.

Each year Iran displays part of its advancements in missile technology, but its Shahab 3 and Sejjil missiles have notably worried the Israeli regime.

The liquid-fuel Shahab 3 missile has a range of up to 1,250 miles (2000 kilometers) and is capable of carrying a 1,000-760 kilogram warhead.

But Sejjil, which is considered as the third generation of Iran-made long-range missiles, is a solid-fuel, two-stage missile with two engines. It is capable of reaching very high altitudes and therefore has a longer range than that of the Shahab 3 model."

english.farsnews.com...

reply to post by Deetermined


Maybe there is an answer to all this..

...whom so-ever launches a missile or device against any nation on Planet Earth that contains Nuclear/Biological/Chemical substances such as to destroy large populations shall suffer an immediate response from those holding the WMD balance.... those being The United States of America and Russia.

A simple treaty between the USA and Russia to actually enforce non-proliferation by making it suicidal for any nation to consider and thus pointless to pursue would go a long way IMO.

I think it's a good time to consider MAD 2. Mutually Assured Deterrence.

Cosmic..

reply to post by Deetermined


Rating doesn't change according to population since it's a reflection of %'s

I'm against death by execution anyway so having a ratinglist like this is bad to begin with imo.

Using it as another excuse to attack a country and kill thousands more is just plain stupid.

Originally posted by Deetermined

Originally posted by Cosmic4life
reply to post by Deetermined

 

Top ten execution nations.
1.China.
2.Iran.
3.North Korea.
4.Yemen.
5.United States.
6.Saudi Arabia.
7.Libya.
8.Syria.
9.Bangladesh.
10.Somalia.

I wouldn't be using execution rates as a moral high ground if i was from any of these nations.

Cosmic..

There's a difference between being ranked 2nd with a population of 75.3 million people and being ranked 5th with 311.8 million people!!

Let's see, I think the U.S. had 46 in 2010 and Iran had 252 public and 130 private executions in 2010 for a total of 382!

edit on 7-11-2011 by Deetermined because: (no reason given)

US has the worlds highest prison population rate (686/10,000 people) source

Personally I don't see what your point is about executions. It just means that they take their justice system seriously; they convict real criminals (who break their laws) and deal with them accordingly. It's not like in the US where prisons are built by corporations and stocked with a lot of innocent people or people sentenced to jail for relatively minor crimes.

This is an ongoing discussion to point out why Iran's crazy enough to use a nuclear weapon and why they can't be trusted. For those who think Iran is harmless, they should look at the treatment of their own people and the purposes for which they execute them. This is an effort to educate people and to deny ignorance.

You're biased for your side and you're trying to prove Iran is crazy? That's like being a psychologist who is paid by big pharma to label people with mental illnesses in order for them to buy meds.

Maybe you should look at how your government treats your people before you start judging other countries.

Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi

US has the worlds highest prison population rate (686/10,000 people) source

Personally I don't see what your point is about executions. It just means that they take their justice system seriously; they convict real criminals (who break their laws) and deal with them accordingly. It's not like in the US where prisons are built by corporations and stocked with a lot of innocent people or people sentenced to jail for relatively minor crimes.

Yes, Iran convicts criminals who break their laws and executes them for drugs, armed robbery, adultery, apostasy, blasphemy, homosexual acts, etc. Think about the fact that Iran arrested 4,100 alone after the 2009 election catastrophe.

And of those people executed last year, 28 of them were juveniles under the age of 18.

Go on, Dimitri, keep telling me how much worse it is in the U.S.

Frankly, Dimitri, I'm not going to respond to this kind of ignorance any longer. Do you really want to defend Iran and say that they have "real criminals" where the U.S. does not? Do you know how stupid that sounds? This is beyond imaginable how little you know about Iran and makes me wonder why you even bother to show up in a thread like this in the first place!

I think this is very worrisome for Iran to have a nuclear weapon. Doesn't everyone realize that Iran's government is the only current one that has actually proclaimed that we are living in the "end times". With a belief like that, what would stop them from using a nuclear weapon? I don't know how to prevent them from developing one though since both Russia and China support them and any military action could start a global war which could fullfill their belief anyway.

Originally posted by Deetermined
Frankly, Dimitri, I'm not going to respond to this kind of ignorance any longer. Do you really want to defend Iran and say that they have "real criminals" where the U.S. does not? Do you know how stupid that sounds? This is beyond imaginable how little you know about Iran and makes me wonder why you even bother to show up in a thread like this in the first place!

What are you going to do, throw some nasty words my way if I don't alter my opinion to suit yours?

Why do I post in threads like these? To deny ignorance, of course. Seriously, people who believe in the party line that is propagated in the media are the lowest common denominator of people who talk politics.

People like you who scream bloody murder about Iran rank in that catagory.

I take real political training in university by well experienced experts who teach politics from the "realist" perspective. I'm not taught the pro-West textbook stuff- on the contrary, I am taught how economic empires use neo-liberal foreign policy to subvertly control any country that is not compliant to their whims. These neo-liberalists force austerity (deregulation of the public sector) on countries that they cannot attack- and they attack countries that avoid their economic control all together.

If you think that this whole Iran situation is really about Iran being such a dangerous threat to world peace, then you are dead wrong. Iran is one of the last bastions of sovereign economies left in the world (Iraq and Libya just got taken out and conquered by neo-liberal colonists). Iran represents a society standing up to economic colonialism, which by the way enslaves you too if you don't happen to be super rich or high up on the patronage ladder.

But this is the stuff that you will never hear about unless you actually care to learn about it. I only post my opinions here, I don't try to teach anyone. And really, when it comes to politics, you aren't going to even come close to learning what is really going on unless you open your mind and accept that bad things are going on and blaming the "bad guys" for the consequences of the "good guys" only excerbates the problem.

And this problem will blow up in all of our faces because people like you scream bloody murder about Iran. If this was Orwell's 1984, you'd be among the loudest screaming obsceneties during the daily hate minute.

reply to post by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi


Another insight as to what's wrong with universities today! PARENTS BEWARE!!! We've heard these sad stories over and over!

Originally posted by Deetermined
reply to post by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi

 

Another insight as to what's wrong with universities today! PARENTS BEWARE!!! We've heard these sad stories over and over!

edit on 8-11-2011 by Deetermined because: (no reason given)

You're a tool. Educate yourself.

reply to post by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi


It's obvious that you've never been taught anything about Iran.

First, it's clear that you either support Hamas and Hezbollah or you've never learned anything about them.

Secondly, you state that Iran only arrests "real criminals" and the U.S. does not. This was a blatant statement showing your lack of knowledge of what Iran considers to be a criminal.

So, educate yourself.

UMmmmmmmmmmmmmm why exactly don't you want Iran having the bomb??? Only answer I can come up with is that would give them some weight in the world arena and maybe they wouldn't be so easy to walk on. Seems economic to me and that's one s h i t t y ass reason to go to war.

Originally posted by Deetermined
reply to post by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi

 

It's obvious that you've never been taught anything about Iran.

Actually I thoroughly studied Iran from Mosedeqq to the Shah to the 1979 revolution in one of my classes alone. I even wrote a paper comparing Lenin's revolutionary theory to what actually happened during the 1979 revolution; came out with interesting results that really opened my mind to the reality of how revolutions happen.

First, it's clear that you either support Hamas and Hezbollah or you've never learned anything about them.

Hamas is the democratically elected government of the Palestinian territories. This election took place after the US and Israel engaged in a huge media campaign to show how the Palestinians were going to elect in pro-Israeli government... but when Hamas actually won, Israel and the US both condemned Palestinians and declared the democratic elections to be illegitimate. Israel has been hunting and killing members of the democratically-elected Palestinian government ever since (that's terrorism, by the way).

So damn rights I support Hamas.

Hezballah is a militia army in Lebannon. They also have been democratically elected into seats of the Lebannese government. If you knew anything about Israeli assaults on Lebannon, you may learn why Hezballah is supported by the Lebannese (especially since they also double as a line of defense against the IDF).

I support them too, but not necessarily their unnecessary provocation of the IDF that they sometimes carry out.

I'm not really sure why you accuse me of supporting Hamas and Hezballah though. What do they have to do with me supporting Iran? Perhaps you're of simple Hobbesian "all vs all" mentality where it's always a case of all "good guys" vs all "bad guys", hence why you lump Arabs and Persians together as the same force

Secondly, you state that Iran only arrests "real criminals" and the U.S. does not. This was a blatant statement showing your lack of knowledge of what Iran considers to be a criminal.

So you think that American justice is world justice? Iran has a whole different culture, political and judicial system than your's, yet you for some reason criticize them for their laws.

Let me guess, you think they should be invaded to "liberate" Iranians from their own laws and culture, right? CIA/MI6 did that in the 50s; they put the Shah in power who murdered tens of thousands of people with his CIA-created SAVAK secret police force. I've met people who lived in Iran during those times, and they would describe it to be a common occurance to have friends disappear forever if they ever even thought anything perceived to be "leftist". The Shah was a total American proxy and he had no problem killing so many people under American interests. The ironic thing was that right before the 1979 revolution, the Shah turned nationalist and tried to appeal to his own people... except Iranians are not stupid enough to easily forget what interests he represented and did to his country.

If you think Iranians are begging for Americans to come in and liberate them, then you are very ignorant of Iranian history. I think it's funny how you accuse me of not knowing anything about Iran, yet this seems to be your case.

I agree Obama should act.

He should get rid of his own nukes and set an example.

Bit rude to demand someone else is not allowed to have what you have got, no matter how you spin it.

reply to post by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi


You've just proven my case.

You need to look up both charters for Hamas and Hezbollah and read what they stand for.

You need to do your homework on how Iran supports them as well as the Islamic Jihad.

Yes, I do believe the Iranians would love to get rid of Ahmadinejad. Why do you think there was such an uproar after the 2009 elections??!!

You've learned nothing.

One last word of advice. You may want to change your stance on Hamas and Hezbollah before you find yourself on an American terrorist list. Not that it sounds like you care.

Originally posted by Deetermined
Yes, I do believe the Iranians would love to get rid of Ahmadinejad. Why do you think there was such an uproar after the 2009 elections??!!

Because of the extensive anti-Iranian regime clandestine operations being carried out there? CIA supports minority rebels that want to oust the Iranian regime, have even been allowing these rebels to stage attacks from Iraq into Iran from 2004 (source).

One last word of advice. You may want to change your stance on Hamas and Hezbollah before you find yourself on an American terrorist list. Not that it sounds like you care.

Oh yeah, is that a threat?

I'm not scared of your Thought Police. A lot of people know who I am and what I stand for, and taking me out would provoke sh*t tectonics that would invoke a sh*tquake. I am, for all intents and purposes, a civilian only armed with an educated opinion on human affairs. Is this against the law? Because it's not against the 1982 Human Rights and Freedoms Act that guarantees my right to belief. Or do you think that American law applies to Canada and American alphabet agencies have jurisdiction to silence me up here?

Pfft, a threat to label me a terrorist because I don't back Israel and its friends. And you question the liberty of Iranians