mass grave of 2,000 ethnic Germans in Polish town

reply to post by Pakd-on-mystery


If you're in germany then you got the whole brainwash and lots of guilt. Like I said there were camps, people died, from typhus and supply lines being cut. There was not extermination of Jews. This is a lie to gain sympathy.

Originally posted by mayabong
I am a historian,

No you are not actually - I suppose you think David Irving is also a "historian"?

Originally posted by spoor

Originally posted by mayabong
I am a historian,

No you are not actually - I suppose you think David Irving is also a "historian"?

How do you know who the poster is... Keep an open mind is best...

reply to post by spoor


Even Jews like David Cole came out and said the Holocaust was a sham. After he released his videos he was force to go into hiding.

If a historian has a different view of the holocaust, he is suddenly a "historian". If an engineer has a different view of 911, he is suddenly an "engineer".

Funny how you people work.

reply to post by muzzleflash


I am not condoning RAF fire bombing but at the same time it was the RAF response to the blitz. During the blitz, the Luftwaffe controlled the skies. Once that was reversed in was kind of inevitable that their would be whole scale retribution

Originally posted by mayabong
reply to post by Pakd-on-mystery

 

If you're in germany then you got the whole brainwash and lots of guilt. Like I said there were camps, people died, from typhus and supply lines being cut. There was not extermination of Jews. This is a lie to gain sympathy.

Brainwash?? I believe you should hang on to that thought for a few seconds and analyze what exactly you are saying..if anyone here is brainwashed, I'd have my two bucks on you.

What you are claiming are straight up lies. Lies spread by american wannabe nazis in an absolutely pathetic attempt of decriminalizing the national socialist leaders, and the crimes to humanity they committed.
You say I have no proof for my "theory" although there's definately more evidence for my "claims" than for yours.
As an actual historian you know of the importance and relevance of PROOF.....How about some of that?
Every Historian knows that not a single person will believe he says if he cant prove it

reply to post by Pakd-on-mystery


Like I said, my sources are Jewish sources not "nazi" sources. Come on buddy. David Cole is a very good example.

If there was nothing to hide, people wouldn't be getting locked up.

reply to post by mayabong


Yes... again, saying things doesn't make them true...

You give me an example of someone thrown in jail for holocaust research who wasn't a bigoted anti-semite, jailed for disturbing the peace.

Holocaust research is open to you, me, or anyone else. The evidence is all there, public, for you to see. There is no "grand coverup", because the scope of such an endeavour is not only implausible, its literally impossible. If you cant see that, then once again you have proven yourself not only not to be a historian, but you are not even a student of history. You are a liar, plain and simple.

When someone starts fabricating stories and twisting fact in some bigoted attempt to throw dirt on Jews and Germans, i agree that they should be detained.

Anyway, your pathertic arguing of details (of which you know nothing) is, once again, completely beside the fact that Jews were exterminated on mass, inside and outside the chambers, in proportions far exceeding that of any other race or religion during the past 2000000000 years. It is the single most significant example of mass extermination that has been perpetrated in the history of mankind.

Nothing you say, no amount of conjecture, hearsay, or lack of evidence will ever be enough to debunk what is FACT. So, put up, or shut up.

Originally posted by mayabong
reply to post by spoor

 

Even Jews like David Cole came out and said the Holocaust was a sham. After he released his videos he was force to go into hiding.

If a historian has a different view of the holocaust, he is suddenly a "historian". If an engineer has a different view of 911, he is suddenly an "engineer".

Funny how you people work.

edit on 2-11-2011 by mayabong because: (no reason given)

Yes, it is extremely funny how people work, believing one lunatic with ridiculous videos over infinite amounts of real, credible, indisputable evidence.

Very funny.

Originally posted by mayabong
reply to post by Pakd-on-mystery

 

If you're in germany then you got the whole brainwash and lots of guilt. Like I said there were camps, people died, from typhus and supply lines being cut. There was not extermination of Jews. This is a lie to gain sympathy.

You would not be saying this if you had taken one second out of your life to actually look at the evidence. Dismissing everything as a conspiracy because your a paranoid nutter is absolutely ludicrous. Do you realize that what your saying flies in the face of logic, reason, and evidence.

You are making yourself sound like a moron. Educate yourself, for christ sake...

reply to post by Pakd-on-mystery


I like you



hooray for common sense!

reply to post by mayabong


Jewish sources eh? go read 'the black seasons', and tell me that its all fabricated for some grand conspiracy that your desperately waiting to come to fruition (what was that, again?).

Jews would spit at your "jewish sources"... which we have yet to see

reply to post by ClydeFrog42


hahah.

Thats the thing. Anyone who has another opinion of the holocaust is a "bigoted anti-semite" as seen in the reactions towards me. David Irving is probably one of the most famous to be locked up for his beliefs. One of the things that sticks out the most about the gas chammbers besides the windows and funny doors, is there are no blue stains on the walls, which are still quite visible till this day on the delousing chambers at these camps, where the gas was actually used. You would think that gassing of jews 24/7 would leave some stains on the walls. Somehow magically they aren't there. Wow. Of course, as with 911, don't trust your eyes or mind, just believe what you are told or pay the price.

Please show me some soap and lampshades made from Jews.

lies lies lies.

Originally posted by ClydeFrog42
reply to post by mayabong

 

Jewish sources eh? go read 'the black seasons', and tell me that its all fabricated for some grand conspiracy that your desperately waiting to come to fruition (what was that, again?).

Jews would spit at your "jewish sources"... which we have yet to see

Originally posted by charles1952
Can someone easily tell Jewish skulls from German skulls? What is an ethnic German, as opposed to any other kind? If a Jewish family came to live in Germany in the 18th or 19th century, would they have German skulls by the time of the war?

In this case, it doesn't matter. What mattered was that Poland attacked German people. This is in part, what helped set off World War II. I do not for one second believe that Germany were the aggressors here, it was the Soviet Union, or at least part of the Soviet Union which set it off. If we had an American colony down in France, and then we find out that France killed all these Americans, what do you think Americans would do? Well, back then it'd be an act of war, and probably today as well.

I suggest people read up about the Katyn massacre. People go around, their heads filled with nonsense about Germany under Hitlers rule so they instantly think that Hitler was some rabid animal who was out to kill/destroy everything he could. This was simply not the case. At least not in the beginning.

I'm no Nazi, I'm no Holocaust denier. But what I will deny, is the fact that everyone thinks the Allies were some kind of super hero nations who did nothing wrong, or that other countries may have set off Germany. I mean seriously, is anyone when it comes to WWII and Germany capable of independent thought? Or do they all just rely on what someone told them?

If Hitler would have won, America would have been the bad guy. If Japan won, the entire West would have been the bad guy. Remember people, History.

reply to post by mayabong

The court found that Irving was an active Holocaust denier, antisemite, and racist, who "associates with right-wing extremists who promote neo-Nazism,"[4] and that he had "for his own ideological reasons persistently and deliberately misrepresented and manipulated historical evidence."

Theres money to be made, in neo-naziism too...

So, this is the one convincing case for you eh? Seems way more substantial then... well.... infinite amounts of infinitely more credible evidence... but i guess you can pick and choose the most controversial BS you can find, if thats your thing.

You take the lack of blue stains, and chambers as you would have them, as proof, eh? rather then... you know... all the ACTUAL proof?

The fact of the matter is, you can deny the truth based on descrepansies about which you know nothing, but nobody will believe you and nobody cares. Anybody who lives in the real world can easily draw the right conclusions based on the substantial, indisputable evidence that exists in libraries, museums, archives, and people around the world.

You continue to repeat the same garbage over and over, the same argument with no substance. Im just gonna let you go with a simple....

YOUR WRONG! Put up, shut up, or grow up.

reply to post by mayabong


I have been to dachau. I have seen the inside of the chambers... including the claw marks on the wall from people dyeing.

Your video rejects and fails to mention the evidence as much as you do....

reply to post by ClydeFrog42


You seem to be emotionally attached to this event, you are most probably Jewish. You can't have a serious historical debate without throwing the word Nazi or Anti-semite around.

I did give you one of many sources from david cole who is in fact a jew.

reply to post by ClydeFrog42


Glad you were able to watch a whole hour documentary in 5 minutes.. another miracle.

Originally posted by mayabong
reply to post by ClydeFrog42

 

You seem to be emotionally attached to this event, you are most probably Jewish.

Nope, but nice try.....

I Simply hate when people attempt to debase FACTS. i am extremely versed in these topics, and spend hours every week debating them and reading about them. I've been to germany, eastern europe. I've talked to people who remember the war years, post war years.

I know for a fact that there is no coverup of history. Why would there be? how could there be? Who is the person perpetuating millions of pieces of authentic period-dated evidence, and for what purpose?

How is it possible to believe in something so ridiculous? We are not as separated from WWII as you might think. It is the event upon which we base EVERYTHING. and there are thousands, perhaps hundreds of thousands, perhaps millions of historians who dedicate their lives to discovering the truth of what happened.

You think you know better then them? you think you can throw everything they have accomplished out the window on a whim and a prayer?

Im here to tell you: you cant. Your living in a fantasy, a fantasy that denies reality. A sick, disgusting, warped way of rationalizing the death of millions and millions of people.

I absolutely am emotionally tied to this issue, as should we all. Its abundantly clear to me that you are not, which is inexcusable.

So, keep taking a snarky, confrontational attitude. You are absolutely wrong, possessed by a cult of hate that can only be found on controversial internet forums, devoid of evidence.