Judge William Adams beats daughter for using the Internet

Originally posted by OzTruth
reply to post by gncnew

 

She is 24 now, she has moved out of home, the wife has left the relationship. I am unaware of the little one Madison the 4 year old ushered out of the room before the attack. Her whereabouts unknown

Maybe people should read the whole thread before talking out of their posterior. you will find her YouTube page on this thread along with reddit page, dailymail story and the YouTube

There is no excuse for this violence towards children.

I am really upset by the amount of "it's ok to hit your kids" posts

Unbelievable

Oz, you have to realize that this whole thread is a magnet for over the top reactions.

The "It's ok" crowd is worried about the knee jerk reaction (much like the gun control movement) to parental rights regarding discipline of a child.

Look at one part of this - Why did the dad want the younger daughter to leave the room?

If he was just beating this girl out of anger and spite... why ask the younger daughter to leave? Wouldn't the "fear factor" of seeing her older sister get beat help his cause if he was trying to rule by intimidation?

Maybe - just maybe - he was doing this out of love (albeit misguided at best) in trying to show her the gravity of what she was doing?

I'm not saying I handle my kids this way - but I'm also saying that you can't take away my right to discipline my child with physical punishment because this dude completely flies off the handle....

Again, it should be stated (as you've noted) that she was being punished for downloaded illegal songs with the P2P application "Kazaa" at the time when the practice was being penalized with sever fines and legal awards.

A sitting judge "may" have been terrified that if he didn't shut it down NOW that he would lose his job, his family would lose their home, and the actions of his 16 year old would jeopardize the livelihood of the entire family unit...

I know we live in culture where the individual rules supreme... but sadly - individual actions can have collective consequences...

Originally posted by NadaCambia

It's pretty normal for Americans to beat their children. That's why Americans so many are so aggressive and violent with a tendency to crime and mass murder

You obviously don't know sh*t about our country. This isn't normal.

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Okay can I just ask, why is okay to do this to a child, but not an adult?

If he was really scared, about the p2p network, it would be easier to take away the computer...

I feel very sad for your children....



I state again.... Losing your temper is a weakness in the person.
Doing this out of loves makes no difference, it doesn't curb bad behavior, there is LOTS OF PROOF.



ONCE AGAIN< WHY IS IT OKAY TO DO IT TO A CHILD BUT NOT AN ADULT?

Originally posted by mudbeed

Originally posted by NadaCambia

It's pretty normal for Americans to beat their children. That's why Americans so many are so aggressive and violent with a tendency to crime and mass murder

You obviously don't know sh*t about our country. This isn't normal.

I didn't say this particular case was normal, I said it's pretty normal for Americans to beat their kids - It is.

Deja vu (something overly familiar), this video sent chills through my body.

From my earliest childhood memories to a day when my older brother and I finally had the courage / strength to fight back and win, this is a graphic picture of the treatment we received as kids, on a regular basis.

My father was a powerful man, he loved the leather strap and never once pulled his punches, giving the whippings every ounce of strength.

To me the worst part about this particular video is that the mother is equally sadistic. This child has no one to turn to for emotional support.

Take it from someone who's been there, children who experience this type of treatment are candidates for suicide, and those who survive definitely face many psychological handicaps for decades to come.

I'm so glad this incident was caught on video, and is now being presented to the world for review.

Originally posted by NadaCambia

Originally posted by OzTruth
reply to post by gncnew

 

She is 24 now, she has moved out of home, the wife has left the relationship. I am unaware of the little one Madison the 4 year old ushered out of the room before the attack. Her whereabouts unknown

Maybe people should read the whole thread before talking out of their posterior. you will find her YouTube page on this thread along with reddit page, dailymail story and the YouTube

There is no excuse for this violence towards children.

I am really upset by the amount of "it's ok to hit your kids" posts

Unbelievable

It's pretty normal for Americans to beat their children. That's why Americans so many are so aggressive and violent with a tendency to crime and mass murder

In most Western nations it's considered to be the lowest of the low, in America it's like a secret badge of honour. They take pride in giving their children a good beating. You'll hear people talking about it with pride in public places, and many who don't beat their children are considered politically correct liberals.

But America has a huge tendency towards abusing children outside of this too, circumcision is also celebrated as being a good thing in America.

A very strange place. Fortunately attitudes are changing but you can see many of them are very brutal individuals

Is this post a joke? No seriously?

I'm pretty sure the long tradition of generations of warfare in Europe would probably contradict your point...

Oh, and unless I'm mistaken, you've got your own "culture of violence" to deal with... what causes that do you think (since there is no spanking in the UK)?
British knife culture travels with thugs

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The Kazaa thing is an excuse for this evil bastard to just hit his kid. For starters, like i said, most people see nothing wrong with downloading music, it actually shouldn't be illegal, it's just stupid. That being said, the judge should have been smart enough to talk to his children about this and when they are using a computer, let them know, hey, i'm a judge, please don't do anything that could get me in trouble, if you do, i'll have to ban you from the internet for a month. It's so damn simple.

If she did download a song, big deal, sit her down and let her know, it could get them all in trouble and not do it on his account.

Seriously, what he did is beyond wrong. Hope he gets what's coming to him soon.

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You're supporting child abuse. Knee jerk or not. End of story.

Originally posted by Super64PR

Originally posted by Gseven
God, the scandal with that alone is sad..."Judge resigns and is force to pay $100,000 in fees for teenage daughter's illegal downloads"....I can't imagine.

How do you know they were illegal downloads? Could have been iTunes?

Because one of them said "Kazaa"... you don't use Kazaa (in 2007) because you want to BUY the music.

Originally posted by gncnew

Originally posted by NadaCambia

Originally posted by OzTruth
reply to post by gncnew

 

She is 24 now, she has moved out of home, the wife has left the relationship. I am unaware of the little one Madison the 4 year old ushered out of the room before the attack. Her whereabouts unknown

Maybe people should read the whole thread before talking out of their posterior. you will find her YouTube page on this thread along with reddit page, dailymail story and the YouTube

There is no excuse for this violence towards children.

I am really upset by the amount of "it's ok to hit your kids" posts

Unbelievable

It's pretty normal for Americans to beat their children. That's why Americans so many are so aggressive and violent with a tendency to crime and mass murder

In most Western nations it's considered to be the lowest of the low, in America it's like a secret badge of honour. They take pride in giving their children a good beating. You'll hear people talking about it with pride in public places, and many who don't beat their children are considered politically correct liberals.

But America has a huge tendency towards abusing children outside of this too, circumcision is also celebrated as being a good thing in America.

A very strange place. Fortunately attitudes are changing but you can see many of them are very brutal individuals

Is this post a joke? No seriously?

I'm pretty sure the long tradition of generations of warfare in Europe would probably contradict your point...

Oh, and unless I'm mistaken, you've got your own "culture of violence" to deal with... what causes that do you think (since there is no spanking in the UK)?
British knife culture travels with thugs

You're talking about the past, when beating children was acceptable. I'm talking about the presence. I can assure you that Americans are the most brutish, violent and aggressive in the western world. Even otherwise reasoned people, like yourself, think it acceptable to use violence.

Thank you for the post about British knife crime too. No guesses who these knife wielding criminals are. Predominately extremely poor, non-British migrants. Mainly from Poland and other such nations were poverty and child abuse is rife. Certainly these knife wielding criminals weren't raised by middle class "you're on time out" type parents

Originally posted by mudbeed

Originally posted by Super64PR

Originally posted by mindpurge
reply to post by SonicInfinity

 

who hasn't been smacked with a belt?

My family and no other family I know of has used a belt. This may be a cultural difference between the US and UK. But I don't think using a belt would have made a difference.

I'm 29 and moderately successful, with a decent job, fiance and soon to purchase our own home together. Like I stated before, I agree with smacking and maybe even a belt as long as it were once or twice but the eighteen in this video were well over the line. It could have stopped at by the fifth. She learnt nothing extra after that and so the extras were gratuitous.

It's a southern thing.

Keep in mind notice where the most violent crimes, child abuse and wife beating occur.

Coincdence if nothing else.

Really?
So New York, Chicago, and Philly are tame compared to the "south"?

Interesting take.... I think the facts beg to differ... but I'm sure you've got something to back that up other than your own ignorant stereotypes.

double post

Originally posted by gncnew

Originally posted by NadaCambia

Originally posted by muzzleflash

Originally posted by NadaCambia

Originally posted by HomerinNC
You see the current status of juveniles in the prison system? Quite a few are from families that didnt discipline their kids.

If you ran any sort of poll overwhelmingly you'd find people in prison were beaten as kids. 70% of the prison population are non white. Use a bit of common sense.

Oh so non-whites beat their kids a lot more than whites?

I never knew that. Where did you find out about that?

I told you earlier when you asked. Poor people are more inclined to beat their children, you denied that and I posted the evidence to show you it's true.

It's not brain science. Seriously, think about it for 10 seconds. Poor people are more inclined to beat their children, most white people are middle class, most in prison are not white. Do you think you can make the connection?

It's also not uncommon for black Americans to argue that black kids are different and need the belt. You live in America presumably, I'm usre you could leave your house and speak to some non-white folks to confirm it's more common amongst minorities

edit on 2-11-2011 by NadaCambia because: (no reason given)

Holy crap, I swear I don't think I could ask you to make more of a "donkey's behind" of yourself at this moment.

Just FYI - this judge is probably high-middle class.

And you're pretty much just making crap up at this point to prove your nonsensical point.

So? There's always exceptions to the rule. I'm talking in generalities, not absolutes.

Originally posted by Super64PR

Originally posted by Gseven
God, the scandal with that alone is sad..."Judge resigns and is force to pay $100,000 in fees for teenage daughter's illegal downloads"....I can't imagine.

How do you know they were illegal downloads? Could have been iTunes?

He stated right on the video. She kept downloading Kazaa and "stealing" illegal content and then lying about it.

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ultimately it is a sliding scale, I say 7 because typically at that age, they start having favorite things, be it games, going outside, etc etc that are more effective and teaches them consequences without the need for violence.

at 16, they only see the person as a bully and monster..and how not to be as an adult...it teaches the exact opposite of what they are going for.

I don't believe in spanking children...if you do that, then you failed somehow...now, spanking babys/toddlers..well, not spanking but rather attention type moves (hell, even a loud bang on something to startle them works) is required until they develop a bit further.

I don't often judge parents...if someone gives their 10 year old a well deserved spanking for something intentionally malice ridden (beating up some little kid at school for example), well, that is their decision..I would try to be more creative, and perhaps ultimately more cruel..such as lessons in humility over pain endurance, but I wont condemn their lack of originality...but this guy beat his pretty much adult daughter for playing a computer game...or telling mom to f off when she was playing it, either way..the punishment seems quite easy..remove the offending device and other forms of entertainment until she learns...not beat up the person.

and the next issue I have (and perhaps the biggest)..the father hit in anger...never hit any kid in anger...take 10 minutes...take a shower, go for a walk, and then do whatever with a clear and sympathetic tone...this resonates far more with kids when they see it not as some enraged beast with a belt, but a calm and loving person simply giving the punishment with a disappointed look in their eyes...If I was to be able to advise this dude of only one thing, it would be to calm down completely...its not a fetish to beat your daughter, so stop treating it like that (violence is passion, same with sex...same raw base emotions).

Take a walk and dont come back until your a calm man whom is laughing at how silly these problems are compared to real problems.

I find the video deeply disturbing and what I have found even more disturbing are the sheer amount of people on this thread that don't consider this to be abuse. A grown man beating a sixteen year old woman with a belt, continuously, and coming back for more because she is not SUBMITTING, threatening to punch her with his fist, with the mother backing him up, cursing her out. I have my suspicions about Anon but I am all for them on this one. How is it not anyone's business what goes on in people's homes when assaults are being committed. Wasn't that why people turned a blind eye for decades when women were being beaten by there husbands. And this still goes on so often.

Oh but they are only what? beatings with a belt? threatening with a fist? no big deal till someone turns up dead, right? It was none of our business. Having a child is a gift. It is the responsibility of the parent to provide a SAFE mental, emotional and physical environment for them to grow up in. Yes, it's a tough job. The toughest job on earth but if your not up to the task of providing a loving, nurturing, self enhancing place then please do not have children.

Both my parents grew up in physically abusive households that seemed to be the norm back then, but as imperfect a household as it was, they did not beat us into submission. They overcame that part of themselves.
And no, children DO NOT BELONG TO THEIR PARENTS, THEY ARE NOT YOUR PERSONAL PROPERTY.
The children running rampant and wild who have not been disciplined are more often than not suffering from parental neglect. and emotional problems. There is a kind of child in which a safe and loving home with BALANCED and life enhancing discipline will not work, and that is the sociopathic child, but then beatings will not work on them either. For those children, and they few and far between their is no known cure.

This girl will probably be suffering from post traumatic disorder for the rest of her life. Way to go, good parenting there. Since when is it EVER right to beat anyone smaller than yourself???? This man is a coward.

To beat someone in self defense or to protect others is the only time I see it being warrented. What is wrong with you people? seriously? I better get off this now because I have a real dislike for bullies and these parents are bullies. NOTHING the girl did justifies this and I am glad she hung on to this tape. For those who think it's OK because you got it worse, GROW UP!!!!!

Originally posted by KingAtlas
reply to post by gncnew

 

Okay can I just ask, why is okay to do this to a child, but not an adult?

If he was really scared, about the p2p network, it would be easier to take away the computer...

I feel very sad for your children....



I state again.... Losing your temper is a weakness in the person.
Doing this out of loves makes no difference, it doesn't curb bad behavior, there is LOTS OF PROOF.



ONCE AGAIN< WHY IS IT OKAY TO DO IT TO A CHILD BUT NOT AN ADULT?

Because as a parent - you are responsible for the actions of your children. Once they are adults, they're responsible for their own actions.

My job is to make sure my kids understand there are consequences to be paid for their action so when they're an adult they don't act out of ignorance and get themselves in some deep #aki.

I didn't say that what this guy did was ok... I'm addressing the gross generalities being thrown around here.

If my 14 year old son downloads music illegally, guess who's getting sued? If my 20 year old son downloads music illegally, guess who's getting sued.

If my 14 year old son punches a kid in the face and puts him in the hospital, guess who's getting sued... if my 20 year old son does it, guess who's not getting sued.

This is why we have parental rights...

Ummm.. lot of asian countries (including east and south asia)beat their kids, and a lot of them seems to be successful in life.

Beating your kids come out as two different things.

1. Discipline - usually hitting on palms or below knees. objects are usually flat like ruler or wooden spoon(lol), and doesnt lats more than 2-3 sec, so approx 1-3 hits.

2. Abuse - drunken parents. using almost anything in sight as weapon, hitting anywhere. can be a lot of hits under short amount of time.

Most North Americans thinking beating as abusing because there is a lot of domestic violence/abuse in North America, i think this is because "Go to your room! No TV, No Phone" is a not good way to punish someone, if they think that's all they get for doing something wrong, they will grow up to do things without thinking about greater consequences.

the word "beating" seems so strong, its usually 1 or 2 hits... i think kids get pummels is abusive.

i was beaten as a kid(probably 9-14 age range, where you are influenced greatly from the choices you make), usually wooden spoon lol,,my mom usually beat me for small things and my dad doesn't(think he only hit me once) do anything unless its major (like breaking neighbour's car's windshield not once but twice) so did my brother, we all grew up to be successful, and still love our parents, and yup no psychological trauma

He should have arrested her instead then we wouldn't have this conversation.