Occupy Wall Street Has Begun!

the monster that is American capitalism and imperialism

Please explain to me why you hate capitalism.

Originally posted by ColCurious
reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus

 

Anti-CORPORATE sentiment dude, learn to read.
I saw you posting a lot of unbacked, misguided and plain wrong statements by now, so Im not surprised at all that yet again you chose to ignore the true meaning of words and jump to conclusions that fit your narrow-minded pov.
I have friends in NJ who would disagree with you...

I couldnt care less how you regard my comments anyways, since you are obviously not able to understand.
As I said before, there is no point in arguing with you.

As long as you put America in back of the word corporate it is anti American to me. That's my statement. Take it or leave it. Many corporations are not even strictly American anymore, many are International. That is the really insane part of it. The Globalists are Internationalists and do not believe in national sovereignty. That means, that if you are a German citizen they do not recognize your national sovereignty. Their attacks on nationalism are merely a way to promote Internationalism and they have no loyalties.

Anyway, if it's just corporations, then why are you targeting America? You didn't say corporate globalists need kicking, you said corporate America. Maybe it was just a syntax error.
If you want to complain about the UN, please be my guest any day. Or is it that America is one of the few countries not gone completely socialist or Marxist.?
And I'm not a dude, thanks.

reply to post by Swingline50022

thanks for the link to the very well-written Global Research summary article on the Bilderbergs.

umm ok sure! Maybe I need to work on getting my points across in a more harmonious way. I do want to see the Global Elite vanish from their point of power. They have built a power structure that will be very hard to break down. They have been working a very long time at it.

Originally posted by cornucopia
Immortal Technique Occupy Wall Street 2am

qik.com...

You know, I was willing to listen to that guy until he said that we need to have a democracy and not a republic. Sorry he lost me with that one statement. That is the lie of socialism talking. Maybe that's not really what he meant, because in the next statement he talked about self sustaining. He seems a very ethical person, I just worry when people attack the foundation our Founding Fathers set up. Socialists talk all the time about democracy, and I know what they mean by it.

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus

Originally posted by cornucopia
Immortal Technique Occupy Wall Street 2am

qik.com...

You know, I was willing to listen to that guy until he said that we need to have a democracy and not a republic. Sorry he lost me with that one statement. That is the lie of socialism talking. Maybe that's not really what he meant, because in the next statement he talked about self sustaining. He seems a very ethical person, I just worry when people attack the foundation our Founding Fathers set up. Socialists talk all the time about democracy, and I know what they mean by it.

edit on 30-9-2011 by ThirdEyeofHorus because: (no reason given)

Horus is in a box and he can't get out!

Everything has to be a plot, surely...

I cannot see the banks for what they are when their are socialists abound!

Originally posted by mastahunta

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus

Originally posted by cornucopia
Immortal Technique Occupy Wall Street 2am

qik.com...

You know, I was willing to listen to that guy until he said that we need to have a democracy and not a republic. Sorry he lost me with that one statement. That is the lie of socialism talking. Maybe that's not really what he meant, because in the next statement he talked about self sustaining. He seems a very ethical person, I just worry when people attack the foundation our Founding Fathers set up. Socialists talk all the time about democracy, and I know what they mean by it.

edit on 30-9-2011 by ThirdEyeofHorus because: (no reason given)

Horus is in a box and he can't get out!

Everything has to be a plot, surely...

I cannot see the banks for what they are when their are socialists abound!

Not a HE for one thing. Did I not say I thought that guy in the vid has an ethical quality? But you see, I know the damage that has been done in the schools with programming. I analyze everything I see in the media with the same laser beam, from Hollywood flicks to the news to advertisements. Everything gets the same treatment. Then again, sometimes an apple is just an apple.

But you know, I have posted plenty on the role of Intl bankers, I just know that Soros is involved heavily in destroying currencies, and he broke the bank of England you know.... so I am sorry if my concern about who is behind this protest bothers you. I am used to looking for behind the scenes stuff. I mean this is a conspiracy site.

reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus

See, thats what Im talking about.

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
As long as you put America in back of the word corporate it is anti American to me.

Definition of the phrase Corporate America

You cant just come up with your own definition of something, just because you dont know the true meaning of it.
English is indeed not my native language, so its very frustrating for me to argue with people who just dont give a # about the correct definitons in their own language.

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
Many corporations are not even strictly American anymore, many are International [...] and they have no loyalties.
[...]
Anyway, if it's just corporations, then why are you targeting America? You didn't say corporate globalists need kicking, you said corporate America.

You even knew that "corporate" is not synonymous to "American", yet you found it easier to be offended.

You did this before with the term social democracy.
You said that any social "welfare state" is socialism and a bridge to communism, wich is false, and you call everyone who stands for any social society a "commi" and THATS just outright offending to me as a German Citizen.
We actually had a #ing communistic-regime in East-Germany for 40 years, we know exactly what it means!
You also said that the concept of a social state couldnt work and that this was "proven" in the past... yet Germany's social market economy proves you wrong, but you chose to you ignore it.

If you really want to debate something, dont jump to conclusions just to make them fit your conception of the world. Otherwise you are just wrong.

Send the Banksters a piece of your mind.....



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John H. Bryan, Presiding Director
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Gary D. Cohn, President/COO
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reply to post by Troublesome


You know if the focus of these folks was to concrete on a national campaign to nationalize the energy and central banking sectors then there might be some good coming out of this movement. People in Peoria, as in it has to play in Peoria and if it does it can play anywhere, have to understand that this movement will in the end put money in their pockets. If the U.S. Treasury for example was reaping all the profits made in the energy sector, and that translated into infrastructure projects equaling good paying hardhat jobs along with zero interest SBA loans, free medical, free higher education etc then it would play in Peoria. Right now it doesn't because there are Marxist involved with the movement. Nationalizing the macro means of productions in this country such as contracting out by the USG "oil finding and refining" is anti Marxist. the folks who organize and run these protests are Marxist, and will have nothing of it, so this movement is dead in the water.

Every time the opportunity for real change is at hand it is always snatched from the jaws of possibility by extremists.

reply to post by Zaanny


Do these protester understand things like, from your list, "John Henry Bryan, Jr. is the former CEO of the Sara Lee Corporation.

A graduate of Rhodes College in Memphis, Tennessee and Darden Graduate School of Business Administration, he is also affiliated with the French Legion of Honor, the World Economic Forum, and was a Member of the Board for Sara Lee, Goldman Sachs, General Motors, British Petroleum, and Bank One."

Again "General Motors, British petroleum"

Think Volt.

Think, market test models only taking the temp of the personal transportation vehicle market which will be nothing more than just that. Translation: public relation models to be nothing more than extreme limited editions, and to find out how much of a threat petro burning vehicles are under threat. In the end watch for natural gas turbine hybrid cars being the predominate power in passenger vehicles within the next 10 years. "Cleaner Powered Cars" will be the main selling slogan. Even with EVs the idea is to power electrical power plants with NG so both possible ends are covered in the energy delivery business.

That is, big petro always wins at the end of the day because they control the auto sector. They control banking. Banking cannot function without petro capital, and auto manufacturers rely on banks to stay in business. That is the reality equation.

Nationalize the energy sector, and then we will all have a chance as the poor and middle classes of winning this thing.

MSM will ignore or slam any protest that threatens the luxury market. That is advertising dollar. This is why MSM round table "discussions" are bent toward the upper class and status quo. MSNBC has started to cater to the revolutionaries, but still has high end product in ads. Perhaps they are going for the yuppies who want to relive their youth.

reply to post by gentledissident


Think GE, carbon credits. MSNBC, a NBC property, has a parent company that wants to sack central banking, that's energy dollars, with a Cap & Trade scheme. They think promoting a class warfare movement in this country can have piggybacked on it a crusade to end so called man made global warming. So don't kid yourself that MSNBC promotional class warfare coverage is all about selling Escalades and Navigators to old hippies.

reply to post by LilDudeissocool

I believe in cap but not trade. We need to go green. I don't know if man made global warming is real, but I do know pollution is.

Was just listening to coverage of the protests and several comments from actual protesters made me realize that it's scary how many people are supporting this movement and whether or not people are paying attention to at least some of these "demands" or are merely jumping on the bandwagon of "excitement" and something to do to vent anger.

Anger is justified. The government has squandered our money, spent recklessly, taken our homes, paid billions to banks that in turn screwed the general public, continues to print money furthering devaluing the little money we actually have left, there are no jobs, the real estate market continues to fall, Greece is on the verge of default causing the stock market to shed billions in wealth.....and on and on.

But are the protesters, at least the 10 or so they interviewed and the more than 30-40 signs I was able to read, asking for smaller government? To cut spending? To curtail bank fees? To end the mortgage crisis? To audit the Federal Reserve? To enhance government transparency? To end the war in Afghanistan? Not that I saw or heard.

Instead, this is what was said when the protesters were asked the following:

Interviewer: if a CEO came here right now, what would you say?
Protester: that they should stop paying themselves million-dollar incomes and spread the wealth to everyone.

Interviewer: if a CEO came here and offered you a job, would you take it?
Protester: no!! I will not work for some greedy CEO!!

Interviewer: what do you think is the biggest obstacle preventing job creation?
Protester: the bonuses that bank CEOs make, the bonuses that Wall Street traders make....(she listed another one I didn't catch). I want Wall Street to know that we could all be prosperous if they weren't so greedy. They need to share the wealth so that we can all afford to live well.


Wait.... what?? They may as well put up signs that say: Socialism is the answer!

I am beginning to see the ramifications of an entire generation that feels they are entitled to a way of life. I got my college degree....so where is my McMansion and million dollars? Why should you make $2M per year while I work at Wal-mart? Why should you dive a Lexus while I have a Hyundai?

There are plenty of problems to protest. Had any one of the protesters said "why is the CEO getting a bonus to lay off 20k workers" or "why are we paying twice for the banks to remain solvent -via government bailouts AND increased fees....", I would have been onboard.

Can someone please tell me I am wrong and that we are not pushing for socialism as a solution??

Originally posted by lpowell0627
They may as well put up signs that say: Socialism is the answer!

Yes, then I would be more supportive.

reply to post by lpowell0627


I would say you are very astute

Reading your post gives me hope, thank you

I am fully in support of the actions, in the USA and here in the UK. We have setup our own community as Facebook was deleting posts from groups and pages.

www.occupybritain.co.uk... is the social netwrok for the 99% all are welcome to offer support and advice.

IMHO we need to scrap words like capitalism, socialism, democracy etc... and look towards a unified system based on our mistakes. Yes it is easy to say, but without the catalyst there will be no reaction

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I think protests don't work in this country because they get selective attention. Look at the tea party protests. They are neither "average Americans," as they like to portray themselves, nor trailer-park "Deliverance" throwbacks, as their detractors would have us believe,Tea Party supporters are wealthier and more well-educated than the general public, and are no more or less afraid of falling into a lower socioeconomic class. The Tea Party's pictures and sound bites are so good, no one cares that their math doesn't add up: Cut taxes and the deficit but keep your hands off my Medicare; do something about jobs but don't increase spending. In contrast, an equal size if not greatly larger immigration or environmental protest comes out and it gets no attention at all. Plus, no reports of mass arrests during the Tea party protest. I'm beginning to wonder whether the right to assemble is effectively dead in the US. No one who is a wage slave (which is the overwhelming majority of the population) can afford to have an arrest record, even a misdemeanor, in this age of short job tenures and rising use of background checks.