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Originally posted by Common Good
I think its high time for the State Militias to get involved.
Our military is obviously spread throughout the world fighting Obamas wars, so they wont be much good
with these protests since they have spread all over.
Call me crazy.
But this Police Abuse sickens me, and it needs to end.
Originally posted by alienreality
I'm worried that when police start seriously abusing people, (like now), that some people nursing their rubber bullet injuries will be looking upon the police from a 3rd story window somewhere using a sniper rifle..
Originally posted by TheMindWar
Im sorry, but its time to start fighting back. The constitution demands people take up arms and I thinks thats what they should now do. Its obvious that TPTB dont care at all about constitutional rights, and that the only thing we have to look forward to is more violence from the criminal ruling classes. Its time to remove them from power IMHO.
Originally posted by TheOneElectric
Well, you know what happens next:
The police force have "lost" the moral highground. If protestors continue in peace, then they will have better footing for when the next push comes.
Originally posted by Anusuia
reply to post by SeekerofTruth101
what happened to the soldiers engaed in the Maylai massacre ? Im curious to know if they do go insane from the guilt.
These police people of today are different from you guys . These ones dont have any brain left . They are twisted beyond help. They have been reprogrammed to be beasts of the worst kind. They are not what we call human anymore . That part of them has ben removed from their minds .
Originally posted by Chance321
reply to post by Vitchilo
Just seen the video. Where's the vet? And where's the shot of him getting hit in the face on purpose by the rubber bullet? All I seen was poor camera work and some guy/girl? being carried.
Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
Originally posted by Vitchilo
Yep state militias and armed veterans should go in front of protests with guns and see if the cops keep acting like tough guys.
I bet they wouldn't.
Good Lord man, I have NEVER heard of a WORSE idea in my LIFE! If anyone had drawn firearms in Oakland last night, that whole area would have been FLOODED with cops raring to fight in a matter of 10 minutes...maybe a lot LESS.
Oakland Police Department sent out a Multi-County Tactical Alert for mutual aid to the surrounding cities a few hours prior to the first tear gas being popped. That was what a military man would call a 'warning order'. If that had been followed up by a legitimate cry for help from OPD, the scene was already set for HUNDREDS of police units from all over the greater SF area to converge right there in the time it took to roll in, code 3 with the pedals mashed to the floor board.
How many people actually watched the live feed? Not clips...not todays highlights..but the ongoing thing across the entire evening? I did, and I know a couple others around here did as well. The protesters were NOT babes in the woods on this. Not by a LONG shot.
If they'd approached the police lines and sat down, peacefully told the cops to stick it up their tail pipes and just refused to move....any force taken against them would have brought outrage from coast to coast. However, what ACTUALLY happened was the crowd repeatedly forming a tight mass and slowly but steadily moving right to the barriers, despite warnings not to engage the Police.
I watched 5 tear gas responses and ALL OF THEM came only after the protesters came within a couple feet, as a group, of the last barriers that stood between maybe 50 cops and a few hundred people in the street...who were anything but happy or easy going.
Did the police over-react? I'm really not sure...It was so close on that line of what is right and what isn't that I can't say without having been on the street personally....but the fact that doubt even exists is the whole problem here. Sympathy won't come from the public while OWS behavior leaves the Police response an open debate as to whether it was justified or not.
Meet force with PEACEFUL DISOBEDIENCE. Don't menace or threaten the cops...EVER. Don't even crowd them to make them feel like things MIGHT just end with their positions being over-run and their families having to cope without their ever coming home again. The cops WILL react violently to restore order at ANY COST. That is their job and what society pays them to do. Don't FEED the reasons they can do it under cover of justification.
Peace and change through a just cause and moral high ground....NOT force and anarchy. We need to keep our heads if this is to succeed at even the smallest level. (Hops off my soapbox)
Originally posted by rebeldog
reply to post by TinkerHaus
Ive had enough of your WEAKNESS!!!
Are you mentally capable to understand the difference between an ATTACK and SELF DEFENSE??
clearly you are either a suck-up, an extremely cowardly individual, or completely IGNORANT in relation to American History..
Tell me Einstein, if someone is violently attacking you would you go fetal and run your piehole?
Unprovoked Violence is wrong...Responding to violence with violence is SURVIVAL...
I can't believe how well the liberal Public Fool System, under the Dept of Indoctrination has warped you mind..
edit on 26-10-2011 by rebeldog because: spelling
Originally posted by TinkerHaus
reply to post by backinblack
Why would they need to accept it? Well WE need to accept it because it's inevitable.
Yes we have a right to peacefully assemble - does this mean we'll automatically get it?
Those who oppress are those who write and enforce the laws. That's why we need to accept that it's a reality that protesting in such large numbers, "occupying" town squares and city parks, screaming in the face of LEOs is going to bring retaliation.
We have accept it because it's REALITY. No matter what our Constitution says. Is it right? Definitely not. Is it reality? Well, we wouldn't be having this conversation if it wasn't.
You need to accept that this is inevitable, and that the change we are calling for cannot be obtained through violence.
ETA: I wonder how many of those calling for violent retaliation against police attacks have actually been out to an Occupy protest. It's easy to sit behind your desk and call for violent revolution, it's a different story when you're out there trying to accomplish something and you realize what violence on the part of protesters would mean.
ETA #2 - this is why I'm calling for protest that would be physically effective without being violent. Like refusing to pay our taxes. Striking. Shutting down economic centers through refusal to take part in a corrupt system, rather that trying to violently overthrow it. These will be the tools that bring about ACTUAL change. What you're calling for will bring only pain.
edit on 26-10-2011 by TinkerHaus because: (no reason given)edit on 26-10-2011 by TinkerHaus because: (no reason given)
Olsen's roommate, Keith Shannon, 24, told The Huffington Post that Olsen is still in the emergency room.
"Right now, he's under sedation," Shannon said. "He walked into the hospital." But soon after his arrival, Shannon said, doctors found that there was swelling in Olsen's brain and put him under. He did not get a chance to talk to his friend. "They are waiting for a neurosurgeon to examine him to see if he needs surgery or not," Shannon said. If he doesn't need an operation, he'll be moved to the intensive care unit.
Originally posted by rebeldog
the cops and all there back up would have lost the battle but won the war...If the scenario would have played out that way think about this:
1. the police number in the hundreds right?
2. the protestors number in the thousands right?
3. for every cop there are at least 10 street hardened gangsters (many tougher, bigger and stronger than the cops) armed and waiting for something like that to green light a 48hr cop kill..
side note:
while on the dark side (govt) I read intel which spell out a very dark plan by a few groups..AB (aryan brotherhood), 1%'rs (outlaw bikers), hammerskins and their ilks to in a martial law situation effectively slaughter every state and local cop within days.. They have the names, addresses, families homes, etc.. to carry it out. and that was in 2002..
I learned this while acting as a federal officer in a Border Tactical unit in San Diego (coast guard, atf, fbi, customs, dea, county, state, city police, border patrol).. so the info was legit.
Originally posted by mileysubet
Violence begets violence...
Originally posted by gunshooter
Originally posted by mileysubet
Violence begets violence...
"blah blah blah", did anyone else hear anything?
I'm tired of hearing this from people.
how do you think the revolution was won?
how do you think the Nazi's were defeated?
heck, even Tibetan monks have fighting monks in a monastery.
so please stop with those little comments that everyone should be good, and not hit back, don't push and shove in line, etc. etc. etc. we have been peacefully protesting, and getting what for it?
oh ya, beat, arrested, tricked and then arrested, gassed, shot at (even if it is with rubber bullets)
people are getting fed up with being kept down by TPTB.
We have already showed them that we can protest and not be violent, even when they are violent to us. Ya, violence begets violence, no duh!!! thats common sense right? What do you think happens when a criminal attacks an innocent person, and the innocent person shoots the criminal dead, violence begets violence right? RIGHT! That person defended their self right? But afterwards you don't see this innocent person running around shooting all of these other innocent people right? You can still use violence in a necessary way, sorry, but it's reality, and the world we live in, You still follow? Violence was necessary at that moment for peace to continue. The cops keep abusing protesters and if they (protesters) decide to stand up, and fight back we're in the wrong? violence will always beget violence, in some way shape or form. Look at all these other countries that stood up against their leaders, and government, fought back, protested, and won. We all praised them for doing so, then when it happens to our country, to a government that is known to be wrong, cruel, greedy, corrupt, we are in the wrong? These people want nothing but peace in their country, but they had to fight for it didn't they? I hope you will think before you write three little words again, please.