Judge William Adams beats daughter for using the Internet

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These people are weirdos and should be locked up for 20 years

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Oh please, you cry babies get on my last nerve. Maybe you should help pass laws for the government to put cameras in all childrens rooms eih? This is why humanity is going to hell in a hand basket. Teenagers are out of control and when the get the belt, the bleeding hearts want to raise a big stink about it. Well she wanted to ruin her fathers life and she has succeeded. Happy now?

Originally posted by Sherlock Holmes

Originally posted by gncnew
Parents are responsible for the actions of their kids - but adults are not responsible for the actions of other adults.... this is why we have parental rights.

Parents are responsible for the actions of their children, but they are not the authority who decides how they can or can't discipline their children. Children aren't property. Parents don't own their children. What's acceptable and non-acceptable treatment of a child is defined and authorised by society as a whole, not the parents.

If you logically follow the backward-ass arguments espoused by a staggeringly large number of posters on this thread, then it's perfectly ''acceptable'' for a parent to rape their child, if they decided that was the best ''correctional'' method. After all, it's not the gubmint's job to tell you how to raise your child, is it ?

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More twisted lies to back up anti-parent agenda.

The LAW in Texas says it's ok to whip your kid with a belt.

No nation on Earth has a law making it ok to rape people for entertainment.

Originally posted by Magantice
reply to post by LeoVirgo

 

Oh please, you cry babies get on my last nerve. Maybe you should help pass laws for the government to put cameras in all childrens rooms eih? This is why humanity is going to hell in a hand basket. Teenagers are out of control and when the get the belt, the bleeding hearts want to raise a big stink about it. Well she wanted to ruin her fathers life and she has succeeded. Happy now?

I honestly believe those out of control teens are the loudest criers denouncing corporal punishment.

That's my opinion though, I cannot prove it. Just a hunch.

A pity to see how many uneducated, uncivilized and sick people in here are in favor of corporal punishment.

One short sentence:

the monkey paradigm

Read up...

I am utterly disgusted by you people who think that what he did is ok and serves as any kind of "teaching" for this girl. Corporal punishment belongs in the dark ages along with the under-human mindset that fosters these kinds of parental ideas of upbringing.
You are the reason that kids grow up thinking violence can be ok under some circumstances, you are the reason why another generation will bring up their own kids by force instead of compassion and dialog.

You are degrading not only yourself but the community around you to a level we have only recently just seen in fx China with the little girl being run over by a car.... that is who you are, this is what you are teaching the kids you beat up, is a natural way to behave.

Once you raise your fist you're not only signaling failure in a parental fashion, you are also exhibiting utter lack of ideas of how to handle a situation of mild conflict. I'd hate to see how you react once you meet real resistance or conflict.

SHAME ON YOU!

While I don't mean two wrongs creates a right, I sincerely hope these two failures of parenting will serve as examples of how NOT to treat your children and start a new dialog within communities that hopefully will erase ridiculous laws like the one cited on one of the first pages. That shall be no room for interpretation...

Learn to bring up your children in a caring civilized fashion, learn to understand them and their feelings, you fearful disgusting pieces of human beings you are.

It's terrifying that this men have decided and have power of many other faiths on people over the years. Ex:
He
can take another person's child away in a custody dispute simply because he thinks someone is an unfit parent.

Originally posted by OzTruth

Don't bother trying to tell me anything I do not support child abuse like this, and if you hit you're children in any way then you shouldn't be a father....

Wow... like I said - judgmental... "Don't bother to tell me anything..." boy THAT doesn't sound like inviting in ignorance...

and "if you hit your child in any way..."

Extremes are the tool of the uneducated and those with an inability to reason.

By your logic if you've ever committed a traffic violation you should not be allowed to drive. Or if you've ever stolen something you shouldn't be allowed in stores.

Or if you've ever broken a girls heart you shouldn't be allowed to date or get married...

Or if you've ever worn a bad outfit you shouldn't be able to shop for clothes anymore.

You're dramatic and obtuse because you simply don't want to look at the subject from a rational and objective point of view that in any way humanizes the person you're angry at....

How every "enlightened" of you.

Originally posted by Magantice
reply to post by LeoVirgo

 

Oh please, you cry babies get on my last nerve. Maybe you should help pass laws for the government to put cameras in all childrens rooms eih? This is why humanity is going to hell in a hand basket. Teenagers are out of control and when the get the belt, the bleeding hearts want to raise a big stink about it. Well she wanted to ruin her fathers life and she has succeeded. Happy now?

You miss the point. Beeing beaten clearly did not make her become a responsible adult full of respect and love towards her father. The fact that she publishes the tape now, to spoil the re-election of her father as a judge, shows that being beaten left her with nothing else than hatred for him. Releasing the tape after hiding it for 7 years to get revenge on her father isn´t exactly what i would call being kind and controlled.
In other words: Beating the crap out of her didn´t achieve anything than ruining the family ties.

Originally posted by muzzleflash

Originally posted by Realtruth

Originally posted by gncnew

And you don't think an elected official would stand to lose their job if they were sued for illegally downloading music? Hmmm, maybe you should go into politics?

Two wrongs doesn't make a right.

If police would have witnessed this act and they would have followed the "Domestic Violence Protocol" for arrest, then this judge would have a Felony at worst, high misdemeanor best case.

Either way he would have lost his job.

I have posted the law already, it's not illegal in Texas. He broke no laws technically.

According to Chapter 261 of the Family Code (recodified in 1995), child abuse is an act or omission that endangers or impairs a child’s physical, mental or emotional health and development. Child abuse may take the form of physical or emotional injury, sexual abuse, sexual exploitation, physical neglect, medical neglect, or inadequate supervision. The law specifically excludes “reasonable” discipline by the child’s parent, guardian, or conservator; corporal punishment is not in itself abusive under the law. An act or omission is abusive only if “observable and material impairment” occurs as a result, or if it causes “substantial harm,” or exposes the child to risk of substantial harm.

official source

Muzzle this is how your are interpreting the law.

This won't hold up in court, trust me on this one. My experience 7 plus years of law enforcement.

The key word is "Reasonable" here, and I would wager on experience this is not going to be view as reasonable.

The child, in this situation would most likely undergo a full psych eval, additional past history, and the evidence such as this tape would be presented in court.

The results would be, the parents are doing time worst case, and/or losing custody of the child.

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Teens are out of control for different reasons. It's not because there aren't enough parents belting then black and blue regularly.

Some reasons may be,

1) Parents do not spend enough time with their children because of work commitments.

2) Music and culture of today seems to portray a gangster culture as cool

3) Parents expect the government to do the parenting for them.

etc. etc. etc.

Originally posted by SaturnFX
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ultimately it is a sliding scale, I say 7 because typically at that age, they start having favorite things, be it games, going outside, etc etc that are more effective and teaches them consequences without the need for violence.

at 16, they only see the person as a bully and monster..and how not to be as an adult...it teaches the exact opposite of what they are going for.

I don't believe in spanking children...if you do that, then you failed somehow...now, spanking babys/toddlers..well, not spanking but rather attention type moves (hell, even a loud bang on something to startle them works) is required until they develop a bit further.

I don't often judge parents...if someone gives their 10 year old a well deserved spanking for something intentionally malice ridden (beating up some little kid at school for example), well, that is their decision..I would try to be more creative, and perhaps ultimately more cruel..such as lessons in humility over pain endurance, but I wont condemn their lack of originality...but this guy beat his pretty much adult daughter for playing a computer game...or telling mom to f off when she was playing it, either way..the punishment seems quite easy..remove the offending device and other forms of entertainment until she learns...not beat up the person.

and the next issue I have (and perhaps the biggest)..the father hit in anger...never hit any kid in anger...take 10 minutes...take a shower, go for a walk, and then do whatever with a clear and sympathetic tone...this resonates far more with kids when they see it not as some enraged beast with a belt, but a calm and loving person simply giving the punishment with a disappointed look in their eyes...If I was to be able to advise this dude of only one thing, it would be to calm down completely...its not a fetish to beat your daughter, so stop treating it like that (violence is passion, same with sex...same raw base emotions).

Take a walk and dont come back until your a calm man whom is laughing at how silly these problems are compared to real problems.

I respectfully disagree. Sometimes a child needs to be spanked to get their attention. When I first came into my stepson's life he was out of control. He'd been spoiled since the age of 3. I remember several instances where if he didn't get what he wanted his anger would lead him to grab my wife's hair in his fist and pull as hard as he could. Needless to say this earned him a firm hand to the rump. Three years later and he still needs the occasional firm hand to his behind due to his tantrums (he has a horrible father for a role model that continues to sulk at the age of 33 and lash out in anger when he doesn't get his way). However, he has improved drastically since I came into his life and even though he gets the occasional spank and "the look" from me when he needs reprimanding, he loves me dearly. As long as you temper a reasonable amount of punishment with love, the child will be fine.

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Ummmm it becomes the communities business when a child is getting abused/molested/neglected. So you would just let your neighbor burn a kid with a blow torch for punishment and not call the police?

Originally posted by muzzleflash

Originally posted by Realtruth

Originally posted by gncnew

And you don't think an elected official would stand to lose their job if they were sued for illegally downloading music? Hmmm, maybe you should go into politics?

Two wrongs doesn't make a right.

If police would have witnessed this act and they would have followed the "Domestic Violence Protocol" for arrest, then this judge would have a Felony at worst, high misdemeanor best case.

Either way he would have lost his job.

I have posted the law already, it's not illegal in Texas. He broke no laws technically.

According to Chapter 261 of the Family Code (recodified in 1995), child abuse is an act or omission that endangers or impairs a child’s physical, mental or emotional health and development. Child abuse may take the form of physical or emotional injury, sexual abuse, sexual exploitation, physical neglect, medical neglect, or inadequate supervision. The law specifically excludes “reasonable” discipline by the child’s parent, guardian, or conservator; corporal punishment is not in itself abusive under the law. An act or omission is abusive only if “observable and material impairment” occurs as a result, or if it causes “substantial harm,” or exposes the child to risk of substantial harm.

[url=https://www.oag.state.tx.us/ag_publications/txts/childabuse1.shtml]official

Muzzleflash, seriously dude technically if you listen to the cries and screams she is emotionally abused. If you look at the strike of the whips and the placement of the strikes, she was physically abused, not to mention his verbal attacks on her.... plenty of counts of child abuse in this video.

And technically it happened in Arkansas....

Just give up supporting this type of child abuse, it's people like you with these type of views that makes this world unsafe for kids to live in

Originally posted by muzzleflash
It doesn't matter really.

Its not your business what people do to their kids. None.
They created them, it's their call.

I agree the punishment is a bit over the top, and I personally do not use weapons when punishing my children. I do not hit the face or vulnerable organs either.

But I have kids of my own and I totally understand whats going on here.

Over the top? Yes for sure.

Our business? Nope not at all.

Why don't we go after this judge for corruption issues like how they imprison innocents just to keep the $$$ flowing or other actual crimes like that?

This is being torn out of context and it's just another way the Nazi Parent - Police can justify their agenda to strip parents of any rights and allow the government to control all of our parenting decisions.

Not our business? really?

Is it our business to report an assault if we see one in public? Why does it make any difference who is doing the assaulting and why is this alright because its a parent hitting a child? This is assault, straight up...maybe even child endangerment / abuse. This man should not be on the bench. Give me his address and I'll deliver a whoopin myself. IM me. I'm serious.

Here's what I see happening....

This is going to get national or even international attention. The man has already been tried and found guilty by everyone on the internet, which is real shame and should scare the daylights out of every single one of you. There will be pressure from the public to crucify him, regardless of what another judge or jury finds. So my feeling is that by peer pressure alone, he will punished by the law, simply because politicians will get involved. Once they are involved, then must make a stand. Once they make a stand, it becomes politics as usual, and a punishment will happen. He will definitely have to give up his robe. I don't think his career will survive this at all, and I'm not sure it should. Our judicial authorities should be leading examples in the communities, just as I feel our politicians should be. Once they tarnish that record, they should do the honorable thing and step down willingly....period.

All we can hope for is if this goes to court, that the justice system works for him properly, but I don't see how it can at this point. This has elicited so much anger, it really is paving the way for the government to step in and have more control over us. So be very careful what you wish for. You may not like what you see others doing, but just because you don't agree, doesn't necessarily mean it's against the law.

That is....providing that the statute of limitations hasn't run out.

Originally posted by spurge


3) Parents expect the government to do the parenting for them.

That's exactly what all of you want.

To remove the rightful parent, and replace it with a government parent.

I rest my case.

Originally posted by muzzleflash

Originally posted by Magantice
reply to post by LeoVirgo

 

Oh please, you cry babies get on my last nerve. Maybe you should help pass laws for the government to put cameras in all childrens rooms eih? This is why humanity is going to hell in a hand basket. Teenagers are out of control and when the get the belt, the bleeding hearts want to raise a big stink about it. Well she wanted to ruin her fathers life and she has succeeded. Happy now?

I honestly believe those out of control teens are the loudest criers denouncing corporal punishment.

That's my opinion though, I cannot prove it. Just a hunch.

They absolutely are. My dad used to tear my ass up with the belt when I did something he specifically told me not to. Was I stupid enough to try and fight back? No, because the same thing that happened to this girl would have happened to me. I'm 26 years old now, 10 years since I last recieved corporal punishment. Do I hate my dad? HELL NO! Am I glad he beat me? You betcha.

If she had just lain on her stomach, she might have got 5-7 smacks with the belt. Instead she thought it would be a good idea to be defiant to her bigger and stronger dad, hence, she got what was coming to her.

All you people crying "abuse, abuse!" have obviously never BEEN abused, nor even SEEN abuse. Child abuse is when he comes in, slaps her across the face with the belt, throws it down, punches her in the face a few times to break her nose and jaw, and then proceed to go to town on her with some other object, such as a rod or stick or frying pan, or any other heavy object.

Children especially have to be SHOWN what happens when you disobey.

Originally posted by PapaKrok

Is it our business to report an assault if we see one in public? Why does it make any difference who is doing the assaulting and why is this alright because its a parent hitting a child? This is assault, straight up...maybe even child endangerment / abuse. This man should not be on the bench. Give me his address and I'll deliver a whoopin myself. IM me. I'm serious.

So, assault is bad.

Unless it's you doing it for vengeance?

Gotcha.

Originally posted by spurge
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Well she's not actually living there anymore, but I agree she needs support. Imagine what else this pig of a man did to her during her life there.

thank you so much for telling me that great news! I had only made it through the first couple pges of the thread and did not know that she ws not living there now!

makes me feel a bit better!!

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Here is a news flash for you. She hated him before the whipping or she wouldnt have recorded it for later use. Think that one over.