"Alcohol-The cause AND solution to all of lifes problems"I think it should be banned!

Whether people like it or not our societies would be less violent without alcahol and there'd be less accidental death caused by it, this is an undeniable fact. I repeat, an undeniable fact. With that in mind I don't know why the op is being scorned for his views. I like a bit of a drink and enjoy it but no one can reasonably deny the havoc that drink causes, if you do then you're in denial.

Originally posted by Hawkwind.
Whether people like it or not our societies would be less violent without alcahol and there'd be less accidental death caused by it, this is an undeniable fact. I repeat, an undeniable fact. With that in mind I don't know why the op is being scorned for his views. I like a bit of a drink and enjoy it but no one can reasonably deny the havoc that drink causes, if you do then you're in denial.

I disagree. Alcohol is a depressant. It is also a social lubricant. Its also to some a stress reliever.

so as a depressant is calms certain people down. That is after it moves from a stimulant upon first consumption

as a social lubricant is allows certain people the courage to talk to other members of society they are interested in or do things they would not have the courage to to do.

And as a stress reliever... well.. you get the picture.

No don't get me wrong this can go both ways. I do not believe alcohol is to blame but more the over consumption of such. If every one could learn and stay within their limits things would be better. And another way to go about this is instead of taking more things away, why not make it so in the occasion when this does happen we have other option instead of going to jail. Such as hotels next to bars. Cabs specially for drunk people. Some people will be encouraged by this though. So you see its a no win situation either way you look at it. But I would rather have the option to consume such beverages than go through prohibition. Look what it has done all the other drugs.

The key word in all of this RESPONSIBILITY. If people can learn it, live and own up to it the world would be a much better place even with alcohol still roaming around in the different glasses available.

Originally posted by scoobdude
I disagree. Alcohol is a depressant. It is also a social lubricant. Its also to some a stress reliever.

so as a depressant is calms certain people down. That is after it moves from a stimulant upon first consumption

as a social lubricant is allows certain people the courage to talk to other members of society they are interested in or do things they would not have the courage to to do.

And as a stress reliever... well.. you get the picture.

I'm not saying it's all bad, otherwise I wouldn't drink myself. Surely you're not disagreeing that there would be less destruction if alcohol wasn't available though? Just look at the stats for alcohol related crimes and accidents. Your comment on responsibility is right but it's going to be a long time before humanity grows up and in the meantime we're having to put up with idiots who drink drive and idiots who get violent after a bevvi. Bit of a no win situation at present.

Paradigms. This whole western culture is designed on paradoxes that help keep it the way it is. We gave them the power because we think we cannot live without them. North America is the most poisoned continent in the entire world poisoned in our bodies and minds hopefully we discover or something at least saves us or we save ourselves.

So yeah don't believe the hype man. Just sort your own chicken noodle soup out. You don't have to complicate your own life by trying to understand a why if your not willing to be a lateral thinker and allow certain truths through. The construction of people is built on the lying paradigms staged when we are children. So deeply rooted we just subconsciously accept it even though we know something is wrong. Your children don't need to believe in supernatural deities like the easter bunny and santa clause instead be honest and forthcoming about it. If they want to believe in magic then show them quantum physics and new age spirituality.

Those two new things is between the left and right brain and not so burried in fact or superstition. Find a middle point and tether yourself to it.

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I am surrounded by alcoholics and the drinking is just the symptom. They have issues they need to deal with and they cover them up with alcohol. If alcohol was banned, there would just be another vice to fill the void.

Banning alcohol would only make it go underground, like during the prohibition times 1920-1933. Being harder to get like street drugs are, it would create more desperation and put the dollars into criminals hands... Sorry, alcohol is already being peddled by criminals anyway. In my city specifically, we spend $23.00 on a case of beer made up the street from me, while the same beer is sent to the US at half the cost to citizens there. Moosehead is the brand. Personally, my experiences with alcohol have been terrible for years, resulting in many problems. I understand that I have been responsible for my actions through alcoholism, but I would like to see it banned from myself at least. It's a difficult situation because many people have great deals of responsible fun on the stuff, and another great deal commit terrible acts while intoxicated. I suppose it is just as a previous poster said regarding blaming the car manufacturer or gunsmith. I'm neutral, but I do believe that alcohol should possibly be kept under more control, such as in cases where someone has a background of abusive tendencies. Perhaps red flag certain people ? I'm not sure I've contributed much here.

Originally posted by Hawkwind.
Whether people like it or not our societies would be less violent without alcahol and there'd be less accidental death caused by it, this is an undeniable fact. I repeat, an undeniable fact. With that in mind I don't know why the op is being scorned for his views. I like a bit of a drink and enjoy it but no one can reasonably deny the havoc that drink causes, if you do then you're in denial.

True. And you can't deny that there would be less death and destruction if cars were made illegal. Or sports. Or Detroit.

It's a stretch to say that it would be a significant change.

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Thanks man! I couldn't for the life of me remember the name of that for some reason.

Originally posted by AllUrChips

Yeah lets put the coroners and cops out of a job too, and the judges, yeah lets put you all out of a job........Is it all about you or what?

Really? That's all you've got? Did you notice how it was, in fact, about everyone in the industry, not just me? I doubt - nay, I know- cops, coroners, and judges wouldn't be out of a job. No comment on the personal responsibility? Or the "people also hurt each other without booze" thing.

It's obvious what your plan here was,after looking over this thread.

1. State poorly (or not at all) researched theory as to the worlds ills, then demand it be made illegal.
2. Spend some time rewording the same statement, but never expanding on it, when people begin asking questions.
3. Be COMPLETELY asinine to anyone critical of your "final solution", until those critics leave in disgust.
4. Bask in your "victory"

Well, good luck with that.

Originally posted by AllUrChips
Ok, I am going to try and discuss this subject again as I am VERY passionate about this subject. PLEASE NO ILLICIT DRUG TALK!!!!! I do not want them to take down the thread. So basically, I have a theory as to why this toxic poison is legal? Now please, save your immature defenses of alcohol I understand that its fun and all and alot of people can handle themselves, however, its very deadly and has horribly destructive consequences on every level of society. From the homeless man on the corner, to the high level exec who kills someone in an auto accident, to the middle class man that beats his wife and kids all because of this legal TAXABLE poison. My theory is that it is legal because it helps keep people just drinkin the stress away, and raises unimagineable amounts of revenue. Most crimes happen because of alcohol. It keeps cops employed and cities make money off of the court costs and especially in the DUI department. But at what cost? All the lives lost, families broken, abused children and spouses. If not for money, it would not be legal. Anyhow, Ill take my lashings now

PS the title comes from the very wise Homer J. Simpson-

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I don't understand why diluted corn alcohol is legal for consumption.

Its a poison. Its a solvent. Its habit forming.

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its the world worst drug worse than anyother combined

Originally posted by RedGod

True. And you can't deny that there would be less death and destruction if cars were made illegal. Or sports. Or Detroit.

Not a relevant argument, a predictable comeback, but not relevant by a long shot and I'll tell you why. Driving can make people angry and so can sports and accidents do happen, death can occur from them but the level of destruction to society from those two examples is purely minimal in comparison to alcohol's effects. By your logic you're saying that if one thing is dangerous but allowed then everything dangerous should be allowed, that's flawed as it's the effects of the 'thing' on society that counts and should be judged upon.

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Why comment then if you're 'tired of all the idiots'- if you won't even attempt to argue your case then your point is even more worthless than when you did.

Maybe you could cater to a few of us and go back to basics. Not sensationalised emotional stuff, but why you think it would be a positive step.
Maybe even chronologically.

Why would prohibition of alcohol be far more successful now than previously?

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They tried making it illegal once and it did not work. It was illegal for the law abiding people, but available to anybody who paid enough and who worked outside of the law. Anything that happens like a drunk driver killing a person or a man abusing his family is that person's fault, not the alcohol's fault. If that person cannot control themselves and overdrinks, again, that's not the alcohol's fault. There's something else wrong besides the alcohol that would make a person drink so much to where they are drunk when they drive and do not care if they kill somebody, or a man who drinks and abuses his family. Find the reason and solve the problem. The alcohol is only a symptom.

Originally posted by AllUrChips

Originally posted by TKDRL
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It's funny how so many people think everyone needs to be controlled and punished for the lowest common denominator people. Because some tiny percent of weakminded fools destroy their lives, no one should get to have it! On that note gambling, videogames, junkfood, and a whole other host of things weakminded fools get "addicted" to and destroy their lives over should also be banned. Pathetic....

How would you feel if some drunk killed your child while he was driving?
2nd line.
It has nothing to do with the effect on the weak minded drunk you get it now?
4th line.

Well then why not just ban automobiles? That way nobody will ever get killed by a drunk driver. Of course a person would feel awful if their wife and kid were killed by a drunk driver. But banning alcohol isn't the answer. That was tried before and it did not work.

I agree with you very much OP but if you take it away people will be angry. America isnt a publicly fascist society, people get what people want, usually.

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'been there... done that...
study history.. it was called PROHIBITION...

reply to post by Hawkwind.


And exactly what are alcohol's effects on "society" that are so much more damaging than anything else? For that matter, how are you defining "society? At what scale? If if the number of fathers, for the sake of argument, who are capable of having a drink or two at night without beating their wives or children is greater than the number of those who are not capable of keeping their violence at bay (which is the case, btw), why sway in the direction of the minority for the needs of the whole?

Lots of folks don't need liquor to get violent, or drive like an octopus. Its a convenient excuse/scapegoat, and resorting to it shows a sad lack of responsibility and thought.