Judge William Adams beats daughter for using the Internet

Originally posted by acmpnsfal
reply to post by muzzleflash

 

Crime of the century? I cant even find a credible news outlet reporting on this. Most people on this thread agree that this is horrible. You kept finding reasons to say it wasnt. Empathy starts in your own back yard, if we dont care about her, why the hell would we care about some kid in another nation? I dont honestly believe that this was your intent for making the comments you did on this thread. You realized you were losing and shifted gears. But anyway, im all for being aware of our nations impact on the world. So we agree there.

I do care about it, my reasoning was that it's not worth using the government to bust into peoples homes and break up their families. Over a belt? No way definitely not reasonable.

We should care about kids in other nations because it's our policies and war machine and it's effect on them that I would like to see changed first.

I never said you shouldn't care about people, I just want to remind people to keep their emotions balanced with the severity of the stimuli.

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reply to post by JohnPhoenix


you dont think a child who has probably endured years of this kind of abuse would want to see others really understand what she has to deal with?.
For using the internet, i am going to violently abuse you. what a muppet, and as for anyone who dares try and defend any abusive violence towards a child, scum comes to mind.
And that goes for any member of the military "Just following orders" as well, a bomb dropped onto a housing complex or refugee camp where you know women and children are is indefensible in the eyes of god.

By defending violence against a child by one person you defend the rights of the least capable kind of person who has a real problem knowing when to stop.
If you confront all violence against children as bad, you defend all children from the possibility of having a parent go to far.
There is no in between, it happens, or, it doesn't, it should not happen, they are children.

Originally posted by ThichHeaded
meh, this is a walk in the park compared to how I grew up..

One time my dad beat my sister with a hammer and 2x4 for losing a house key..

But the guy is wrong, I dont understand how people can do this.. One thing I did learn growing up is to never be like my dad was to me to my kid..(did you understand this)

I always wondered if someone would ever get into trouble for something like this.. I guess Anon will make sure to it, but also someone brought up a good point, did the authorities see this?

ALso I only watched about 2 minutes of it, for me same sh*t different day growing up so I already know what happens later..

It is interesting however the girl was telling him to stop, If this were my dad, I would have had a bloody lip or something if I opened my mouth...

What you grew up with was not normal . Its called child abuse . what this man is doing to his 16 year old daughter is akin to how muslims behave with their daughters .

This is not acceptable behaviour . The man is an abuser and needs to be charged by his now grown daughter with asault .

Unfortunately this kind of abusive behaviour is becoming way too acceptable amougst men . That daughter proberly ahtes her father now . The father is sick and the mother was sick within the association of that man .

If you go to the youtube itself it tell you the mother eventually left this abuser and has begged the daughter for forgiveness

Originally posted by The X
reply to post by muzzleflash

 

I have to agree, having been the victim of a parent myself many times, of someone so unable to control their own anger that i would be beaten repeatedly for things that are so inconsequential like failing to fold clothes properly (aged 8) my brother was 6, of a parent who has hit me with a shillelagh because it was handy, from a parent who has thrown knives at me because they were handy victimised with belts, buckles, thrown shoes, canes, plastic rods, whips.
No child deserves any kind of "Abuse" from a parent and after witnessing it for myself, i know it when i see a parent getting off on it, he did.

You do not have a right to defend any kind of an attack on a child, you have the right to keep your counsel while everyone else derides them, because, in the wash when it all comes out that maybe it was abusive, you don't look like such a monster.

I am not a monster? Am I?

Most seem to want to have a bigger more violent and oppressive government to "stop this type of abuse".

I am just here to warn that these 'solutions' could easily become worse than the original problem.

I don't know, call me devil's advocate.

Originally posted by OzTruth
[SNIP]

WTF???

You just threatened to kill me by gunshot to the face....

For having an opinion that we should be worried about more important issues?

Whoa there buddy, chill out.
CHILLLLL

I have been called a monster, threatened , etc.

What the hell?

So it's wrong to beat a kid with a belt, but its ok to kill me?

????????

How many times did I get a belt across my rear end? How many bruises did I carry with me from that belt? A lot! Actually most of the time I asked for it through my own disobedience.

Other times ... getting the back of my Dad's hand across my face and picking myself up from the floor, mother hitting me in the head with a wet mop. Being forced to watch my dad have sex with my mother, I was 12-13. This is abuse. I made the decision not to be the type parents I had ... I'm not. I learned NOT to pass the pain on to my child ... but, believe me, he got some "whoopings" growing up, not with a belt. When he lied about how his BB gun got broken and I discovered the truth ... he got 10 pops on his rear end with a small metal ruler. I asked him why he got a spanking ... he replied, "Because I lied." He was 5 at the time, he is now almost 23 ... some of the things he's done and told me about make me shudder! He's put all of that behind him. I respect his honesty more than you know ... that little metal ruler and 10 whacks didn't hurt him at all.

reply to post by muzzleflash

Im not convinced. But anyways, even if we pulled government resources away from human service organizations that investigate these things and re focused our attention on mitigating the harm done by us in other parts of the world. Children would still suffer. I personally would find it hypocritical of us to start fixing issues affecting children around the world while neglecting the ones here. I mean children here still starve to death, get beaten to death, are neglected, homeless, etc. Outside of war, you are forgetting that even without our involvement on the worlds stage that the governments these children live in would also have to be looking out for their welfare. Its not only America's fault. A lot of these governments have their own special interests involved as well and could careless about the welfare of their citizens.

Researchers and policymakers have begun to recognize the extent and severity of family violence in recent years, particularly its effects on children. Despite a flurry of research, however, there is much disagreement about the definition of violence, its development, the consequences for victims, and the most effective avenues for intervention. Similar conceptual, methodological, and practical problems are faced by those working in the areas of physical child abuse, child sex abuse, and child witnesses to spouse abuse. In further research on these complex problems, researchers are encouraged to use operational definitions that avoid terms like abuse and violence, to focus new efforts on emotional mediators of violent actions, to evaluate the effects of violence on the entire family system, and to redouble efforts to conduct systematic outcome research. Those professionals who are currently responsible for intervention are encouraged to use definitions of and responses to family violence that match those used for assaults between strangers. (PsycINFO Database Record (c) 2010 APA, all rights reserved)reply to post by muzzleflash

You see, the profeessionals believe you are wrong Muzzleflash, if i saw this happening on the street between two strangers and the victim made a police complaint, i would definitely make a statement of what i saw because what i saw was a crime.
They would have their house searched when they were arrested.
If you don't want your house searched, dont commit acts of violence towards children or strangers or animals, simple really.
Those professionals who are currently responsible for intervention are encouraged to use definitions of and responses to family violence that match those used for assaults between strangers.

If i am walking past a house and i hear a child repeatedly screaming for someone to stop, im calling the police, it's that simple, you may only be disciplining your child in your eyes, but a black eye or a broken tooth, or bruising can tell a lot about the sort of parent you are if you done it.
Take a child to hospital with weals on it from a belt in the uk and the police will be called, probably in the US the police will be asked to investigate the circumstances of the family, and, rightly so.

I cant believe the people defending child abuse here, the man should go to jail for assault.

Some people here really need to look at themselves.

Originally posted by The X

If i am walking past a house and i hear a child repeatedly screaming for someone to stop, im calling the police, it's that simple, you may only be disciplining your child in your eyes, but a black eye or a broken tooth, or bruising can tell a lot about the sort of parent you are if you done it.
Take a child to hospital with weals on it from a belt in the uk and the police will be called, probably in the US the police will be asked to investigate the circumstances of the family, and, rightly so.

Why are you comparing me to crazy violent psychopaths?

I am confused. It is because I merely Disagreed?

Originally posted by Flyer
I cant believe the people defending child abuse here, the man should go to jail for assault.

Some people here really need to look at themselves.

There are people here who believe child abuse is bad, but believe that killing someone they disagree with on ATS is good.

Let's look at that for a bit.

reply to post by muzzleflash

My parents never found it necessary to "discipline" me with violence, even though they had both been brought up in families where beatings were frequent and expected. My Mother told me "if you can't reason with a child without hitting them, it is you that are lacking in discipline - not the child".

If I saw someone beating an animal in their own home, let alone a child I would call the Police. I am sure you children are eternally grateful that you are a thoughtful enough parent not to hit them in the face or risk internal bleeding by rupturing any major internal organs. Children do not "belong" to their parents they have as much right to live free and not in fear as any adult.

reply to post by muzzleflash


Um suffering some sort of disconnect i think muzzleflash.
Both are not OK, when it comes to our government doing what it likes to other people abroad, we have no say, we just dont join the army.
When we are in our communities and we see something we don't like, we do something, the same as not getting involved with the military is doing something on a personal level to mitigate the potential damage that could be done.
Seeing a child beaten or hearing it, is not ok, killing people abroad is not ok, but, just because we are killing people abroad, does not mean we can beat children at home.
If you want to change a society begin with the children ensure they are brought up with a fair but firm hand.

Abuse is unnecessary, and can be construed in the way a child is treated, as, two strangers and how they treat each other, just because its "your kid" doesn't give you the right to inflict an over the top beating.

reply to post by muzzleflash


cant help feeling that was part of the purpose of this video becoming available.

you may not want someone banned but no one should be allowed threaten another member with violence for taking part in a debate. that is dispicable behaviour.

its how bullys behave. making threats.