Why i love Jesus. Why Jesus is love.

reply to post by NewAgeMan


Careful my friend...

Though it is true you are free to love, its also true that are you are free to chose who you love...

The path of judgement is a slippery path, in which most usually stumble

reply to post by NewAgeMan

there are hearers and there are doers
The concept of "believers" may be one to drop

Let me present a metaphor for those who chose to hear...

Think of a narrow path or a sidewalk if you will... On both sides of this sidewalk there is a bottomless pit. There are rocks and stones on the path and if you're not very careful you can easily fall off of this path... Now also on the sides of this path are vines that stretch deep into the bottomless pit... If you happen to fall off of that path, and you are strong enough... you could grab a hold of one of these vines, and climb back on to the path. The stones on the path are judgement, and the vines are the truth of love... If you are strong in love, when you stumble you can easily grab hold of the vines and pull yourself back onto the path... If you do not have love you are weak and you will fall deeper and deeper into the pit once you stumble.

Love is your strength, and judgement only weakens you. Each time you stumble on the rocks of judgement, you create a belief in your mind, or even an opinion of something or someone. The rocks weaken your arms each time you fall, so it only gets harder each time you stumble...

The key to strenghening your arms is forgiveness... which takes love

Please let those who hear and see.... understand

reply to post by Akragon


Ah, but who is my neighbor, and who is the most difficult to love?

Originally posted by NewAgeMan
reply to post by Akragon

 

Ah, but who is my neighbor, and who is the most difficult to love?

Everyone is your neighbour... and those that are most difficult to love are those that dislike you, those who you might consider ememies. This is why the path is narrow, and few that see the path can follow... including myself.

I know i am not perfect, i struggle with this lesson that Jesus taught. If someone strikes me, or attacks me... they best be a better fighter then me... I can not turn the other cheek as he taught... though i am trying, i know i have much to learn.

reply to post by jmdewey60


Yes, but it all starts with belief, and belief comes by hearing, and then finally, knowledge and experience comes by testing our faith where the rubber hits the road, in our being and doing, and thus in our being and becoming, and then of course it's no longer "faith" or "belief", but the knowledge of experience, and the sheer joy of having at last found the buried treasure after much seeking.

reply to post by NewAgeMan


Well said my friend

reply to post by Akragon


I believe in reincarnation. The reason I do is because I can remember some of my past lives, the good life ones and ones where I was not so nice.

I was raised Pentecostal and left as soon as I could. What brought me to seek out the "Christ" consciousness was a memory litterally "revealed" to me.

I was a young woman of pretty low status, and I was amazed that I, a woman, was openly invited and welcome to an assembly to listen to a man speak. I remember siting on the banks of the Dead Sea listening in awe of this man who spoke so profoundly of the secret things only holy men were allowed to know, in so simple a way, that I, a lowly woman could understand.

He was explaining how all men and women have a natural place in gods creation, just as the colors of the rainbow are seperate and in their place. He spoke of how the order of the universe is divine and we all perfect. There is no good or evil, that in god's world its all part of God's color palate.

He told us that we had many life times to reach this "Christ" conscienceness and gods time is not man's time. I believe that as we, as individuals, naturally strive to attain "Christ" conscienceness, and by divine law we automatically raise the conscienceness of the mankiind. When humanity arrives and is "there", that is the victory and return of the "Christ." Not one is "saved" until all are saved.

(Don't flame me bro!)

Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by NOTurTypical

 

Sure, that's called "sanctification", it's a great process of growing in our grace and knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ, but it's not the entire covenant. By our faith in Christ and what He did for us we are saved. Christ's death "appeased" God's wrath and judgment of sin. And not just "our" sins, but the sins of the entire world. Sure, people can reject that sacrifice, reject Him as Lord. But it's certainly not because He was not an all sufficient Savior.

The purpose of the New Covenant is to become righteous so as to be justified. That is it in its entirety.
Outside of becoming righteous, it is completely useless. there is no provision in the New Covenant for salvation outside of that righteousness that comes from the mechanism of the Holy Spirit which Paul calls, Faith, which is the guiding into righteousness.

But I think it's pretty silly to suggest that we can be righteous without the indwelling of the Holy Spirit? The carnal, natural man wants nothing to do with the Spirit. Our spirits are re-born, the OT saying for that was we are "given a new heart"

Which happens in this lifetime, or not at all.

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What does the Word say? When does it say we are given the Holy Spirit.

reply to post by windword


I do not flame people... though i can get a little cocky when i see foolishness.... though that is not what im seeing here at all...

I believe you completely, who am i to say you didn't experience what you say. If you did not, you're only lying to yourself.

I wish i remembered my past lives, sadly i do not. But we are given what we are meant to see, some dismiss what they are given... some chose to cherish it.

Be love my friend

Originally posted by NewAgeMan
reply to post by Akragon

 

Yes. I agree with that, or is it utter blasphemy to be a Christian and believe in reincarnation? I don't think so.

If it is, then don't identify as Christian. I no longer do. Problem solved.

I have come to believe that the truth is larger than any single religious system. I self-identify as Hindu (although not even that, completely) now if anything, because I've come to believe that that system is probably closer to the reality than any other.

Jesus' role for me at this point is as the primary giver of the Law. As someone who also self-identifies as an anarchist, that is important. My attitude fundamentally is, that the moral law that Jesus described, is all that is really necessary; and that anything that exists in addition to that, which is upheld by governments, is really a legal fiction maintained by their monopoly on force.

I do not believe that governments have moral legitimacy. I believe that their only legitimacy comes from the fact that they can kill me if I attempt to disobey them; but that in itself is not a morally legitimate form of power. As Paul wrote, against the fruits of the Spirit, there is no law.

reply to post by windword

Anyone who.would flame you would have to flame me too.

reply to post by Akragon


I don't see you as a flame thrower at all. That was a plea to all ATSer's who may feel the urge.

reply to post by petrus4


As a Hindu, you would know of the love of Bhakti, and therefore you would understand the love of Christ, and the character and person of Jesus himself.

reply to post by NewAgeMan


hell is a real place
heaven is a real place
eternity is real
jesus is the only way
the only one who conquered Death
and walked out of hell with the keys
for us all.
praise to the Creator.....

reply to post by theviruskennewick


Yes, but do you love him?

reply to post by NOTurTypical

What does the Word say? When does it say we are given the Holy Spirit.

Jesus answered and said unto her, If thou knewest the gift of God, and who it is that saith to thee, Give me to drink; thou wouldest have asked of him, and he would have given thee living water.

The spirit is love as is God, and his son who taught the path of love... and set the example.

But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.

Pardon my cherry picking but that was a hard one to find

And im still looking actually, i know i had a great quote for you....but i can't find it.

reply to post by Akragon


That was an awesome metaphor. God bless you. You "grok".

It was for posts like yours that this thread was created.

reply to post by NewAgeMan


thank you my friend, it was an original actually... it just came to me today for some reason. Search for it all you like if you do not believe me

I only hope that anyone who reads it understands

reply to post by Akragon


Oh it's easy to understand, and I did have the impression that it was spirit led.

You have certainly helped someone today.

Thank you for your contribution to this thread.

People are smart. I have faith in them.