Am i the only one who supports Israel

Originally posted by dragonseeker
question to all of you using religion as a basis of support for israel..how do you not see the contradiction between what jesus taught and what israel does every day? how do you look at the bible, look at israel's actions, and not see that they are completely inconsistent? I'm not being a jerk here, I really, truly want to know..

Good morning to you first of all...The only way i can explain it is the bible..I teaches you all about it..Every thing i posted is the truth. God and Jesus are not proud of Israels actions what so ever,how ever there is a plan for Israel and all who come against them and also Israel for coming against them. IN order to under stand you really have to read the bible..To understand is to understand from the beginning of time in Israel..Then you will see.. This isn't saying what people in Israel are doing is correct,Cause its not what so ever..IF you know what Jesus want for Israel then dig a bit deeper and you'll find more of the truth..There is really nothing more i can say about this subject,because its all biblical...How ever good morning to ya..Hope you have a great day..

Originally posted by BRAVO949


eeks - the people who claim to be "Jews" today are not the descendants of the people described in the Bible and there is no way you can prove that they are even related to the Biblical people either by using the Bible or by using DNA tests.

So we can't tell who are Jews do to DNA being so diverse, but you can say with authority that they are not.

No logic in that.

If one can't prove that they are with DNA, then on the converse, one can't prove that they are not based on DNA>

You may be as "Jewish" as any other person on the planet.

There are tens of millions of people alive today who have DNA from the Biblical area of Palestine and they are every race, religion and culture.

That is why being a Jew is not just bloodline.

Anyone who follows the commands of YHWH is a Hebrew (of which Judah (Jews) are one subset).

The message of Christianity - is not love some people and not others.

Agreed.

The message of Christianity - is not love some people more that others.

Disagree. The order is God, family, neighbors and friends, everyone else.

The message of Christianity - is not some people are favored by God and others are not.

So no one goes to Heaven or Hell . . .

The message of Christianity - is not some ground on this earth is sacred and other places are not.

I seem to remember YHWH saying something about Israel being His land and Jerusalem is His city.

The message of Christianity - is not that some people can be sacrificed for the sake of others.

Yeshua would like to have a word with you.

Humanity,

As far as I know and I can find a reference if you want, the pre-1948 Zionsits actually called themselves terrorists.

Are you aware of that?

Do you agree with their self-description?

Do you know that they are on tape saying that they were trying to create terror?

Do you know that they are on tape saying that they were trying to create as much terror as possible?

Can you admit that Israel was created by terror?

Can you admit that Yitshak Shamir was a terrorist?

Can you admit that Menachem Begin was a terrorist?

Can you admit that Rham Emanuel's father was a terrorist?

Can you admit that Bronfman family from Canada financed Israel / Zionist terrorism?

Humanity - for God's sake - is it any different to see a photo of an Ukranian SS troop fire a bullet right through the head of a Communist Jew in 1944 (cosidered a terrorist by the German government) than to see a video of an Israel soldier trying to break the bones of a Palestinian man?

Is it a matter of the fact that you think you share the same DNA as the Communist Jew from 1944 and the DNA of the Israeli soldier and condemn the SS troop and the Plaestinian because they do not share you DNA?

Because, Humanity, if that is true you should consider changing your name to OneOfChosenOnes because "Humanity" is not obsolving one and condemning another on the basis of genetics.

In fact that is the classic definition of racism.

I really don't think you are a bad person you just have not thought all of this through.

Stand there in your mind beside the 1944 Jew and get brains splattered on your face and stand beside a Palestinian shot by an IDF troop and get brains splattered on your face and tell me if it feels like a crime in one case and justified in another.

Originally posted by Humanity4Ever
reply to post by Nammu

 

Of course I'm not using historical precedent to justify the murder of civilians. I will never condone the deaths of civilians, whether they be Israeli, Palestinian, or any other nationality. You are missing the point of my post. I am merely pointing out the blatant hypocrisy on display by far too many people who are so quick to condemn Israel for the manner in which they respond to deliberate terrorists attacks on their civilians. I acknowledge that Palestinian civilians have been killed during the Intafada, and it is unfortunate, because they are caught in the crossfire of a war waged by the inhumane militants that hide behind them. If you condemn Israel for retaliating against specific terrorist targets with the knowledge that civilians are deliberately placed in harms way, I ask you and others honest questions...

How is Israel supposed to respond when hundreds of rockets are being fired on their civilians?

Is the IDF supposed to sit idly by while terror rains on the Israeli population, because militants use human shields and hide weaponry in schools, mosques, and hospitals?

How do you HONESTLY believe another western nation would respond in similar circumstances?

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Originally posted by eeks4

Originally posted by dragonseeker
question to all of you using religion as a basis of support for israel..how do you not see the contradiction between what jesus taught and what israel does every day? how do you look at the bible, look at israel's actions, and not see that they are completely inconsistent? I'm not being a jerk here, I really, truly want to know..

Good morning to you first of all...The only way i can explain it is the bible..I teaches you all about it..Every thing i posted is the truth. God and Jesus are not proud of Israels actions what so ever,how ever there is a plan for Israel and all who come against them and also Israel for coming against them. IN order to under stand you really have to read the bible..To understand is to understand from the beginning of time in Israel..Then you will see.. This isn't saying what people in Israel are doing is correct,Cause its not what so ever..IF you know what Jesus want for Israel then dig a bit deeper and you'll find more of the truth..There is really nothing more i can say about this subject,because its all biblical...How ever good morning to ya..Hope you have a great day..

You seem like a decent person, so I won't be nasty..but, I really think this is a point of view not grounded in any kind of reality. just my opinion, hope you respect that as I respect(but don't agree) with yours..

Originally posted by BRAVO949
Humanity,

As far as I know and I can find a reference if you want, the pre-1948 Zionsits actually called themselves terrorists.

Are you aware of that?

Do you agree with their self-description?

Do you know that they are on tape saying that they were trying to create terror?

Do you know that they are on tape saying that they were trying to create as much terror as possible?

Can you admit that Israel was created by terror?

Can you admit that Yitshak Shamir was a terrorist?

Can you admit that Menachem Begin was a terrorist?

Can you admit that Rham Emanuel's father was a terrorist?

Can you admit that Bronfman family from Canada financed Israel / Zionist terrorism?

Humanity - for God's sake - is it any different to see a photo of an Ukranian SS troop fire a bullet right through the head of a Communist Jew in 1944 (cosidered a terrorist by the German government) than to see a video of an Israel soldier trying to break the bones of a Palestinian man?

Is it a matter of the fact that you think you share the same DNA as the Communist Jew from 1944 and the DNA of the Israeli soldier and condemn the SS troop and the Plaestinian because they do not share you DNA?

Because, Humanity, if that is true you should consider changing your name to OneOfChosenOnes because "Humanity" is not obsolving one and condemning another on the basis of genetics.

In fact that is the classic definition of racism.

I really don't think you are a bad person you just have not thought all of this through.

Stand there in your mind beside the 1944 Jew and get brains splattered on your face and stand beside a Palestinian shot by an IDF troop and get brains splattered on your face and tell me if it feels like a crime in one case and justified in another.

Originally posted by Humanity4Ever
reply to post by Nammu

 

Of course I'm not using historical precedent to justify the murder of civilians. I will never condone the deaths of civilians, whether they be Israeli, Palestinian, or any other nationality. You are missing the point of my post. I am merely pointing out the blatant hypocrisy on display by far too many people who are so quick to condemn Israel for the manner in which they respond to deliberate terrorists attacks on their civilians. I acknowledge that Palestinian civilians have been killed during the Intafada, and it is unfortunate, because they are caught in the crossfire of a war waged by the inhumane militants that hide behind them. If you condemn Israel for retaliating against specific terrorist targets with the knowledge that civilians are deliberately placed in harms way, I ask you and others honest questions...

How is Israel supposed to respond when hundreds of rockets are being fired on their civilians?

Is the IDF supposed to sit idly by while terror rains on the Israeli population, because militants use human shields and hide weaponry in schools, mosques, and hospitals?

How do you HONESTLY believe another western nation would respond in similar circumstances?

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good post, but I'm realizing that with those whose defense of israel is based on religion, no amount of logic will suffice. their "faith" trumps logic in their mind..

Originally posted by dragonseeker

good post, but I'm realizing that with those whose defense of israel is based on religion, no amount of logic will suffice. their "faith" trumps logic in their mind..

Frustrating, isn't it?

I hope that most people in the world feel exactly the same when a kid from another country, culture, religion is hungry, hurt or happy than they feel when a kid from their country, culture, religion is hungry, hurt or happy.

It seems some want to condemn me for that.

No one is born a Jew, Christian, Muslim or any other religion. They "convert" from innocence to whatever under pressure from parents society.

How about this?

Yoy start drinking and driving at any age you feel confrtable with it but you have to be 21 to learn religion and 25 to join the military.

Now that would be a revolution!

reply to post by Humanity4Ever


There is nothing to negotiate about though regarding a two state solution, the world has already made it quite clear to Israel what it must do, return to its lawful June 1967 borders. Once the half a million or so settlers on the west bank are gone and East Jerusalem rightfully becomes the capital of Palestine you can start negotiating about specifics. Negotiating with Israel while still under illegal occupation is like saying you should negotiate with a thief on how many times a month you get to drive the car he just stole from you.....only in the weird and wacky world of Israeli propaganda is the situation regarding a two state solution complicated, get our of their country and then get together and start talking.

Originally posted by BRAVO949

Originally posted by dragonseeker

good post, but I'm realizing that with those whose defense of israel is based on religion, no amount of logic will suffice. their "faith" trumps logic in their mind..

Frustrating, isn't it?

I hope that most people in the world feel exactly the same when a kid from another country, culture, religion is hungry, hurt or happy than they feel when a kid from their country, culture, religion is hungry, hurt or happy.

It seems some want to condemn me for that.

No one is born a Jew, Christian, Muslim or any other religion. They "convert" from innocence to whatever under pressure from parents society.

How about this?

Yoy start drinking and driving at any age you feel confrtable with it but you have to be 21 to learn religion and 25 to join the military.

Now that would be a revolution!

frustrating indeed, and, it has made me even MORE anti-religion. every "christian" I've ever dealt with has been the most hateful, mean-spirited, close-minded, homophobic, duplicitous, delusional, authority-loving person you could imagine. I KNOW not all are like that..but that's been what I've experienced. Hell, I know witches with more compassion..honestly, if christ ever DID come back, they'd murder him. bloodthirsty scheming mother#ers..

reply to post by BRAVO949


BRAVO, I am aware of the history of Begin and Shamir. I also made it clear in my post that I do not condone the deaths of civilians, regardless of their heritage or religious affiliation. However, if we are going to have a serious discussion about the current state of affairs in Israel, it must be based on the realities of the situation. I cannot acknowledge your comparison of the IDF to the Nazi soldiers. The mere notion is absolutely ridiculous, despite what is depicted in a few questionable youtube videos. Palestinian civilians have unfortunately been casualties caught in the crossfire of Israeli retaliation against terrorist aggression, but that is a far cry from the deliberate massacre of millions of Jews among others in Nazi Germany my friend. If you can't see the difference, you need to research WWII further. I mentioned to you that I am not religious, and I don't subscribe to the Zionist supremist nonsense as part of my identity, so my opinion is not based on any sense of false or prejudice rationalization.

I believe that the never ending cycle of violence in the region is apalling. It is a crime when innocent people have to die under any circumstances. Be that as it may, a sovereign nation has an obligation to react to deliberate terrorist attacks and katusha rockets being fired on it's civilian population, does it not?

So, I'll ask again, because my questions were ignored. Given the current circumstances, Israel is unlikely to negotiate a peace agreement with Palestinian factions that are at odds with one another in their willingness to acknowledge the existence of a Jewish State, regardless of the borders. Therefore, in the likely event that terrorist attacks continue, how should the Israeli government respond?

I'm not sure if the OP is still on this thread. I don't come on here much anymore because it's the same old rants and not much that's actually interesting. But I'd like to say that while it's not a popular belief, you're not alone in your support.

However, as evident in every thread like this, any historical fact that is linked from another website is disregarded because those websites are always considered biased (even though their own argument links are, at best, Wiki). Anyone who supports Israel is a puppet/troll/zionist. Israel is evil. Etc.

We can only hope those who happen across threads like this with true unbias will read the factual information and see both sides of things instead of the sensationalized stuff. We have enough of that in the media.

Regarding the facts that so many more Palestinian children die in attacks than Israeli children, same with general civilians ... Are we to blame Israel for actually caring about their citizens enough to actually build gigantic cement bomb protection over schools and a bomb shelter at every bus station in highly targeted cities? Maybe if the Palestinian side protects their innocents instead of hiding behind them, the numbers would balance out a bit.

Of course, I think it's sad that anyone who's innocent have to be put in the middle. I don't think either side is perfect, but to put so much blame on the Israel side in such a blind manner is kind of absurd IMHO. I used to be pretty middle ground about this whole situation with a bit more compassion for the Palestinian side. Then I had a short visit to Israel, saw a completely different view even in just those few days, and it changed my mind a lot. I still feel bad for the Palestinian civilians who are caught in the middle, but it actually kind of angers me that what's done from the Palestinian side seems to not matter to those who don't support Israel. From visiting places that were rocketed almost daily, people's livelihoods being constantly damaged because according to those here, "oh it's just an empty field that their rocket landed on, it's not hurting anyone", it's pretty unfair based on what I've seen.

And no, I'm not religious, since that seems to be the argument here half the time. I know people who would be termed Zionists but I can assure you they are not murderers or whatever other insulting names people here have been flinging around. In fact, those I know probably give to more charities than most other people I know. And I know a lot of good people from all religion as well as atheists.

Humanity,

Could you go so far as to admit that Shamir and Begin were terrorists?

Many Zionists of that era described themselves as terrorists. I hope that people who support Israel as the OP suggests can admit that Israel was created by terrorists by way of terrorism.

So if we can agree with that and put ourselves in the shoes of the British we could say the same thing about British policy toward the Jewish / Zionist terrorists.

According to your words, the British would have been justified in wiping out the Jewish terrorists and "retaliating" as you said below, against all Jews in Palestine pre-1948.

If the British would have killed every Jewish / Zionist terrorists and every Jew who supported the Jewish / Zionist terrorists and applied an iron grip to the Zionists, Israel would not exist today.

Can you imagine British aircraft in 1946 bombing Jewish settlements in Palestine and British artillery blasting the hell out of Jewish neighborhoods in retaliation for the Jewish / Zionist terrorist attacks against British troops?

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Can you honestly not see that the Jewish / Zionist terrorists of 1946, 47, 48 were just as bad or worse than any group you feel threatens Israel today?
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As our friend mentions above, there is nothing to negotiate. Palestinians do not need to recognise Israel in anyway let alone recognise its right to exist or to recognise Israel as a Jewish state.

When the US negotiated with the Soviet Union over nuclear arms the USSR did not insist that the US recognise its right to exist.

The "right to exist" clause is the mother of all red herrings - to mix a metaphor.

It is just something Israeli leaders blab on and on about and the media repeats like demented parrots.

So in a word, no Israel is not justified in trying to starve to death the people of Gaza and humiliate every soul in the West Bank and Jerusalem.

Originally posted by Humanity4Ever
reply to post by BRAVO949

 

BRAVO, I am aware of the history of Begin and Shamir. I also made it clear in my post that I do not condone the deaths of civilians, regardless of their heritage or religious affiliation. However, if we are going to have a serious discussion about the current state of affairs in Israel, it must be based on the realities of the situation. I cannot acknowledge your comparison of the IDF to the Nazi soldiers. The mere notion is absolutely ridiculous, despite what is depicted in a few questionable youtube videos. Palestinian civilians have unfortunately been casualties caught in the crossfire of Israeli retaliation against terrorist aggression, but that is a far cry from the deliberate massacre of millions of Jews among others in Nazi Germany my friend. If you can't see the difference, you need to research WWII further. I mentioned to you that I am not religious, and I don't subscribe to the Zionist supremist nonsense as part of my identity, so my opinion is not based on any sense of false or prejudice rationalization.

I believe that the never ending cycle of violence in the region is apalling. It is a crime when innocent people have to die under any circumstances. Be that as it may, a sovereign nation has an obligation to react to deliberate terrorist attacks and katusha rockets being fired on it's civilian population, does it not?

So, I'll ask again, because my questions were ignored. Given the current circumstances, Israel is unlikely to negotiate a peace agreement with Palestinian factions that are at odds with one another in their willingness to acknowledge the existence of a Jewish State, regardless of the borders. Therefore, in the likely event that terrorist attacks continue, how should the Israeli government respond?

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reply to post by Humanity4Ever


Well that hypocracy does not belong to me. I condone any killing and any mistreatment of innocent civilians wherever they happen and no matter who commits them.

When hundreds of rockets are fired at Israel they should get the guys that did it sure, they have a right to do that, but taking out innocents in the process is still murder. Collateral damage just does not fly. Murder is murder, no matter how much gold you paint on that turd it'll wash of quickly.

Surely one of the most advanced armies in the world can take out a few guys with peashooters without having to blow up a building full of innocents?

Or do you feel that the lives of those innocent men, women and children are worth it to get to that one bad guy?

At least the shield is up and running, finally. It seemed to take a loooooooong time to get that installed. Unfortunately Palestinian civilians don't have the luxury of a shield to protect them from Israeli bombs.

And by the way, US/UK are just as bad in Iraq and Afghanistan with the murder of civilians, but at least they dont keep them in a cage.

Originally posted by ATSdelurker
I'm not sure if the OP is still on this thread. I don't come on here much anymore because it's the same old rants and not much that's actually interesting. But I'd like to say that while it's not a popular belief, you're not alone in your support.

However, as evident in every thread like this, any historical fact that is linked from another website is disregarded because those websites are always considered biased (even though their own argument links are, at best, Wiki). Anyone who supports Israel is a puppet/troll/zionist. Israel is evil. Etc.

We can only hope those who happen across threads like this with true unbias will read the factual information and see both sides of things instead of the sensationalized stuff. We have enough of that in the media.

Regarding the facts that so many more Palestinian children die in attacks than Israeli children, same with general civilians ... Are we to blame Israel for actually caring about their citizens enough to actually build gigantic cement bomb protection over schools and a bomb shelter at every bus station in highly targeted cities? Maybe if the Palestinian side protects their innocents instead of hiding behind them, the numbers would balance out a bit.

Of course, I think it's sad that anyone who's innocent have to be put in the middle. I don't think either side is perfect, but to put so much blame on the Israel side in such a blind manner is kind of absurd IMHO. I used to be pretty middle ground about this whole situation with a bit more compassion for the Palestinian side. Then I had a short visit to Israel, saw a completely different view even in just those few days, and it changed my mind a lot. I still feel bad for the Palestinian civilians who are caught in the middle, but it actually kind of angers me that what's done from the Palestinian side seems to not matter to those who don't support Israel. From visiting places that were rocketed almost daily, people's livelihoods being constantly damaged because according to those here, "oh it's just an empty field that their rocket landed on, it's not hurting anyone", it's pretty unfair based on what I've seen.

And no, I'm not religious, since that seems to be the argument here half the time. I know people who would be termed Zionists but I can assure you they are not murderers or whatever other insulting names people here have been flinging around. In fact, those I know probably give to more charities than most other people I know. And I know a lot of good people from all religion as well as atheists.

edit on 29-9-2011 by ATSdelurker because: I just had a baby and my typing skill has plummeted.

Excellent post.

Originally posted by ATSdelurker
I'm not sure if the OP is still on this thread. I don't come on here much anymore because it's the same old rants and not much that's actually interesting. But I'd like to say that while it's not a popular belief, you're not alone in your support.

However, as evident in every thread like this, any historical fact that is linked from another website is disregarded because those websites are always considered biased (even though their own argument links are, at best, Wiki). Anyone who supports Israel is a puppet/troll/zionist. Israel is evil. Etc.

We can only hope those who happen across threads like this with true unbias will read the factual information and see both sides of things instead of the sensationalized stuff. We have enough of that in the media.

Regarding the facts that so many more Palestinian children die in attacks than Israeli children, same with general civilians ... Are we to blame Israel for actually caring about their citizens enough to actually build gigantic cement bomb protection over schools and a bomb shelter at every bus station in highly targeted cities? Maybe if the Palestinian side protects their innocents instead of hiding behind them, the numbers would balance out a bit.

Of course, I think it's sad that anyone who's innocent have to be put in the middle. I don't think either side is perfect, but to put so much blame on the Israel side in such a blind manner is kind of absurd IMHO. I used to be pretty middle ground about this whole situation with a bit more compassion for the Palestinian side. Then I had a short visit to Israel, saw a completely different view even in just those few days, and it changed my mind a lot. I still feel bad for the Palestinian civilians who are caught in the middle, but it actually kind of angers me that what's done from the Palestinian side seems to not matter to those who don't support Israel. From visiting places that were rocketed almost daily, people's livelihoods being constantly damaged because according to those here, "oh it's just an empty field that their rocket landed on, it's not hurting anyone", it's pretty unfair based on what I've seen.

And no, I'm not religious, since that seems to be the argument here half the time. I know people who would be termed Zionists but I can assure you they are not murderers or whatever other insulting names people here have been flinging around. In fact, those I know probably give to more charities than most other people I know. And I know a lot of good people from all religion as well as atheists.

edit on 29-9-2011 by ATSdelurker because: I just had a baby and my typing skill has plummeted.

did you have occassion to visit gaza or west bank? I'm betting it looks a lot different on the other side of the fence. the rafah/gaza border is open now, AFAIK.

reply to post by dragonseeker


I'm a really nice christian for real..I haven't really met any mean Christians....But i dont live in the city as well..If that has anything to do with it,,,If the Christians are mean than there really not Christians at heart what so ever..So you have had bad experiences with other people who claim to be Christians..A true christian is very different..

reply to post by BRAVO949


BRAVO, I'm aware of the history of right wing Zionist groups in the region. I'm also aware that at the onset of WWII, millions of jews were desperately trying to ecape annihilation at the hands of the Nazis by fleeing to Palestine. The British Government, based on the recommendation of the Peel Commission Report in 1937, had outlined a mandate for a two state partition in Palestine to provide a safe haven for both Jews and Arabs in a peaceful coexistence, insulated from Nazi persecution. However, under the influence of the Arab Authority in Palestine, the mandate of the Peel Commission Report was susbsequently abandoned by the British Government.

In 1939, under the influence of the Palestinian Arab Authority, the British Government then introduced and legislated the MacDonald White Paper, which essentially contradicted everything that was outlined in the Peel Commission Report. The White Paper prevented the immigration of millions of jews to Palestine, resulting in the unnecessary execution of a multitude of jews that were denied a safe haven in Palestine. The jews seeking refuge had initially fled to Palestine based on the mandate of the Peel Commission Report only to be rejected, and subsequently led to the slaughterhouse.

I assume that at that point, with millions of jews having perished, certain factions within the right wing Zionist movement felt betrayed, and took matters into their own hands in order to try and expedite the establishment of what was initially promised and then abandoned; an independent jewish state.

In retrospect, I suppose the British responded to the bombing of the King David Hotel in a manner in which they felt was appropriate.

As for the subject matter of our discussion, I don't think the isolated King David Hotel incident in 1946 is analagous with the incessant Palestinian terrorist attacks that have deliberately targeted Israeli civilians for the last few decades.

reply to post by Humanity4Ever


they're analagous to to the 9/11 attacks....these zionists have no qualms about killing many people and blowing up property when it comes to their agenda....that's why no one in the government opposes them...that i promise...

Originally posted by patternfinder
reply to post by Humanity4Ever

 

they're analagous to to the 9/11 attacks....these zionists have no qualms about killing many people and blowing up property when it comes to their agenda....that's why no one in the government opposes them...that i promise...

Who are "these Zionists"?

Are you referring to the left wing government of Ehud Olmert in 2005, which relinquished occupied territory by forcefully removing thousands of jewish settlers from Gaza in a bold gesture towards peace, only to have Palestinian militants fire rockets on Israeli civilians from closer range?

Or are you referring to the right wing government of Netanyahu that has understandably taken a more aggressive stance since then?

Originally posted by Humanity4Ever

Originally posted by patternfinder
reply to post by Humanity4Ever

 

they're analagous to to the 9/11 attacks....these zionists have no qualms about killing many people and blowing up property when it comes to their agenda....that's why no one in the government opposes them...that i promise...

Who are "these Zionists"?

Are you referring to the left wing government of Ehud Olmert in 2005, which relinquished occupied territory by forcefully removing thousands of jewish settlers from Gaza in a bold gesture towards peace, only to have Palestinian militants fire rockets on Israeli civilians from closer range?

Or are you referring to the right wing government of Netanyahu that has understandably taken a more aggressive stance since then?

edit on 30-9-2011 by Humanity4Ever because: (no reason given)

i'm talking about the zionists who occupy this country, our government, our media, our press, our federal reserve, aipac, pnac, council on foreign relations, and any and all israeli governments, the same ones that trained the georgians to fight and rebel against russia then turned around an ran, the same ones that did the mumbai attacks and got caught using fake british passports, the same ones that are responsible for getting us into all the wars we've ever been in, the same ones that are responsible for the patriot act, the same ones that are trying to sensor the internet right now because they think everyone is antisemitic, the same ones who passed legislation in europe that says that if you get caught even questioning the holocaust even a little bit, you will be thrown in prison for 3 years, the same ones who payed hitler to do what he did to the jews in germany so they would be willing to leave their cushy business, banks, positions in government to go populate a sand dune in the middle east......the same ones who killed john f kennedy because he was going to end their power by getting rid of the federal reserve, make aipac register as a foreign agency and inspect israel's nuke sites.....that's just the tip of the iceburg........

Humanity,

You seem to want to avoid spitting out the words, "Yes the two former Israeli Prime Ministers, Yitshak Shamir and Menachem Begin were terrorists in every sense of the term.

You also seem to want to lebel them as right-wing to discredit and marginalize them.

I agree that they should be discredited and amrginalized but mainly because they bloody Zionis,t murdering, terrorist bastards not because they were right-wing or left-wing.

There were and are left and right-wing Zionist terrorists.

Do a little math and the common factor is "Zionist."

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Your reference to history is not quite right - either.

Find the document that mentions a "state" for Jews - anywhere, please. If you can do that I will admit I am wrong.

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Again, for the six millionth time - Britain had no right to give land to European Jews that did not belong to them.

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Zionists seem to latch onto that "giving land away" concept but how about if Russai told the Chinsee, "We believe in a two state solution in Israel and we are giving you Chinese 2/3rds of the land the Jews now call Israel. Go ahead and start sending a million people there a month for the next two years."

Humanity - Jews have lived in China for over 2,000 years. That means Chinese have had a connection with Jerusalem for 2,000 years. That means they have a right to "return" there.

So how a chain of statements can be linked together to claim damn near anything?

ZIONISM is a FRAUD

Originally posted by Humanity4Ever
reply to post by BRAVO949

 

BRAVO, I'm aware of the history of right wing Zionist groups in the region. I'm also aware that at the onset of WWII, millions of jews were desperately trying to ecape annihilation at the hands of the Nazis by fleeing to Palestine. The British Government, based on the recommendation of the Peel Commission Report in 1937, had outlined a mandate for a two state partition in Palestine to provide a safe haven for both Jews and Arabs in a peaceful coexistence, insulated from Nazi persecution. However, under the influence of the Arab Authority in Palestine, the mandate of the Peel Commission Report was susbsequently abandoned by the British Government.

In 1939, under the influence of the Palestinian Arab Authority, the British Government then introduced and legislated the MacDonald White Paper, which essentially contradicted everything that was outlined in the Peel Commission Report. The White Paper prevented the immigration of millions of jews to Palestine, resulting in the unnecessary execution of a multitude of jews that were denied a safe haven in Palestine. The jews seeking refuge had initially fled to Palestine based on the mandate of the Peel Commission Report only to be rejected, and subsequently led to the slaughterhouse.

I assume that at that point, with millions of jews having perished, certain factions within the right wing Zionist movement felt betrayed, and took matters into their own hands in order to try and expedite the establishment of what was initially promised and then abandoned; an independent jewish state.

In retrospect, I suppose the British responded to the bombing of the King David Hotel in a manner in which they felt was appropriate.

As for the subject matter of our discussion, I don't think the isolated King David Hotel incident in 1946 is analagous with the incessant Palestinian terrorist attacks that have deliberately targeted Israeli civilians for the last few decades.

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