I'll Make You A Believer

reply to post by hathorschild


while i would love the whole world to know, my expereince is that USA will kill you if you can get certain infomation across to an audience, especially a government audience. Unless a government would suspect that USA killed that person.

While it answers many of your questions about UFO's , I can sit here and sleep well knowing I'm not randomly putting ats users in trouble, to the point the united states are at least thinking about killing you.

I had permission denied on my life by the UK government back in 2008, and what I mean is that the US government requested permission to kill me back in 2008, and the UK government failed to grant that permission to the united states. (which is how I'm able to still type)

The infomation I have rec'd is in government hands who are not bent, and they have plenty more infomation than me. The problem the world is faced with is that the US government may be trying to attempt to take over the planet. And it is very hard to stop them from doing so.

Its been sugested that the real president of America is 'Dick cheney', that joe biden is 2nd in charge and barrack Obama is 3rd in charge, George bush jnr is 5th in charge and that there is a board of members tottalling 5 people that vote on what to do next (all american). They vote on things like 9/11, they vote on things like Iraq war, they vote on things like who the next president will be. however this particular infomation is just a consperacy at this moment.

Its been sugested that USA have enough nukes to blow up the whole planet (like 5,000 more nukes than declared) and with the Russian treaty they simply removed the ones that they declare. which Russia has no knowledge about.

That the USA is planning on eventually getting every country to remove its nuclear cabilitys (and coming out smellying of roses) by signing treaties with every country it possibly can.

That the USA may be using Nato somehow (although this is still be speculated) and that the USA planned on taking Nato countrys from the inside. (after an alien looking attack) by getting Nato to be intelligence service security and government security, and then when countrys refused to surrender (after having defence forces destroyed) to threaten to nuke them unless they surrendered. This is suspected to happen in about 20 to 40 years time.

That the afghan war was to gain a nato allie, as was Iraq... the point being that only one country is involved and that USA and the rest of the nations within Nato are being tricked..

I CAN't put myself into any danger as I have already emailed the security service and CIA declaring i had shared this infomation... however I understand that there's no such thing as a UFO, America's fart smell of oranges and the aliens don't exist.

I have not seen hardly anyone that doubts the existence of UFO's. We "skeptics" just need more than claims such as "My Sources" in order to believe we are actually being visited from aliens.

We would like to presented with evidence. There is nothing I want more than to find compelling evidence for the existence and presence of "aliens" here on earth. I would bet that at least 90% of the "skeptics" feel the same way. That is why I keep coming to ATS, waiting for 1st contact


in reply to you, your not going to find evidence on ATS that aliens exist, I can't prove it to you, the next poster can't either. While aliens do exist and one being is living underground in the united states of america, formely giving help with medicine and technolgy (the grey aliens that is).. america computers with top secret info is offline, you would need to get access to a computer by walking through the front door. To walk through the front door you would need clearence, to have clearence you would have taken a legally binding oath, whereby if you shared the infomation to anyone you would be killed, to leave the building you would need a miracle to get you out.

Originally posted by PhoenixOD
I think if i remember correctly that clip was of a missile test that went wrong.

Do you have any similar footage of known missiles exploding?

reply to post by Pimander


Hey look on page 2 they posted some vids of that

Originally posted by Imtor
The Belgian triangle UFO is proven a hoax afair and I can agree considering all triangle formation lights have no shape between and are in larger distances to each other.

Not so.

Someone claimed to have hoaxed one of the Belgium Triangle photographs. That is very different to it being a proven hoax. Also the most famous Phoenix lights video is of flares released by the Air Force as a cover for the real sighting which was of a triangular UFO that DID block out the stars between its lights.

www.abovetopsecret.com...
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Do you not understand that scepticism should be applied to all claims, including denials and claims by the military?

Originally posted by nikobellic
reply to post by Pimander

 

Hey look on page 2 they posted some vids of that

Found them... I didn't realise the thread was this long.

reply to post by Pimander


if you can except that UFO's exist, then why do you need to study each individual case of a sighting?

I'm lost on this theory of thought by the UFO community, why don't you try and work-out the purpose of a UFO, and then come to a conclusion about whats going on?

do UFO's really get people excited? Its technology that creates friction, so much friction that it generates gravity, which allows it to fly. they use electric magnetics to create the friction within the UFO... in a few hundred years people will no doubt be flying across the planet on commercial flights using the same technology..

Originally posted by ArMaP
I would have like it much more if you had written about this topic, added the photos and the videos needed and made one of those great threads that have been missing from ATS for some time.

There have been far too few recently, mate.

It's finding the time to give a case "the treatment" it deserves. There are plenty of members who can do it but life gets in the way.

reply to post by Pimander


still can I ask, whats the point in investigating a UFO sighting?

what do you aim to achieve from that said sighting??

Originally posted by piles
still can I ask, whats the point in investigating a UFO sighting?

How can we get a picture of a phenomenon if we do not study it? Most sightings turn out to be nothing but not always. Some, especially by the military, have given us clues about what these craft (yes craft!) are capable of and look like.

That's why I very much doubt they are all secret military projects or meteorological effects etc. What they are capable of sometimes even seems to defy established physical laws (or at least come very close to).

Originally posted by piles
what do you aim to achieve from that said sighting??

It is all about acquiring data. The more data we have the better our chances of formulating theories that explain it.

reply to post by Pimander


I understand your point, but its simply technology that creates gravity through creating immense amounts of friction that allows it to fly...

i get the feeling your trying to prove aliens exist, if this is so I hate to tell you, you won't prove aliens exist through finding a real UFO sighting. You'll need to dig a lot deeper in order to find out if aliens are here or not im afraid.

but best of luck to you

i am sure every body would love hard proof. DNA, crashed craft materials.etc if there was proof there would be soldiers police what have you! corrupting the evidence at the site! like Roswell. where is the proof? i am not sure if videos or picture are good enough! i could be wrong?

Originally posted by piles
i get the feeling your trying to prove aliens exist, if this is so I hate to tell you, you won't prove aliens exist through finding a real UFO sighting. You'll need to dig a lot deeper in order to find out if aliens are here or not im afraid.

but best of luck to you

My position is that there has been a cover up of something. Be that ET, time travellers, inter-dimensional beings etc. There is also disinfo left right and centre in the field but I have some good leads. I don't want to show all of my cards just yet but....

reply to post by Pimander


well, take it from someone you won't trust nor believe

Aliens landed in the united states, America wanted aliens technology, aliens said only if you give us territory, america said okay, aliens gave technology... america created a consperacy which has got you to believe in a 'cover up'

aliens are yet to receive terrotory, however in order to understand why you'll have to do a lot of digging...

which you won't take seriously from me, so i'll leave you to eat your heart out with some interesting leads...

i'll give you one dis-info agents names

1) phil schneider

I've got one, if i can remember his name (although very famous amongst your circles i do believe)

You've done a good job putting this video together. It's compelling even without the Rendlesham Forest incident and the JAL 1638 encounter.

Those who continue to say that the Earth has not been visited by extraterrestrial intelligence, they must be the same people reincarnated from the 16th Century who maintained during that period of time that the Earth was flat and Columbus was nothing more than a con man and a hoaxer!

Originally posted by piles
1) phil schneider.

Yes, I'm well aware of Schneider. Perhaps more a profiteer than a disinfo agent.

This is off topic so message me if you want to carry on.

Originally posted by 1questioner
Those who continue to say that the Earth has not been visited by extraterrestrial intelligence, they must be the same people reincarnated from the 16th Century who maintained during that period of time that the Earth was flat and Columbus was nothing more than a con man and a hoaxer!

In the 16th Century people knew that the Earth was not flat, few people believed in Columbus because he was wrong, he thought that the Earth was much smaller and that he could reach Eastern Asia by navigating to the west.

Columbus is a very good example of how someone can become a hero while being a failure.

PS: I will accept that Earth has been visited by extraterrestrial intelligence when I see real evidences of that and not just some dubious things that can be interpreted in many ways.

reply to post by Pimander


rememebered the name of the other dis-info agent you may know about
BOB lazaar

anyway im not learning anything from this site, interested in one story about blinkering stars which led me here, would be interested to hear more (as I have seen over 100ufo's in the past year)

sorry for off topic posts you may delete

and hello everyone...

Originally posted by piles
reply to post by Pimander

 

rememebered the name of the other dis-info agent you may know about
BOB lazaar

anyway im not learning anything from this site, interested in one story about blinkering stars which led me here, would be interested to hear more (as I have seen over 100ufo's in the past year)

sorry for off topic posts you may delete

and hello everyone...

It's interesting you mention the blinking stars UFO's.

I was going to add that footage to video but the more I researched it, the more I found people saying it was a satelite or airplane. I'm referring to this of course:




The flash seems WAY to bright for it to not be directed...

Originally posted by v1rtu0s0

Originally posted by PhoenixOD

Originally posted by nikobellic
excellent video.S+F

Question tho, I have never seen the video of the ufo that appears to hit the ground and skip, Do you have any info on thet clip? Such as where did this happen, and when?

I think if i remember correctly that clip was of a missile test that went wrong.

That's what I keep reading, but I have never seen a missle explode into thousands of super heated chards of metallic? material.

Exactly! Especially a missle that hits the ground and then flies up again?! Maybe it is possible, but I have never heard of it...

On a different note, are the fotos of the UFOs over Culver City and over the White House also faked? If they were, that leads me to another question - what were the Americans shooting at during the Battle of Los Angeles? Thanks!