Massive Union just voted to join the Occupy Wall Street protests!

Originally posted by lonewolf19792000

Originally posted by TheOneElectric
It begins.

They need more support. Everyone in america needs to be out there in the damn streets protesting. Everyone needs to drop their jobs and lock this system up and bring this ride to a screetching halt. This is exactly the way to galvanize americans to wake up out of their self medicated delusory worlds.

YES, ABSOLUTELY!! That's exactly what I've been telling people. We The People have the power to make a change. If we don't work, they hurt. Get out in the streets and don't stop until a change that profits the people comes about. We have to stick together! I love it!

Originally posted by Jobeycool
This is down right scary stuff if this Wall Street protesting of more unions is true and grows real big.This is exactly like the stuff going on during world war 1 and 2.Some of these kids are clueless what they are getting involved in.There is good unions and they do help and protesting their rights can be a good thing.This thing is calling for entire corporations to be dismantled and major revolutions.Never seen this kind fo stuff in my life and do not be gullible if this gets worse and worse.It could turn like the middle east revolutions which is major major dangerous.

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Nothing to worry about, these commies who organize this stuff have been trying it for over a century here and it never turns into anything more than a whos who of lifetime professional protestors and their fans that cheer them on. Like the radical celebrity types, commies who infultrated top seats in Unions, radical publications etc.

Originally posted by RenauddeMontauban
reply to post by Fitch303

 

Anything to back that up?

Yea, look at Detroit.
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Want to know who you are protesting against? Take a look at the list of people who you are targeting:

American Business People

In addition, nearly 10% of all US representatives are Jewish, and of those, nearly 95% are Democrats, or leftists, same as it was in Germany during WWII. Do some homework and get surprised!

And so many people wonder why we stand by Israel? Well, doesn't take a rocket scientists to figure out which tail wags the US dog!

Originally posted by SanguineDenial

Originally posted by CerBeRus666
As for the "Unions", or organized crime...

...everything they touch, they destroy...and "Guess who gets to pay the price?"
Pathetic!!!

The watts powering your machine were created in a powerhouse built by Union Craftsmen. The power was carried to you on lines built by Union Linemen. When a storm knocks down those lines at 3am it is Union Linemen that leave their families and risk their lives so that you can charge your cellphone while you sleep. The data network you use to share your opinion goes through data centers build by Union Wiremen. When you bought your computer, it was brought to you on Union freight along with your food and your panties. When hurricanes destroy our Oil refineries, it is Union Craftsmen that travel across the nation to rebuild them while living in tent cities. Sorry that we have done so much to "destroy" your comfort zone.
Or maybe I'm completely wrong and you have built your own self sufficient power generating plant on your property. After which you built your own computer from parts at radio shack and somehow miracled your post onto ATS servers.

Touchy, touchy. The true hive mentality of the "Unionist" is in full steam, and how defensive they get when confronted by an independent man...the hive goes into full attack mode, each element nothing more then a small peace of the gigantic maniacal construct.

First to clear a few things, just for you:
- I live in four countries so I really don't know, or care, about your "Unions give you everything" rant. All I know, and care about, is that the services, machinery, and work I need done I pay for...end of story. I'm sure an engineer not holding a "Union" card will be able to get the job done...
- I do not discriminate, so I don't go around asking people providing me with a service if they are "Union", or not. That said, I am unable to answer your question.
- I own a couple of smallish businesses, none of my craftsmen are "Union". I pay them above the market price, and they seem to be happy with that. Why do I do it? Because I want the Best people working for me...I want them happy and accomplished, both as workers (for doing what they love passionately), and as Human Beings (not a piece of replaceable machinery).
- I own a factory in the Socialist Republic of Vietnam, theoretically a socialist/communist country, and have never heard of an "Union" there. They have Workers/Students/Youth Organizations fully integrated into the Communist Party of Vietnam. Again, I pay well above the stipulated wage. My Company is community oriented, and I have received various Honers, both from local, and national Vietnamese Government Officials. I'm willing to bet some of our components are in your computer
- As for my own stuff: All my computers are assembled by me, including laptops, and the hardware for them comes from all over the world...not sure how the Peoples Republic Of China views Unions...but I can guess, same goes for the Republic Of China (Taiwan), Singapore, Malaysia, and so on. I don't know about you (as a matter of fact I do), but about 90% of my electronic components come from places with child/slave labour. And most of the tools, components, clothing, and so on, used by "your glorified Union worker" also come from the same places...so, I really don't get your point about owning so much of my lifestyle to the Trade Unions

Speaking about my Long Island Home, which I consider my base, all shopping is done in local small businesses. My food is bought locally, organic when possible. All other appliances (specially sound) are bought at local NYC stores, that mostly carry pieces by small American/Canadian/UK artisans (so no Trade Unionist in those companies).
As for your little "joke" about the power plant, you are not totally wrong, but almost totally. My energy consumption is minimal, since I sell energy back to my supplier in the brightest months. If I where to use my generators I could, in fact, go totally independent (it would just be a bit more expensive).

I would also like to mention that I did not directly want to attack Trade Unions (I prefer to just ignore them).
It just seems strange to me that in the so-called "Age of Awakening" people find it acceptable to:
a) Be labelled, herded, and processed, like cattle, or a simple piece of machinery working for the "Collective".
b) People need to have a card, or chip, in their hands, in order to obtain any sense of worth.
c) Some people find it perfectly acceptable to replace a tyrannical system by another tyrannical system.
d) The lack of self awareness, self respect, and self worth.
I was under the impression that this site was built around the idea of the Individual fighting the schizoid society, in which we live, not creating a far more dangerous, pernicious, and malignant "New Collective".


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Where has the "Great Generation's" motto gone? "To leave a better world for our children, then the one we encountered!"...

Maybe it was also "Unionised", or replaced by an "individual" with so low self-esteem that, like the "Borg" he is, just wants the Government to rob society for his special interest group, of course, and give him more money (credit) to consume, consume, consume...

"The hell with the future of our children, somebody, someday, will pay for our self-loathing". Says the new Collective!

Don't you find it strange that we seem to always be going to where we began? What awakening is that?
Are so many "people" in our society in a state of auto-hypnosis, of programmed auto-control? Have so many become Docile Social Bodies, to be used, and abused, by successive puppeteers?

Where is the "New Free-Willed Individual" we where supposed to be creating???

Seems to me that most just want to drag us down to their schizophrenic existence. Abandon Humanity to "THE THEY"!!!

I'm going there this weekend to join the voices of my people. This con game must stop and the voices of the young and passionate will be heard. I am a middle man (33) neither young nor old, yet bridge the two between wisdom and innovation. We need the youth to come up with the solutions, and we need the old to iron out a polish those solutions.

reply to post by Chewingonmushrooms


While you're up there, throw some egg on BofA and the other extortionists!
Take that $60/ye fee and show them what you can buy with it!

Originally posted by Cuervo

Originally posted by Fitch303
Unions have destroyed just as much of our industrial base as wall street has.

You like not having to work 61-hour workweeks as an average? You like weekends? You like that children aren't allowed to be exploited for slave labor? You like not being fired if you are out because of an injury or sickness? You like equal opportunities in the workplace?

You can thank unions for all of those. If it weren't for unions, we would still be living like we were in the industrial revolution. We owe them.

I have voluntarily worked more than 40 hours. It's called being productive.

But more to the point, you are generally correct that unions did help our civilization move forward from the industrial revolution. But that was like, totally last century. Now unions are anachronisms, dinosaurs. They are more corrupt now than the robber barons of old.

Originally posted by haarvik
And if the revolution starts, who care who starts it and why? The point is it is starting. Good or bad, started by whom and for what purpose is irrelevant at this stage of the game. Get behind the revolution, join the masses and make your voice heard. Nothing will change if we sit back and arm chair it.

You're right, it doesn't matter who starts it - it matters who ENDS it. I've seen these sorts of "coalitions" among political opposites start before, against an ostensibly common enemy, and in the end, when the dust settles, ONE faction takes the whole ball of wax, and starts "liquidating" their former allies.

I've also seen which faction has the penchant for doing that sort of "housecleaning and consolidation" after the smoke clears and the dust of the victory settles.

Ask Eden Pastora whether or not you should be leery of your "allies" in a "Glorious people's Revolution". I think he's still living, and runs some sort of one man 'gator safari business.

Ask Leon Trotsky about it - no, wait, scratch that one. You'll wait a long time in silence for an answer.

No, I'm not about to get all grins and giggles with folks who I KNOW are gonna be gunning for me next after I've helped them beat their opponents.

reply to post by nenothtu


And right you are, however remember that your allies in this fight are also not a violent ally. I would venture to say that if they tried to usurp the people they manipulated, there would be a very violent reaction to it!

England is Blacked out with the Michael Jackson court case, English media and the government are # scared that this will happen in London...

More proof if needed that our national media outlets are manipulating the media and our heads.
the time has come..

With synchronicity let me say: This is It!

reply to post by Vitchilo


Great news. May the growing numbers keep growing.

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I don't know if you guys can see this, but look at it this picture!

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Freaking awesome!
What a mass of people!

Originally posted by haarvik
reply to post by nenothtu

 

And right you are, however remember that your allies in this fight are also not a violent ally. I would venture to say that if they tried to usurp the people they manipulated, there would be a very violent reaction to it!

In most of your average "People's Revolutions" over the last hundred years or so, they start with a serious displeasure among the populace, then move to more or less open confilct, but "undirected", then various coalitions start coalescing. In the ones where the "leftists" (as a catchall term for Marxist-Socialist-Communist organizations) get involved, they work their way to the top, since no one is quite as good at organizing as a leftist, enlist and direct the rank-and-file, then after the dust settles, the leftists take the prize, the rank-and-file usually revolts or just grumbles, and the new bosses squash them even more ruthlessly than the old bosses.

In my first example, Eden Pastora, he was one of those Nicaraguan Sandinistas who was actually OF the people and FOR the people. They were in the majority. The marxist variety of Sandinista never numbered more than about 2000 core cadre, but mobilized much larger numbers of what Stalin called "useful idiots". After the victory was achieved, and before the dust even settled, marxist Daniel Ortega took the whole thing, sidelined Pastora and the people in favor of a glorious workers paradise that was anything but that.

Pastora had to find NEW allies then, just to survive, and the Contras were born as a reaction to that state of affairs. Here in the states when one hears "Contras" one things of CIA dope smugglers and the like, since that's all that the leftists screamed about in their propaganda, but that's not the actual way it went. Pastora was a Nicaraguan through and through, and a Sandinista to boot, but had to keep the fight going after the "victory" since the new boss was even worse than the old boss. You may be more familiar with him under the name "Commandante Cerro".

The Contras were, of course, crushed over a period of a couple of years. It took 15 more years of low-level conflicts and toilet paper rationing before the people got rifd of the marxists, and that was only temporary. ortega is back in the black now, last I heard. It's a never-ending conflict.

All I'm really saying is keep your friends close, and keep some of them even closer, already KNOWING that they aren't really friends. Don't be a "useful idiot". My choice is already made. I'll not break bread today with folks I know are going to try to kill me tonight, but that's MY choice. Your mileage may vary. I don't want to fight the same war/revolution over and over and over.

ETA: that's sort of the whole idea behind crushing "counterrevolutionaries". Enlist the useful idiots, take the prize, then crush 'em if they don't like it and kick up a fuss. It's the leftist way of politics.

reply to post by CerBeRus666


"independant man?"
Who is trying to kid who with that? I do not read those words on my screen because you are independant. You actually depend on the work of thousands of people before you, many of them Union in order for anyone but you to read what you just wrote.

Originally posted by bftroop

You really want banks to pay attention. While your protesting stop in at your bank pull out your money and close your accounts. That's where the real protest will begin. If people started closing accounts in mass numbers, bankers wouldn't be smiling anymore. Your money is their money as long as it sits in their bank.

When you take your money back they lose control. Crooked banks will fall quickly. IMO this is where the revolution begins.

For those of you that don't think banks are destroying this country you are dead wrong. Banks for years have made it their mission to put you in debt. And they have succeeded.

I already have. Pulled all my money out, closed all my accounts, and got rid of all my debt. I owe nothing to them at this point.

As icing on the cake, I've been informed that I am involved in a "class action" suit against BoA, and stand to retrieve more of what they stole, and with any luck watch them struggle a bit.

Some times, stuff just works.

This is so awesome! I really hope that this movement keeps building steam, I am relieved that there still is an America that will stand up for what they believe in. I am just sorry I am over on the west coast and not able to see it for myself. ' going to see if there are any San Francisco demonstrations planned. Keep up the good work everyone lets keep adding fuel to this "fire."

Originally posted by Leo Strauss
1980 - Average CEO's Pay was 42x the average workers pay

2010 - Average CEO's Pay was 343x the average workers pay

Wait - what? I thought the unions were "equalizing" economic disparities. That seems not to be reflected in your figures there...

That is allot of angry young people Hope you have allot of sandbags for you and your Royalist friends.

I've got enough for me - any "Royalists" will have to look after themselves. My main problem is getting the sandbags filled all by myself - is there a Sandbag Filler's Union I could hire the work out to?