Massive Chemtrail Attack: Midwest

Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul

Originally posted by hawaii50th
reply to post by Aloysius the Gaul

 

She probably didn't use the term chem-trails cause it sounds too conspiratorial, and so she avoided that word and I don't blame her if that was her thoughts.

She uses the term "persistent contrails" in her power point, and only associates them with water vapour and combustion pollutants that I can see.

Thats just her trying to look normal and not conspiratorial. "Persistent Jet Contrails" is her way of saying chemtrails. Go to her Agricultural Defense Coalition site or her California Skywatch page and you will see. Just trying to put a veneer of credibility on a silly conspiracy, but you can see right though.

You can put a dress on a pig, but in the end, you still just have a pig.

Originally posted by ProudBird

However, it is very interesting when I listen to the flight traffic controllers for the local airports tell the other planes "Be aware unkown plane XX miles above"

I am well aware of "liveatc.net", and can listen to it and understand it....seems others who are NOT pilots cannot grasp what they hear.

There is NO traffic advisory from ATC that will say anything of the sort, from your quote above!! It's not even the proper phraseology, and it is NEVER, NEVER ever "miles above"!! Never.

I have had advisories like this, usually around the San Fernando Valley, they usually go something "74 Tango, traffic 12 o'clock, heading 030, 2 miles, 5,000 feet, type unknown"

But the only reason that happens is because sometimes small planes flying VFR don't check in with ATC, or are simply in communication with a different center/tower (there's a lot of overlapping airspace here). It shows up on radar, and they tell me if it's a possible collision hazard. 2 miles is the distance away, 5,000 feet is the altitude.

However, you are only going to get that for little (Cessna), slow, low level (

Originally posted by dw31243

Great job Uncinus!

Now just find me those call-signs and tail numbers of those Chemtrail planes on flightaware.com. But wait, the planes that spray those Chemtrails are not commerical traffic but military planes and have no transponders so the we can not track them.

All of those aircraft have transponders, including military aircraft. Mil aircraft are not often included on civilian radar data feeds that you can access however. If military planes had no transponders, then how does air traffic control keep them apart from other aircraft? And obviously, if this aircraft was on flightaware, which it was, it had an FAA IFR flight plan, transponder on, you could even look up the N registration and who owned it, and aircraft type.

You jumped to a conclusion totally based on the appearance of a contrail. All the pertinent information was out there to be easily found..

reply to post by Uncinus


THIS is my point, and why I called the OP on it:

I have had advisories like this, usually around the San Fernando Valley, they usually go something "74 Tango, traffic 12 o'clock, heading 030, 2 miles, 5,000 feet, type unknown"

And....ATC doesn't always give you the heading of unknowns (since, they cannot know it)....but, will of course give a "clock" direction, relative to you. They can, however, see the general course the unknown target is on....and traffic advisories of that nature are something they are supposed to do, when time permits.....

The "miles" reference, when ATC informs you of traffic, is ALWAYS a horizontal range reference...NOT an altitude reference. ANY altitude reference is given in feet units. ALWAYS....and that only IF KNOWN!

For instance...YOU may be on an IFR flight plan, and talking to ATC.....an airplane NOT in contact with ATC, who is operating VFR, may be squawking 1200, and have Mode C (which reports the altitude). But, ATC, when giving the traffic advisory, must say that the VFR airplane, and its displayed Mode C altitude, is "unverified".

Mode C can be wrong......for many reasons....could always be a malfunction. This is why, when you are IFR, you ALWAYS must, when checking in to a new controller, verbally verify your altitude with him/her. He/she then verifies it, on the radar data block on his/her screen. (IF you fail to do this, you WILL be asked, by the controller....it is procedure).

If you are climbing or descending, you report the altitude you are currently at, and the altitude assignment given in the last clearance by the previous controller...it is a "double-check" of sorts, and keeps everyone on the same page.....

reply to post by Essan


The chemtrails one always baffles me, we do regular pollution tests to check if air quality is safe an even issue smog warnings to help Asthma sufferers.. So it doesn't fit..

What is more likely is that inadvertently pesticides have been causing us damage for many years, so the chemtrail myth is introduced to create fear of something more extreme so when the reality of the danger of pesticides is exposed, it seems a lesser crime and we have already been desensitized to it..
I think this is done with many conspiracies, they are taken to the extreme end, so when the reality is revealed we are not as shocked.

Guys focus on pesticides !! You will find real evidence, real damage and something equally as shocking as what you believe is happening with chemtrails !

Pesticides the real reason cancer rates have increased ! Get on this !

Originally posted by tsurfer2000h

Just wondering where you hear these public masses talk about chemtrails?

Also what deadly chemicals are we being sprayed with?

And yes contrails are common, but more in the colder months.

A force acts upon the narrator (such as yourself) of each story (the story that chemtrails don't exist) even though each refuses to acknowledge the possibility of its existence, or its existence within themselves (Chemtrails do actually exist within you).

This is a beautiful example of the sense of humor and irony of how the world works. Chemtrails is the New world Order making war on us and dictating terms of peace at the cannon's mouth. Only the Cannon in the 21st century has been replaced with spray nozzles 'Strange and ingenius' out of Jetliners.

reply to post by MarkScheppy


Except no-one has ever managed to actually find any of these spray nozzles on jet liners - have you any evidence they exist at all??

Originally posted by ProudBird
reply to post by caladonea

 

.....they were a crowd full of apathy.

Or, did it not occur to you that they were in fact a "crowd full of" intelligence and education? A "crowd" of people who understood the science of contrails? And, using that intellect and life experience and knowledge, find the notion of "chem"trails just as absurd as all other educated people?

statistically impossible
talk about reaching

but then again contrailers exhibit all the symptoms of religious fanaticism
and guilty consciences

lol they're like junkies caught red handed that think if they screech "IT'S NOT TRUE!!!!IT'S NOT TRUE!!!!
long enough and loud enough, that through hypnoid repetition,
sane people will be hypnotized into believing them.

reminds me of old "science" books with scientific proof of the intellectual inferiority of negros, all laid out with measurements, tables, and graphs.

or anti-abortionists insisting that an egg is a full grown chicken

To the poster from Southern Ontario,I am in Southern Ontario as well and I have had the opportunity to take a bunch of pics lately. I even ran everything through the flight software and they were not to be found on 2 separate programs that do register in my part of Canada. I know this because the planes register way north of me all the way to Quebec city sometimes.

They said some areas don't register. That doesn't make sense because the other ones registered in that area, so why wouldn't the 10 freaking planes I saw show?

I just went along with it. It was fun to watch them wiggle.

"Oh, some planes don't show then I guess"

Like these ones.

reply to post by Corruption Exposed


Those are all perfectly normal contrails, seen 'em all of my life.

Are you sure you understand how to use the various flight tracking sites properly? Are you aware of how to interpret them, and to relate to what you see as airplanes pass overhead, or downrange from your location, compared to where they are on a map orientation, as shown from a "top-down" view.

Like this one:

flightaware.com...


Because, I can use FlightAware, for example, and easily identify the airplanes, and relate them to the contrails formed. It isn't difficult, but then, I have decades of experience in aviation, and the ability to interpret maps and think in three dimensions.......

reply to post by Corruption Exposed


You do realise that the contrails you were seeing weren't from aircraft flying overhead but in some cases from those on flight paths maybe hundreds of miles away? The horizon is not next door.

Here in the middle of England I can often see contails from aircraft over Ireland.

reply to post by DerepentLEstranger


Strawman arguments are not a suitable alternative for having any evidence for your pet paranoia. It would be more useful if you could actually prove your point.

reply to post by Essan


Sorry I must have forgot to mention that I could see up to 5 planes in the sky at a time forming these trails. You're saying I can see these planes from hundreds of miles away? These planes were visible to the naked eye.

I know there are some trails that may have been the "far" ones you just mentioned but there were times where there were at least 5 visible planes in the air while only one was showing on the programs you guys told me about, and the ones showing on the programs you told me about were not close either.

I would have better pictures to help explain my observation but as you can see in my first pic I had to a fence post to block out the sun. I couldn't manage to capture any pictures of anything to the left of that spot at that time.

I had to make due with taking pictures that were visible at the time with my cell phone. I wish conditions were better for me to take pictures to help explain what I saw instead of you having to take my word for it.

Originally posted by waynos
reply to post by DerepentLEstranger

 

Strawman arguments are not a suitable alternative for having any evidence for your pet paranoia. It would be more useful if you could actually prove your point.

no need for me to do so you are doing quite a good job with your actions/posts proving it yourself
never mind your use of ad hominem just now

Originally posted by Corruption Exposed
reply to post by Essan

 

Sorry I must have forgot to mention that I could see up to 5 planes in the sky at a time forming these trails. You're saying I can see these planes from hundreds of miles away? These planes were visible to the naked eye.

The horizon from 30,000 feet is about 210 miles away IIRC (assuming the land is flat of course) - and a bit further at high altitudes.

If contrails are a bit low in the sky then likely they're well over 100 miles away.

Originally posted by DerepentLEstranger
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but then again contrailers exhibit all the symptoms of religious fanaticism
and guilty consciences

got any actual evidence to support that??

lol they're like junkies caught red handed that think if they screech "IT'S NOT TRUE!!!!IT'S NOT TRUE!!!!

long enough and loud enough, that through hypnoid repetition,
sane people will be hypnotized into believing them.

Hmm...well usually "IT'S NOT TRUE" is backed up with factual reasons why it's not true - sot it's not actually the cry itself that is the argument - it is the evidence that is the argument.

reminds me of old "science" books with scientific proof of the intellectual inferiority of negros, all laid out with measurements, tables, and graphs.

....and it could be examined and eventually found false - which is what has always happened so far to "evidence" of the existence of chemtrails - when examined it is found false.

So it seems to me your attempt to paint rational and scientific examination of the evidence as some sort of screaming match might be a little about face.

reply to post by DerepentLEstranger

You know full well I was addressing the nature of your post. Please let's not go down this road, the Chemtrail case is weak enough without derailing the thread.

Originally posted by Corruption Exposed
Sorry I must have forgot to mention that I could see up to 5 planes in the sky at a time forming these trails. You're saying I can see these planes from hundreds of miles away? These planes were visible to the naked eye.

What angle from the horizontal are the planes relative to you. i.e., if you sight the plane along a pencil what is the any between the pencil and the ground? To calculate the horizontal distance to the plane, a good rule of thumb is 7/tan(angle). So for 20 degrees it's 19 miles, and for 10 degrees it's 40 miles, for 5 degrees it's 80 miles. You can use that to narrow down planes that are not directly overhead.

reply to post by MarkScheppy

A force acts upon the narrator (such as yourself) of each story (the story that chemtrails don't exist) even though each refuses to acknowledge the possibility of its existence, or its existence within themselves (Chemtrails do actually exist within you).

This is a beautiful example of the sense of humor and irony of how the world works. Chemtrails is the New world Order making war on us and dictating terms of peace at the cannon's mouth. Only the Cannon in the 21st century has been replaced with spray nozzles 'Strange and ingenius' out of Jetliners.

Okay I see you won't answer my questions which are very easy to answer, so if you decide to answer the questions I will be here to see your answers.

Originally posted by waynos
reply to post by DerepentLEstranger

... without derailing the thread.

you're doing a fine job of that too

me, i've already taken steps to protect myself from these things...

ignorance and especially the willfull kind is it's own punishment