"Alcohol-The cause AND solution to all of lifes problems"I think it should be banned!

reply to post by AllUrChips


If I go out drinking tonight, afterwards go jump in my truck, and drive home isn't that my choice? No one made me drink so I would assume that I would be held accountable for my actions. If my son were killed by a drunk driver then should I be mad at the alcohol or the driver who DECIDED to drink it?

Alcohol has destroyed countless lives and will continue to destroy them. Until we all start making better decisions will it not do so.

Originally posted by AllUrChips
Ok, I am going to try and discuss this subject again as I am VERY passionate about this subject. PLEASE NO ILLICIT DRUG TALK!!!!! I do not want them to take down the thread. So basically, I have a theory as to why this toxic poison is legal? Now please, save your immature defenses of alcohol I understand that its fun and all and alot of people can handle themselves, however, its very deadly and has horribly destructive consequences on every level of society. From the homeless man on the corner, to the high level exec who kills someone in an auto accident, to the middle class man that beats his wife and kids all because of this legal TAXABLE poison. My theory is that it is legal because it helps keep people just drinkin the stress away, and raises unimagineable amounts of revenue. Most crimes happen because of alcohol. It keeps cops employed and cities make money off of the court costs and especially in the DUI department. But at what cost? All the lives lost, families broken, abused children and spouses. If not for money, it would not be legal. Anyhow, Ill take my lashings now

PS the title comes from the very wise Homer J. Simpson-

edit on 1-11-2011 by AllUrChips because: (no reason given)

"And I thought that when I behave badly it was my own fault. But now I can blame the alcohol."

Your post is devoid of the subject of personal responsibility.

-rrr

Originally posted by ModerateSkeptic
reply to post by MajorKarma

 

Offtopic: What I don't get is, why is the world so tough on smokers ? Smoking is banned here and there, but alcohol is much more free. Seems unfair to me.

Could have something to do with the fact that smoke has an environmental impact in the near space of the smoker, while alcohol, unless the drinker is splashing it around, does not.

-rrr

Yes.. let's outlaw alcohol, along with guns, cars, swimming, motorcycles, hand gliding, scuba diving, and anything else that is recreational or fun, if it causes deaths. That makes good sense.

Lots of things cause death. As seen, one guy with some guns can cause a lot more death than drunk drivers. Clearly, all guns should be outlawed!

Obesity is absolutely as bad as being drunk. You are delusional if you don't think a FAT mom and dad feeding their kids junk food until they resemble beach balls, causes as many issues in their lives. Probably more. Diabetes, social misfits, it can affect their health, careers.. their entire lives. Just because a drunk driver causes a very obvious death, doesn't mean other habits don't kill or maim in very real ways as well. Clearly fast food joints should all be closed, and all processed foods taken off store shelves. They are quite evil.

reply to post by AllUrChips


I need a drink now, quit your wining and we can lique this. Let's give it a shot.

You're entitled to your thoughts/beliefs and so am I. I don't impose my "NO PANT POLICY" on you...

Originally posted by darkredfish

Originally posted by NorwegianTruthHunter
Hi! You know that Homer Simpson is just a fiction, right? And while you are in the mood, why don't ban tobacco as vell! Think of it, poisening your children and giving them cancer! OOOH my god! It's horrible! And just ban Soda as well, you get fat and diabetes.. And ban cold weather, you get ill.. And ban water! YOU COULD DROWN!

(i cant believe you people, banning everything. Because it COULD be dangurous)

Remember guys: Always wear a helmet, the sky could fall down!

Cheers

How about we all just eat nutrition packs in padded rooms?

Yes, how about that! That would solve all the world problems! You are such a genius!

haha, illegalize alcohol.. What a moron..

I have had problems with alcohol and used to think it should be made illegal but that wouldn't solve much. There are plenty of illegal substances already easily availible and if you want them they are.not hard to find. Alcohol would become a huge profit maker for dealers and you would get lot's of dealers because of the attraction of that easy profit and the amount of people that would need that drink. Thus, more desperate criminals. At the end of the day it's about choice, if you've got an alcohol problem that is affecting your life and behavior choose to seek help. The biggest thing for me is educating the young about the dangers of drink on body and mind and not to use it to try and mask problems in your life ( in all aspects of life ie.confidence) because believe me it's a big endless circle of pain. And eventually you may find you can't control your drinking.

I can't even believe some of the replies here. I always thought this community would be hold liberty in high esteem. I guess I'm wrong. I digress, I will not go into the alcohol in terms of personal liberty and prohibition etc etc. We all know about it. But one thing I did not see posted and I think is probably of the utmost importance is that civilization would not be here if it weren't for alcohol. How so? Let me elaborate...

The invention/discovery of alcohol predates history. Infact, the oldest written document is a recipe for beer. Most anthropologists would say beer and wine fueled our progress. The neolithic revolution was not for bread, it was for beer! Humans discovered if some grains or fruit was left in water and set out for a little bit, you got a drinkable concoction! It was magic to them. As said before, alcohol acts also as an antiseptic. In modern days, its different, but for most of human history people drank out of NEED. The wine or beer was cleaner than any water source they could find. Watered down beer or wine was given to children to drink back in the day and still is in alot of europe! People didn't view alcohol as something to get drunk off of, they saw it as a suplement to their meals, to the day. Monks brew their own beer and drink it when they fast. Alcohol is so embedded in our culture that I don't even understand why people seek to destroy it. Most people don't even know that those who drink actually live longer than those who don't. And no, I'm not talking about that "moderation" crap where you drink like a few glasses of wine a week, a few drinks a day will leave you healthier than a person who doesn't drink (No I'm not talking about getting sh!tfaced). Without that tasty beverage with those funny effects, none of us would be here to even discuss it.

This isn't a plea to get people to drink or whatever. People will drink and people will not. There was this study where they looked at a group of monkeys that had access to alcohol in the wild. They noticed that the monkeys acted very similiar to us in terms of monkeys that abuse, monkeys that drink moderate, and monkeys that don't drink at all. Infact, the percentage of monkeys that didn't drink at all was the same as humans. But what I am trying to say is that alcohol is a part of our lives and culture and as others have pointed out, the cultures that have banned alcohol seem to be in more rough shape than we are, so it really isn't the alcohol. It's the person. Some people can handle it, and if they can, more power to you. If you can't, be repsonsible and save yourself the trouble. I can honestly say I drink a good amount but I don't think it is an issue. I have never heard ever from anyone about how I act obnoxious, how I act violent and want to fight when I get drunk. It is quite the opposite, most people say I'm extremely relaxed when I drink. I don't yell or do anything stupid (silly is different), I get lethargic and I am a naturally paranoid person. But some of my friends can't maintain themselves. I have friends who once they hit the bottle, close the door because they aren't stopping all night. It all just depends on the person.

And to all the homebrewers out there, keep on brewing. I know I love my homebrew wine. If someone wants to pm some recipes that would be cool.

reply to post by AllUrChips


Yes also lets ban all fatty foods and drinks like sodas that have too much sugar.

Please! Banning alcohol is the first step to the state policing what we can and can't eat and drink. Its MY choice what I put in my body. Personally I don't drink much and am focusing on getting fit, but I still think people should be allowed its their choice. Like smoking. I hate smoking and don't like being around smokers, but I tolerate it because I accept other people enjoy smoking and its their right to smoke if they want to.

Also what happened last time it was banned hey? You really want drug dealers to become even more powerful by making alcohol illegal? They will step in to fill the demand. This argument really is a poorly thought out one and its almost always non drinkers who seem angry at drinkers who go out and seem to be having more fun despite hurting their health, which is THEIR choice!

reply to post by rickyrrr


Perfectly said, Alcohol doesn't make people beat their wives etc, that behaviour is already there. My dad was an awful alcoholic and had huge, unbelievable fights with my mum when I was little. He never hit her though because he would never have hit her. If someone uses drink as an excuse they are lying to themselves because that isn't true, you still know right and wrong when you are drunk.

Although I don't agree with the O.P. there are people posting on here about how they can't believe that some people posting aren't thinking of our liberty's in there opinion that alcohol should be illegal. O.K. heroin, crack, meth, weed they are all illegal. Should they be made legal? It's a fact that while most drugs will ruin your looks alcohol will kill you faster. That's if you don't overdose of course.

We've tried this already. It was called Prohibition, and it was a terrible idea. It was a major factor in the rise of an entire criminal syndicate. These criminals ran the booze black market with an iron fist and a lot of people were killed, amongst other things.

In short: Prohibition. It was a horrible idea.

..And people got alcohol, anyway.

Is it your choice what you put in your body? Most people don't know what is in preservatives and the other chemical.names on the ingredients list on the back of your microwave meal.

reply to post by muzzleflash


Hypothetical question / Thought experiment : Imagine a pill that made you feel amazing, was highly addictive after just one use and had no harmful effects on the body but caused a temporary urge to become a serial killer. The urge was stronger than the urge to pull your hand away if it was placed on a hot iron, and as a result many people who took the pill were becoming murderers.

Should this pill be made illegal? Even if only a small percentage of the users succumbed to the urge?

Now I'm not comparing alcohol to this made up pill or any other drugs for that matter but it raises a question as to whether harmful substances should be banned. I know prohibition hasn’t worked in the past and we now have a massive criminal industry because of so many drugs being made illegal. But how bad does something have to be before it is banned?

I personally think certain drugs should be legalised but some others should not. It’s a tough one.

As a side not I’d like to share with you a sad story. My brother, 38, died a year ago from acute alcohol poisoning. He was a big guy who could handle his drink. He broke up with his girlfriend of 15 years and then started drinking heavily, very heavily. He said the drinking stopped him from having panic attacks which he had been having for a long time. One morning after drinking a bottle of vodka (something which he had done before) he went to sleep and never woke again.

I’m still not sure if should be banned but I don’t think you can say no substance should be banned what so ever.

Peace

I have run pubs all over the UK and I have seen the worse that booze can do to people, BUT I have also seen people having such a good time
Guys who act all macho but after a beer hugging each other saying " I love you bro" and the other says "No No No I love you!"
Booze is great as long as you don't let it take over your life and you are a happy drunk.

A tip if you do get a bit scary when drunk change your drink to something that doesn't have preservatives in.

Here in the UK we drink Stella and a nickname for it was "wife beater" because people acted silly on it, and at the time it was brewed in the UK and they added a load of chemicals to it so it lasted longer.
Now it is all brewed in Belgium and they have purity laws so nothing un-natural goes in it, I did notice that people didn't go bonkers on it.
To the OP ban booze? nah we have been drinking it for 1000's of years and as an Englishman its in my blood.

Another fact us Euro's couldnt get decent water a couple of hundred years ago, so used the water to make beer which was safer than drinking just water, when kid,s worked down the pit or went to the mill's they were given two pints of "small beer" a very weak beer 2% but it was packed with vitamins.

reply to post by AllUrChips



How many responsible drinker vs. irresponsible drinkers do you think there are?
People who destroy their lives can do it with or without substance abuse.

They already tried alcohol prohibition once, and it was organized crime that benefited most.

I get high by taking walks in the mountains (or sliding down). Whether it's the cardiovascular workout releasing endorphins or just the beauty that gets me high, I don't know and I don't care.

People die doing it everyday in its various forms because all it takes is a slip or misstep. There are always those who want to stop us from getting high in this manner.

I don't mind paying for my own rescue or if I'm just left to die.

Your corporations don't own me and I owe none of you anything except that which I choose to give.

It's my choice, take that away and you already killed me.

Peace and tranquility is what I give and all I ask.

reply to post by AllUrChips

From the homeless man on the corner, to the high level exec who kills someone in an auto accident, to the middle class man that beats his wife and kids all because of this legal TAXABLE poison

I am so happy that it is banned in Islam and specially in my country , Iran. I mean , it's a crime and there are punishments for using and abusing alcohol. Anything that makes you tendentious to using your control is strictly banned in Islam.

Originally posted by OathKeeper

Live free or die. You attempt to force upon us your judgments and your ethics while we only encourage everyone to make their own choices. Be it suicide by the bottle or jumping off a bridge. Cause no harm to your fellow man and live free!

edit on 2-11-2011 by OathKeeper because: Addition

I'm not judging anyone, just defending the idea that alcohol is pointless and boring from my perspective. I don't wait for anything either, "Nirvana" as you call it is here, now, present in the moment. Not in some abstract afterlife. And I'm not forcing anything. I don't particularly care what you do. I live with pot smokers, drinkers and meat eaters and it doesn't phase me one iota. I cooked one of them turkey meatballs the other night because he didn't know how.

You say "live free" but you're obviously not free because you are a slave to all these pleasures which "you can give up whenever you want to" but never will, because in reality you can't.

Whew!

Thank goodness we have a Constitution.

Now, if we could just apply it more logically and not so emotionally...